Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #19

[Credulious]

There was none. There were no gates or chains over the entrance to Karrakatta. You could drive in unimpeded at midnight.

He had set precedent in raping one girl in the cemetery. He could hide there overnight inside the warehouse, then take off when the sun came up.

Lets not lock onto it. I think Jane was taken south almost immediately and dumped either on the way, or on the way back from Madora based on current police information.

Agree to disagree!

Why on earth would he take the girls to a place he had no control over such as Karrakatta warehouse where security or the police might just happen to drive in at any time when he had his own house?

It's been demonstrated many times here as fact that abductees are often taken to the killers house and it is the most logical (IF they were taken to another specific location and not killed in the car) Why keep throwing random pins at a geographical dartboard when there's absolutely nothing to suggest any other location outside known properties?

The police ripped concrete up at Fountain Way, they moved the current tenants out for days with their furniture. For no reason?

Amazeballs.

Happy to move on from this, eventually we may get the answers.

The report says that certain items of clothing remain missing from the murder scenes of both the women whose bodies have been found, Jane Rimmer and Ciara Glennon.

It says police are convinced both women were killed close to where they were abducted, and on the same nights that they were abducted.

They were not murdered where they were found.

http://www.australianmissingpersonsregister.com/JulieCutler.htm

 

[Credulious]

The new tenant of the Karrakatta warehouse found jewellery on the floor in what look like an apparent scuffle.

There was a book full of electronics diagrams, which appeared to be some sort of educational or reference.

Probably nothing, but its opposite the cemetery where there was a previous incident, and a 100 metres from Jane Rimmers workplace.

Had Jane seen/met him on Government road prior?.

 

[Canning Vale]

The 1988 Huntingdale incident was in the paper – showing the Kimo. Although I worked within very close proximity I wasn’t made aware it had occurred – until Jan 2017. In 1988, if there was a police doorknock it wasn’t very widespread.

Back in 1987– when we lived in Huntingdale (eastern side). I recall one of the local residents warning me to lock-up and shut the curtains because there’s a prowler hanging around – I think a peeping tom. We were aware of underwear being stolen too.

1985 – I was aware there was a problem teenager in the area. During the week my husband worked away. At nights I stayed in my toddler’s room and would push furniture in front of the bedroom door - so no one could enter – I remember being nervous.

The Comment News articles of 1985 and 1986 revealed that the crime within City of Gosnells area had increased and there was talk of implementing the Crime Watch. There were also two display homes burnt/gutted in Forest Lakes, Thornlie. The Richard Rushton Community Centre in Gosnells sustained umpteen incidents of vandalism –shutting it to undertake repairs. There were no local incidents of animal cruelty – two incidents occurred in suburbs much further away.

Does anyone recal any details about the Gosnells High School gym fire and the date? Did WAPOL have a suspect?

I’m not suggesting the accused was responsible for any of the above – just making people aware of what was happening during the mid to late 1980s.

 

[Pandit]

It's my understanding that when the Karrakatta rape occurred Esuiw was on the cusp of leaving the house or thereabouts before she actually moved right out, in 1995 she was still registered at the address at Fountain Way. The house may not have been free at that time.

There is an alleged precedent at Karrakatta for rape where the victim survived, in 1995. It's a whole other level, a different set of circumstances and events with the other three who were murdered, 1996 and 1997. He stepped it up to the worst, most serious of crimes.

EDIT: Linking the amazing coincidence that the abduction and murder of women stopped when Fountain Way was sold and he moved into his parents house. That may be because his parents influence had a stabilising effect but it cannot be denied, given the charges that no more girls were taken from Claremont and murdered AFTER he moved out of that house.

There was none. There were no gates or chains over the entrance to Karrakatta. You could drive in unimpeded at midnight.

He had set precedent in raping one girl in the cemetery. He could hide there overnight inside the warehouse, then take off when the sun came up.

Lets not lock onto it. I think Jane was taken south almost immediately and dumped either on the way, or on the way back from Madora based on current police information.



The report says that certain items of clothing remain missing from the murder scenes of both the women whose bodies have been found, Jane Rimmer and Ciara Glennon.

It says police are convinced both women were killed close to where they were abducted, and on the same nights that they were abducted.

They were not murdered where they were found.

http://www.australianmissingpersonsregister.com/JulieCutler.htm

 

[Eaglette]

Facts are; There were numerous attacks South of the River. There were umpteen break-ins at my own house. Criminal activity happened everywhere. It was hard to keep up with the plethora of terrible rapes/murders/missing women. This article below gives an insight into 1 known attack at Burswood; which was foiled by 2 business men in the very dark car park near the Causeway. The repeat offender perp used his own car - so no need for a "holding place" for the poor victim. His other MO were attacks after soccer training on certain nights on bush pathways etc.

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wa...y-with-it-ng-5032483fc0dabaf16b92e7c95afbf6bf

Applying this to the CSK case..............So after the Stirling Hwy abductions...... nearby is Karrakatta Cemetery (nearby buildings and alleyways) - it is very isolated - even the Claremont Showgrounds at night is isolated - Kings Park too. There are multiple ways in and out and Claremont back streets aren't very well lit - Once you are off Stirling Hwy all roads intersect - you could find a dozen ways along back streets to avoid detection and get off Stirling Hwy.

<modsnip>

 

[Credulious]

Standard procedure for police to check any properties for trophies or evidence. The police have eliminated the fact there is any evidence remaining there.

I'm not really in disagreence with you. Certainly not in its entirety.

Just discussing it appears that there appears no roller doors. There may not have been a patio either in 1996/1997.

Agree to disagree!

Why on earth would he take the girls to a place he had no control over such as Karrakatta warehouse where security or the police might just happen to drive in at any time when he had his own house?

It's been demonstrated many times here as fact that abductees are often taken to the killers house and it is the most logical (IF they were taken to another specific location and not killed in the car) Why keep throwing random pins at a geographical dartboard when there's absolutely nothing to suggest any other location outside known properties?

The police ripped concrete up at Fountain Way, they moved the current tenants out for days with their furniture. For no reason?

Amazeballs.

Happy to move on from this, eventually we may get the answers.

 

[TheSecondLaw]

If there's any possibility that the warehouse is connected as a potential crime scene to the CSK case, it's not beyond the realm of possibility that things retrievable as evidence could be unintentionally left behind. Was there ever any further connection made to the warehouse?

 

[Credulious]

This is a very similar to the Cooke era in Claremont/Mosman Park

Many people had few assets. Nothing was worth stealing. They would leave their windows and doors open. Cookes terror changed that.

The 1988 Huntingdale incident was in the paper &#8211; showing the Kimo. Although I worked within very close proximity I wasn&#8217;t made aware it had occurred &#8211; until Jan 2017. In 1988, if there was a police doorknock it wasn&#8217;t very widespread.

Back in 1987&#8211; when we lived in Huntingdale (eastern side). I recall one of the local residents warning me to lock-up and shut the curtains because there&#8217;s a prowler hanging around &#8211; I think a peeping tom. We were aware of underwear being stolen too.

1985 &#8211; I was aware there was a problem teenager in the area. During the week my husband worked away. At nights I stayed in my toddler&#8217;s room and would push furniture in front of the bedroom door - so no one could enter &#8211; I remember being nervous.

The Comment News articles of 1985 and 1986 revealed that the crime within City of Gosnells area had increased and there was talk of implementing the Crime Watch. There were also two display homes burnt/gutted in Forest Lakes, Thornlie. The Richard Rushton Community Centre in Gosnells sustained umpteen incidents of vandalism &#8211;shutting it to undertake repairs. There were no local incidents of animal cruelty &#8211; two incidents occurred in suburbs much further away.

Does anyone recal any details about the Gosnells High School gym fire and the date? Did WAPOL have a suspect?

I&#8217;m not suggesting the accused was responsible for any of the above &#8211; just making people aware of what was happening during the mid to late 1980s.

 

[Eaglette]

If there was - WAPOL will know - it hasnt been made public. WAPOL are holding their cards tight to their chests (as it should be) all will be revealed when and if it goes to trial.

If there's any possibility that the warehouse is connected as a potential crime scene to the CSK case, it's not beyond the realm of possibility that things retrievable as evidence could be unintentionally left behind. Was there ever any further connection made to the warehouse?

 

[Credulious]

If there's any possibility that the warehouse is connected as a potential crime scene to the CSK case, it's not beyond the realm of possibility that things retrievable as evidence could be unintentionally left behind. Was there ever any further connection made to the warehouse?

1.Karrakatta
2.Claremont
3.Government Road
4.Jane Rimmer workplace
5.Electronics diagrams
6.Jewellery
7.Scuffle
8.Claremont Hotel, 1km away
9.Abandoned warehouse
10.No immediate residents

 

[Jennys last IOU]

Hey there is an interesting Telstra exchange at Ankatel. Off the freeway going south turn right & about 500 m along on the next corner it is. Opposite that is the old turn in to the Spectacles, now blocked off. I do wonder if the Tiger moth video makers idea of a right angled line from the OBH thru the Conti to the hills is what BRE actually worked on. I have looked at exchanges up thata way.

 

[Jennys last IOU]

Yes Eaglette; If it goes to trial. In the end I think he will plead guilty to save all the evidence coming out. BRE might be a bit thinner now. Hehe.

 

[Frequant Flyer]

I don't go along with the Fountain way scenario for other reasons but have to admit it can be done look at the Birnies.

Fair point , and your reasons are very well explained , thank you

 

[Jennys last IOU]

One thing I think is true, and that is BRE would have taken his 'Souvenirs' with him and put them somewhere.

 

[meticulously]

Could Bra have been using a camera drone for stalking or snooping ?

https://www.communitynews.com.au/we...ach-secret-harbour-mullaloo-and-quinns-rocks/

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-28/accused-claremont-killer-bradley-robert-edwards/9490144

Blac drone footage link unavailable now .

 

[Jennys last IOU]

Camera drone? They weren't around in 1996/1997 <modsnip>.

 

[Jennys last IOU]

BRE would have given up on serial killing sometime from 2000 to 2010. He would be seen as too old for showing up in Claremont alone, and not meeting anyone for a few drinks.

 

[Pandit]

Unable to reply with quote at the moment. Refer to Credulious post on lack of evidence at the accused properties he had access to.

Could you supply a link please Credulious that states the police have eliminated there being any evidence located at the Fountain Way or Madora Bay properties?

Do you have any knowledge of what evidence there is against the accused for the Sarah Spiers murder?

 

[El Gordo]

This tale is not connected to the CSK events except by the remotest coincidences
It was around 1988 / 89 , in the days of pagers , I was drinking in Freo with a former Claremont footballer who worked for Telstra / Telecom , his pager went off... there was a message from his mate who was about to be out numbered in an altercation in Perth and when could he get there
He asked me if I wanted to go with him , I said sure but whats the point it will be all over before we get there , he replied leave that to me
He had his work car , he pulled out an orange light like the police blue ones , stuck it on his roof , we then set the land speed record to get to Perth in a time I did not imagine was possible
On the trip I said we wont make it , we will be stopped driving like this... he said because of the Telstra / Telecom plates he would not be stopped ,and we were not

 

[Guccigal]

Yes Eaglette; If it goes to trial. In the end I think he will plead guilty to save all the evidence coming out. BRE might be a bit thinner now. Hehe.

Hi Jenny, didn’t the articles last week state that his defence said he was ready to proceed to trial before the SS charge was added? This means he was intending pleading not guilty as you only go to trial if pleading not guilty. That means he risks all the dirt and evidence and cross examination that comes with it but he doesn’t seem to be too concerned as he probably has nothing to lose!