Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #19

[Sleuthjustice]

The idea of a blitz attack seems so unlikely to me but I do know of some friends who were chased by a white van back in December 1994 (Canning Hwy, Como) at 3 am and that van came at them on the wrong side of the road so the driver was on the footpath side where they were. They were 16 and it was a few weeks before KK.

 

[tapdancingbear]

In a previous post I mentioned a rehab clinic and a car being seen the night JR disappeared ,I have had to conform something with the person who related this story to me , hence the delay
I am not implying this has anything do with JR , It may be a coincidence

It was the car headlights that were seen more than the car itself , the car parked with the headlights on , it was early morning , but still dark , and the 2 people who saw it say they could see two people walking back and forwards in the head lights ... they assumed they were men , but for no valid reason

 

[Sleuthjustice]

In a previous post I mentioned a rehab clinic and a car being seen the night JR disappeared ,I have had to conform something with the person who related this story to me , hence the delay
I am not implying this has anything do with JR , It may be a coincidence

It was the car headlights that were seen more than the car itself , the car parked with the headlights on , it was early morning , but still dark , and the 2 people who saw it say they could see two people walking back and forwards in the head lights ... they assumed they were men , but for no valid reason

A crop?

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[Siriusportal]

In a previous post I mentioned a rehab clinic and a car being seen the night JR disappeared ,I have had to conform something with the person who related this story to me , hence the delay
I am not implying this has anything do with JR , It may be a coincidence

It was the car headlights that were seen more than the car itself , the car parked with the headlights on , it was early morning , but still dark , and the 2 people who saw it say they could see two people walking back and forwards in the head lights ... they assumed they were men , but for no valid reason

Im with you here. I believe it was more than one person and have found myself wondering if BRE has ever been referred to as binks.

 

[Sleuthjustice]

Im with you here. I believe it was more than one person and have found myself wondering if BRE has ever been referred to as binks.

Hmmmm, long weekend. Maybe it was more about this suiting the other person involved (if there was one), and less about BRE. For example, if they lived away from Perth, maybe they visited Perth on long weekends and stayed at holiday house together. Fishing during day, stalking at night?

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[Siriusportal]

Tdb - could JR’s body been at the dump site for 54 days before being found? It seems odd to me because the dump site was near the road and horse riders used the same area daily. I just can’t help but think she was alive and kept somewhere for weeks before he killed her. MOO

My personal opinion is the girls were kept alive until a certain date that went with the agenda of the killers.

 

[Siriusportal]

Hmmmm, long weekend. Maybe it was more about this suiting the other person involved (if there was one), and less about BRE. For example, if they lived away from Perth, maybe they visited Perth on long weekends and stayed at holiday house together. Fishing during day, stalking at night?

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Yes I appreciate your input here and pick up what youre putting down. Yachts are good fishing platforms and large teepees awesome holiday homes.

 

[Sleuthjustice]

Yes I appreciate your input here and pick up what youre putting down. Yachts are good fishing platforms and large teepees awesome holiday homes.

Yep

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[tapdancingbear]

I may as well add what I think in regards to some other matters that are often raised here , similar crimes etc
Some may relate to BRE but I doubt it , he does not seem to have been careful re DNA , maybe at that time he did not consider it an issue , I think it was a relatively new field then

But I do believe there are a lot of related crimes from the time period , just not related to BRE

I have said previously that my purpose for looking at this forum is not in regards to a CSK , I dont believe there is one , but to other crimes that have at various times been linked together with the CSK matter

I have an agenda that I know from previous times on this site people do not approve of , I prefer to take a more hands on approach to get information that people would not approve of , but I get results that I will not get from a keyboard , I have learnt a lot more away from a computer than on it
These matters are not relevant to the CSK site so I will not waste time on them here... the only relevance being they keep being raised ... if people wish to look at unsolved crime from the period disassociate them from the CSK thing , you will learn a lot more a lot faster

 

[Siriusportal]

I may as well add what I think in regards to some other matters that are often raised here , similar crimes etc
Some may relate to BRE but I doubt it , he does not seem to have been careful re DNA , maybe at that time he did not consider it an issue , I think it was a relatively new field then

But I do believe there are a lot of related crimes from the time period , just not related to BRE

I have said previously that my purpose for looking at this forum is not in regards to a CSK , I dont believe there is one , but to other crimes that have at various times been linked together with the CSK matter

I have an agenda that I know from previous times on this site people do not approve of , I prefer to take a more hands on approach to get information that people would not approve of , but I get results that I will not get from a keyboard , I have learnt a lot more away from a computer than on it
These matters are not relevant to the CSK site so I will not waste time on them here... the only relevance being they keep being raised ... if people wish to look at unsolved crime from the period disassociate them from the CSK thing , you will learn a lot more a lot faster

Fair call. Some really aweful stuff going on at the time and some terrible crimes. Im going to stick with my own perspective on csk crimes and speculate that BRE is part of a larger group committing ritual murder for a very specific reason. The reason i say this openly is that those involved would know about any surviellance and it isnt going to change matters much. There are alias's and names as anagrams all through this CSK thread. Thats just one tiny facet. I think the reality and scope of it all is going to make cases like "Zodiac" miniscule in comparison.

 

[tapdancingbear]

Fair call. Some really aweful stuff going on at the time and some terrible crimes. Im going to stick with my own perspective on csk crimes and speculate that BRE is part of a larger group committing ritual murder for a very specific reason. The reason i say this openly is that those involved would know about any surviellance and it isnt going to change matters much. There are alias's and names as anagrams all through this CSK thread. Thats just one tiny facet. I think the reality and scope of it all is going to make cases like "Zodiac" miniscule in comparison.

In the things I am looking into it often comes up about a group working together , ive always considered it as a group thing ... the ritual killing I have not come across before , but its not something I could rule out ... the alias and anagrams ... everyone here is under an alias , some go for names that romanticise things , others to suggest detective skills they do not have ... But to support your version of things , when I became aware of this site I read everything that had been posted ... There have been people here saying things in round about ways to see who picked up on it , ive done it myself ...There have been people who have known things they could only know if they were involved in the matter , or told about it by people involved

Ive take the view these people are on fishing expedition to see who they can reel in , but in future I will take more notice of names used , you may be spot on , it makes sense really , someone waving it under your nose and you don't know it
May even go back to the start myself and look at things from this angle

 

[Annalise]

Welcome back Billywhizz and Siriusportal. How did both of you guys feel when BRE was arrested? Reading old posts it was SR and JM who were poi. You guys did a lot of sleuthing a few years back and came up with heaps of theories (well done) BRE seemed to surprise everyone (if he is guilty that is). MOO

 

[no name]

Although we gather here under the CSK banner & no doubt there are some who do believe the case of the CSK, as its been told, could be wrapped up just as soon as he tells us where SS is.. we dont all subscribe to that notion at all.
Similarly, many of us havent laid our thoughts out for all to see, but by omission it cant be assumed that we trust in the reliability of everything we're now being told either.
Personally, I place zero weight in 'term' CSK whether there is in fact a CSK or a SK or a group of CSKs/SKs or not at all. Nor do I care for the validity of any label that is/has or may be attributed to BRE. That may effect him, the academics or his family, but is of no importance or consequence to me at all.
I know people outside any forum who believe there are 3 victims of CSK, but I also know others who have similar opinions to the two reflected recently.
I think the fact the person who is currently accused has only been charged with 2 of the 3 murders typically associated with "The CSK", it allows us to continue to discuss all the incidences before/after 96-97 & including any theories, all under the guise of CSK, but with the understanding its possible that any, all or perhaps none might actually be connected to him, or with each other or there might be no association between anything at all.

 

[Sleuthjustice]

Although we gather here under the CSK banner & no doubt there are some who do believe the case of the CSK, as its been told, could be wrapped up just as soon as he tells us where SS is.. we dont all subscribe to that notion at all.
Similarly, many of us havent laid our thoughts out for all to see, but by omission it cant be assumed that we trust in the reliability of everything we're now being told either.
Personally, I place zero weight in 'term' CSK whether there is in fact a CSK or a SK or a group of CSKs/SKs or not at all. Nor do I care for the validity of any label that is/has or may be attributed to BRE. That may effect him, the academics or his family, but is of no importance or consequence to me at all.
I know people outside any forum who believe there are 3 victims of CSK, but I also know others who have similar opinions to the two reflected recently.
I think the fact the person who is currently accused has only been charged with 2 of the 3 murders typically associated with "The CSK", it allows us to continue to discuss all the incidences before/after 96-97 & including any theories, all under the guise of CSK, but with the understanding its possible that any, all or perhaps none might actually be connected to him, or with each other or there might be no association between anything at all.

In terms of victims, there are also the previous suspects who fall into that category. Their lives have been ruined.

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[Siriusportal]

Welcome back Billywhizz and Siriusportal. How did both of you guys feel when BRE was arrested? Reading old posts it was SR and JM who were poi. You guys did a lot of sleuthing a few years back and came up with heaps of theories (well done) BRE seemed to surprise everyone (if he is guilty that is). MOO

What came to my mind was could this be Binks? Or just the tip of the iceberg, the first domino to fall.

 

[petedavo.au]

The cases known to of involved 2 perps. Girl picked up in Hay St and raped. Girl picked up under Claremont subway. Maybe more that I can't recall offhand.
Means there's still perps on the loose. Maybe if the accused was 1, then 1 still on the loose. Who knows. Against WS terms to sleuth the associates of the accused I suppose, so I'll end here. For now

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[Siriusportal]

Lots of wierd angles agreed. Anyway, just popping my head in and have said all I have to say. Peace.

 

[Innerchild]

What came to my mind was could this be Binks? Or just the tip of the iceberg, the first domino to fall.

In reading what Droc wrote and summaries by Bart I thought he always said Binks was English, and kept going back and returning from there. Billy Whiz you might be able to add more?

This is part of the letter Droc wrote to the taxi driver, posted by Billywhiz (7/8/2015 post 28) http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ler-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-2/page2

...Have you spoken to Michele? Back at her old job again with the same Boss in some dingy little factory in O'Connor I believe...

...And Binks! I did hear that several years ago he crept back into the country and borrowed Peters four wheel drive. Perhaps visited Abbey 19 kl. from Brookton on his country retreat . . . and where did they get the money from for all these overseas trips and the purchase of property during and so soon after the murders? They were all on the dole were they not . . . excluding Binks who for some unknown reason took himself of the dole just before the murder of Ciara Glennon, and then sold up and returned to England. Were you making and selling snuff movies in the secret room? Is that it?...

...It’s these co-incidences that get to me. They shouldn't be there, but they are. It’s like your different stories about your movements re Ciara Glennon, they shouldn't have happened but they did. Like the green station wagon seen in the same street as Gerard Ross that fits perfectly with the description of the car Binx put through the crusher before he left for the UK, as does the description of the two males fit with yourself and Binx. And the bodies, found in areas you Binks and Balemans frequent, such as the Nangara pine plantation, and Jane Rimmer in the street that Michele was familiar with and once lived in . . . . and when you link all this up with 'threesomes' prostitution, prowling with Michele in your taxi, factory units with secret rooms . . .

19 kilometers from Brookton visited Abbey on country retreat. That can't be too hard to find. Was that Bink's? Interested where Binx can get easy access to a car crusher. Urban dictionary for Binx is a highly intelligent being, possessing extraordinary ability, person from an elite community, highly gifted. Also, isn't it an English term? IMO, binks not BRE.

Is Baleman, the surname of one of her husbands?

 

[Mo Joe]

In reading what Droc wrote and summaries by Bart I thought he always said Binks was English, and kept going back and returning from there. Billy Whiz you might be able to add more?

This is part of the letter Droc wrote to the taxi driver, posted by Billywhiz (7/8/2015 post 28) http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ler-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-2/page2

...Have you spoken to Michele? Back at her old job again with the same Boss in some dingy little factory in O'Connor I believe...

...And Binks! I did hear that several years ago he crept back into the country and borrowed Peters four wheel drive. Perhaps visited Abbey 19 kl. from Brookton on his country retreat . . . and where did they get the money from for all these overseas trips and the purchase of property during and so soon after the murders? They were all on the dole were they not . . . excluding Binks who for some unknown reason took himself of the dole just before the murder of Ciara Glennon, and then sold up and returned to England. Were you making and selling snuff movies in the secret room? Is that it?...

...It’s these co-incidences that get to me. They shouldn't be there, but they are. It’s like your different stories about your movements re Ciara Glennon, they shouldn't have happened but they did. Like the green station wagon seen in the same street as Gerard Ross that fits perfectly with the description of the car Binx put through the crusher before he left for the UK, as does the description of the two males fit with yourself and Binx. And the bodies, found in areas you Binks and Balemans frequent, such as the Nangara pine plantation, and Jane Rimmer in the street that Michele was familiar with and once lived in . . . . and when you link all this up with 'threesomes' prostitution, prowling with Michele in your taxi, factory units with secret rooms . . .

19 kilometers from Brookton visited Abbey on country retreat. That can't be too hard to find. Was that Bink's? Interested where Binx can get easy access to a car crusher. Urban dictionary for Binx is a highly intelligent being, possessing extraordinary ability, person from an elite community, highly gifted. Also, isn't it an English term? IMO, binks not BRE.

Is Baleman, the surname of one of her husbands?

Maybe Droc (or one of his acquaintances) and Michele had the same parole officer or head shrink or Doctor, and maybe Droc (or a person he knew) had the appointment time after Michele? Walls can have ears sometimes ...

 

[Innerchild]

The cases known to of involved 2 perps. Girl picked up in Hay St and raped. Girl picked up under Claremont subway. Maybe more that I can't recall offhand.
Means there's still perps on the loose. Maybe if the accused was 1, then 1 still on the loose. Who knows. Against WS terms to sleuth the associates of the accused I suppose, so I'll end here. For now

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