Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #19

[PCS]

Sleuthjustice,

Thank you for your post. I'm unable to Reply with Quote or paste. It has crossed my mind that SS perhaps might be at KK, but when I've mentioned the theory on WS, other posters have advised otherwise. It's an interesting theory and an extra body wouldn't be found until the grave was opened for another family member or the expiry date was reached.

The cemetery didn't have much security, is open at nights, unlocked gates and accessible by vehicle. I think it would be possible for a fit & strong person to slot someone alongside another person. It would just be a matter of selecting a pre-dug hole which was easy enough to climb back out of - probably wouldn't be easy getting back up again.

Also, the KK cemetery is very isolated and the odour probably wouldn't be questioned. JMO

That was a scene in Dexter box set I believe. :/

 

[meticulously]

The KK victim was reportedly left for dead.
Now if the accused thought she was dead and just walked off. Rsbm

Also PeteDavo she was "released" in another report .
Quote :
"The young woman had left Club Bay View shortly after midnight and was*walking to a friend's house when she was abducted, taken to the cemetery, raped and Released,*The Post*reported."

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/c...vestigate-1995-rape-lead-20151016-gkaq8i.html

 

[PCS]

Since BRE didn't do all the abductions in Claremont. Then who did? The chick in Davies lane. Coles loading dock. Princess rd.? Screaming to be let in is a sure sign of worry. IMO SS is in/near wetlands. Jut imo, a guess.

 

[janwa]

Also PeteDavo she was "released" in another report .
Quote :
"The young woman had left Club Bay View shortly after midnight and was*walking to a friend's house when she was abducted, taken to the cemetery, raped and Released,*The Post*reported."

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/c...vestigate-1995-rape-lead-20151016-gkaq8i.html

The Post has reported police have forensic evidence linking Ciara Glennon's killer with a rapist who abducted a 17-year-old woman from a Claremont street then raped her in Karrakatta Cemetery in 1995.

The fact that these 2 events were found to have been linked in 2015 had gone completely over my head. Was the alleged unknown (at that time) POI smugly laughing to himself or waiting for the knock on the door.

 

[Mo Joe]

I thought I would google Romuald Zac to see if there was anything new. And there was! A month ago there was a discussion on another site (which I probably can't name but if you put your boots on and go looking I'm sure it will be easy to find).

Apparently there was a witness named 'silence' who saw something and sent an email?

 

[Canning Vale]

Sleusejustice,

Regarding post #260 in regard to serial killers and serial rapists - and us finding patterns. I'll be researching and uploading information on that topic. At the moment, I'm unable to reply with quote, cut and paste, or paste links.

Also, I thought about Ted Bundy who was considered America's most dangerous SK. Bundy was two types of SK, which caused confusion for USA profilers (will locate article and provide link). I wonder if the circumstances were similar with catching the CSK - perhaps two different profiles.

My thoughts are the CSK evolved from peeping tom, prowler, rapist to killing. I've also considered necrophilia - ie cemetery rape - the enjoyment of being around death - KK cemetery has a horrid, lingering odour.

These are only my thoughts and opinions

 

[Sleuthjustice]

Canning Vale,
The reason I ask is because I wonder if the killing was just about not being identified as opposed to perverted pleasure. I just read a dissertation looking at serial killers including sexually motivated, serial rapists and violent offenders. I think CSK is anger type not sadistic but I don't think I can share article as I obtained from uni online journal article. Doesn't appear to be any identified significant differences between types of offenders. Although, if he were predominantly a serial rapist, post death wouldn't be that significant. Just a need to get rid of the body without being caught. It could also mean that as long as he is able to rape, how he does could vary a great deal (blitz, lure, on the spot). If BRE is found guilty I would say he is narcissistic, therefore reputation is everything and murders were more about maintaining reputation in society, than anything else. Otherwise you would expect something in schooling history. JMO

 

[Sleuthjustice]

Canning Vale,
I also think he evolved in the ways you outlined but that the killing was not for pleasure, just a way of minimising the risk of being identified. He went to great lengths to hide himself with KK victim. He really did not want to be identified JMO.

 

[no name]

I thought I would google Romuald Zac to see if there was anything new. And there was! A month ago there was a discussion on another site (which I probably can't name but if you put your boots on and go looking I'm sure it will be easy to find).

Apparently there was a witness named 'silence' who saw something and sent an email?

Are you speaking of a new recent email by silence? If not, the email you refer to was written almost 18yrs ago & hasn't been a secret afaik.

 

[petedavo.au]

Since BRE didn't do all the abductions in Claremont. Then who did? The chick in Davies lane. Coles loading dock. Princess rd.? Screaming to be let in is a sure sign of worry. IMO SS is in/near wetlands. Jut imo, a guess.

The Claremont subway Girl. 2 perps.

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[Annalise]

As we know from the accused’s Facebook page his profile picture was Yoda with David Hasselhoff. It would seem the accused was a star wars fan and he must have liked the actor David Hasselhoff. I saw this video of David Hasselhoff singing and wondered if the accused may have enjoyed it. It was brought out in 2006. MOO


https://youtu.be/dm7jEA3frY4

 

[Canning Vale]

Regarding Theodore Robert "Ted" Bundy an Amrican Serial Killer - active USA - 1970s

Bundy has been described as being a SK type of Power/Control and Lust killer.

https://www.quora.com/What-type-of-serial-killer-was-Ted-Bundy

 

[petedavo.au]

Canning Vale,
The reason I ask is because I wonder if the killing was just about not being identified as opposed to perverted pleasure. I just read a dissertation looking at serial killers including sexually motivated, serial rapists and violent offenders. I think CSK is anger type not sadistic but I don't think I can share article as I obtained from uni online journal article. Doesn't appear to be any identified significant differences between types of offenders. Although, if he were predominantly a serial rapist, post death wouldn't be that significant. Just a need to get rid of the body without being caught. It could also mean that as long as he is able to rape, how he does could vary a great deal (blitz, lure, on the spot). If BRE is found guilty I would say he is narcissistic, therefore reputation is everything and murders were more about maintaining reputation in society, than anything else. Otherwise you would expect something in schooling history. JMO

An alternative possibility, if the girl that had her skirt ripped off and head bashed against the wall near HJ's Claremont, is related to the same perp, could be that the killings are a by product of rage against those victims fighting back and not complying. Fingernail scrapings might answer that question as if the perp's skin is under those fingernails. Just a thought.

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[Canning Vale]

Regarding post #260 - finding patterns of SKs and serial rapists. Pages 68 to 70 should provide some answers.

The link provided below will need to be copied and pasted into the web address area (top LHS). i.e. right mouse copy shortcut.

https://books.google.com.au/books?id=eoqgC7

 

[Canning Vale]

I'm having lots of problems with my P.C. and will be off Websleuths until further notice.

To those of you who celebrate Christmas, please have a Merry Christmas and safe New Year's.

For those who don't celebrate Christmas, please take care and have a safe New Year's.

Many thanks for your posts and time. Kindest regards CV

 

[Canning Vale]

Final post for 2017..

In response to post #260 – Serial Killer and Serial Rapist – finding patterns and similarities.

Below is a link to an on-line book. In summary, of pages 68, 69 & 70….

It’s usual for both the serial rapist (SR) and serial Killer(SK) to share the Antisocial Personality Disorder and basic to both is psychopathy.

Serial Rapists can be likened to Lust Serial Killers. Both fuelled by highly, deviant fantasies, extremely obsessive,compulsive and programmed, with a strong compulsion to control and humiliate their victim. A serial rapist humiliates through their coercive sexual, acting out and once a victim acts out and fightsback, the serial rapist becomes a lust killer.

The SR and SK share similarities within their character, aswell as feelings to have control or power over someone. The serial rapist often hides his identity, such as wearing a ski mask, and may wear gloves or carry a weapon. It’s his belief he can sexually dispose of others at will, often in a sadistic manner.

They both appreciate the notoriety received after an attack.

https://books.google.com.au/books?id=eoqgC7_NG9cC&pg=PA69&lpg=PA69&dq=%22serial+killer%22+%22serial+rapist%22+profiling+similarities&source=bl&ots=QuObaFE4Pn&sig=ddqM3t5NpFz1d9vCa7cX3UtNa0w&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjF4Pqp8p_YAhUCTrwKHbqEB6YQ6AEIYDAI#v=onepage&q=%22serial%20killer%22%20%22serial%20rapist%22%20profiling%20similarities&f=false

Further reading….

https://authorjenniferchase.com/201...es-between-serial-killers-and-serial-rapists/

 

[no name]

The fact that these 2 events were found to have been linked in 2015 had gone completely over my head. Was the alleged unknown (at that time) POI smugly laughing to himself or waiting for the knock on the door

I wish we knew or it was likely that we may find out at least, but I doubt it.
After so much time passing, I doubt he was afraid of his shadow, but seeing you only needed to pick up a newspaper to see the amount of historical cases that were being solved with advances in technology, logic says he must have begun looking over his shoulder at least. Then again, the thoughts of an alleged rapist/murdered is probably anything but logical to the rest of us so perhaps smug arrogance prevailed until it slapped him in the face. Personally, I think he'd have been freaking the f out unless he'd completely disassociated himself mentally.
Nevertheless.. so many questions pertaining to the timing of the link particularly.
If it turns out that the accused is found guilty as charged, based on what we know of his situation at the time of the murders & the reasonable speculation that it may have been the breakdown of a previous relationship that was the catalyst for them, you cant help wonder what might have been had it not been made public at such time that he found himself in the same position again.
Was it just darn good luck that the link was made public at the ultimate time to deter repeat behaviour? Was he waiting for the knock at the door?
Or ...is the reality that history was in fact repeated? Could there be an entire new chapter, or chapters yet to be revealed, if at all? Was he smugly laughing for more reasons than we imagine now?
I shudder to think about it, yet, I cant ignore it but I know it cant be answered here and now & nor by us either.
So, another thing filed in the memory bank & continue on quietly searching while hoping for answers we may never get i guess.

 

[no name]

The Claremont subway Girl. 2 perps.

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Swanbourne railway station too? How does one person subdue 2 girls at once easily & quickly enough to be successful?

 

[no name]

Canning Vale,
I also think he evolved in the ways you outlined but that the killing was not for pleasure, just a way of minimising the risk of being identified. He went to great lengths to hide himself with KK victim. He really did not want to be identified JMO.

Its entirely possible that you are correct about his motives for murder, but I just cant even fathom someone going to such extremes of killing, several time, purely as insurance to avoid being identified for a rape but without getting anything more out of it. It seems far too gruesome & extreme to me. Then again, the victim couldnt understand why she was left alive either.
Whilst he may not have wanted to be Id'd in this case, its not out of the realm of possibility that she can & perhaps will positively ID him too. She had a good idea of his height and she stated he had brown collar length hair so maybe he was seen clearly. Perhaps it was the 3 subsequent murders that influenced the change of story by the media to "she didn't see anything" to protect her. Although the cops in charge didnt see the connection, not all felt that way & the "official story" thereafter was changed at someone's request obviously.

 

[Sleuthjustice]

Its entirely possible that you are correct about his motives for murder, but I just cant even fathom someone going to such extremes of killing, several time, purely as insurance to avoid being identified for a rape but without getting anything more out of it. It seems far too gruesome & extreme to me. Then again, the victim couldnt understand why she was left alive either.
Whilst he may not have wanted to be Id'd in this case, its not out of the realm of possibility that she can & perhaps will positively ID him too. She had a good idea of his height and she stated he had brown collar length hair so maybe he was seen clearly. Perhaps it was the 3 subsequent murders that influenced the change of story by the media to "she didn't see anything" to protect her. Although the cops in charge didnt see the connection, not all felt that way & the "official story" thereafter was changed at someone's request obviously.

I can't fathom this either but then we are not serial rapists (serial lust killers). If KK was his first victim (meant to be killed) then he may have backed out because once he had raped, he got what he wanted (though he would have been well aware of the risks of releasing her and also the initial risk of dragging her that distance to the car, and not being seen). If he decided to change how he abducted victims (blitz to lure) he would have needed to follow through with murder. Perhaps it is the change of the way of abducting that has driven the need to kill. If so, it would rule out JK, KT and others pre KK who were killed (but not the ones who were raped). I also think victim's fear turns him on and assertiveness intimidates him and makes him angry. May explain things if CG was not sexually assaulted. If BRE is the CSK, I don't think he stood up to his first wife. Bet she was assertive and his anger repressed. JMO