Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #21

[Marylouise911]

Thx Glenis,

Are there any blue/red rocks within the Ashendon area (Jarrahdale State Forest)? 41.9kms south-east of Huntingdale.

41.9kms – Huntingdale to Eagle Hill Rd, Ashendon. Huntingdale to Eagle Hill Rd is assessable via backstreets (avoiding the residential parts of Albany Hwy).

Travelling via:Gay St, Southern River Rd, Ranford Rd, Armadale Rd & Albany Hwy (mainly rural acreage).
https://www.google.com.au/maps/dir/EagleHill Dr

Hi Jackman,

There is a specific Blue Rock Trail off Jarrahdale Rd.

https://trailswa.com.au/trails/blue-rock-trail-jarrahdale

There is a trail map attached to the link above.



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[Jackman]

Hi Jackman,

There is a specific Blue Rock Trail off Jarrahdale Rd.

https://trailswa.com.au/trails/blue-rock-trail-jarrahdale

There is a trail map attached to the link above.

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Thx,
Any native flora around something like a red flame tree. Red wattle's. Thinking red flowers scattered over blue rocks.
Red might not mean blood.

Also, thinking ahead possibly might mean Hedland or part of another name

 

[Marylouise911]

Thx,
Any native flora around something like a red flame tree. Red wattle's. Thinking red flowers scattered over blue rocks.
Red might not mean blood.

Also, thinking ahead possibly might mean Hedland or part of another name

Not meaning to sound offensive or crude but my thoughts on "ahead" were just that. A head . However Hedland or similar would be perfectly logical too.

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[MRichards]

Very happy to leave it - just posted the article to substantiate that WAPOL and prosecution are alleging that JR and CG were murdered at the sites where they were found.

There seemed a lot of confusion and stories being fabricated based on personal opinion and wild imaginations - contrary to what the prosecution believe occurred.

Given prosecution are alleging murder took place at Eglinton and Wellard, perhaps we should start referring to sites as Murder sites as opposed to dump sites. Just a thought.


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Yeah IMO we will hear the girls subdued, strangled prior, then in some cases killed/finished at the site to ensure no return.

Based on habits of serial killers and stabbing someone in your car would leave blood everywhere.

IMO only, Jane probably killed/dumped same night Ciara maybe a couple of days.

Pure speculation. Bring on the trial.

 

[Jackman]

Hi Jackman,

There is a specific Blue Rock Trail off Jarrahdale Rd.

https://trailswa.com.au/trails/blue-rock-trail-jarrahdale

There is a trail map attached to the link above.

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The vicinity where the Blue Rock Trail is located is slightly north of Jarrahdale Rd.
https://www.google.com.au/maps/place/Jarrahdale+Rd

 

[ESH]

Hmmmm, Karagullen, have ridden my horse over every aspect of that bush over many years. IMO....nothing there

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[MRichards]

The area has been a site where many bodies were left over the years and a couple of murder suicides.

Kerryn Tate body discovered 1979
Barbara Western body discovered 1991(about 500m away from Kerryn Tate's body).
Kerry Turner 1991 (5 km south of Karragullen)
Jennifer Wilby 2002 http://www.fivemile.com.au/sites/default/files/extracts/Invisible Women_Extract.pdf

Debra Joy Donnachy 2004
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2004-04-10/police-identify-human-remains/168094
Michael Paul Pruiti 2013
"Major crime detectives were searching an area of land off Dayle Road when they made the discovery, and although formal identification has not yet occurred, police believe the remains are those of Mr Pruiti, who went missing in late October."
http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/human-remains-found-in-karragullen-20131214-2zdtn.html

The Copy Cat scenario may indicate that Karragullen could be a possible site. I am guessing only parts of Karragullen have been searched.

Do you have a page number pretty please for 5 mile ref.
I cant find Barb Western info

 

[MRichards]

Thx,
Any native flora around something like a red flame tree. Red wattle's. Thinking red flowers scattered over blue rocks.
Red might not mean blood.

Also, thinking ahead possibly might mean Hedland or part of another name

IMOO Not having a go at anyone. This in general is chasing mumbo jumbo rainbows.

Karragullen
The name Karragullen has been in use for this area since 1913 when the townsite of this name was gazetted. The townsite was at the head of the Upper Darling Range Railway. Karragullen is the Aboriginal name for the Cannington area as supplied by the Aboriginal 'Tommy Bimbar' in 1916. Another source claims the name means 'red gully'.

Karrakatta
The term katta is well known, and is given as the Aboriginal word for a hill or the top of any height in the early Aboriginal vocabularies. The karra is more difficult as it may be derived from: karri (a crab), karak (the red-tailed black cockatoo), kara (a spider), karh-rh (an orchid with an edible root). The meaning of the combined word could therefore be the hill, or top of the hill, where the orchid with the edible root is found, or the hill frequented by the red-tailed black cockatoo, or the hill where spiders are found and so on. It is not definitely known which is the exact area called by the Aborigines 'Karrakatta' but it is generally thought to be been the top of Mount Eliza.

Karrakup
Karrakup is a large area of forest and farm country east of Byford. It derives its name from 'karrak', the Nyoongar word for the red-tailed black cockatoo which is prevalent in the area. It was approved as a suburb name in 1997.

https://www0.landgate.wa.gov.au/map...ic-names/name-history/historical-suburb-names

 

[Jackman]

Hmmmm, Karagullen, have ridden my horse over every aspect of that bush over many years. IMO....nothing there

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Esh,
Are you suggesting there isn't any dense vegetation in the entire area?

 

[ESH]

Esh,
Are you suggesting there isn't any dense vegetation in the entire area?

Ghostie ....there are pockets of deep creeks & incredibly high forrested hillsides . Around that area there were secluded spots for bocce gaming & fighting. Way way back then


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[ESH]

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Ghostie ....there are pockets of deep creeks & incredibly high forrested hillsides . Around that area there were secluded spots for bocce gaming & fighting. Way way back then


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Should have also said, very denee bush back then

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[DRT]

Do you have a page number pretty please for 5 mile ref.
I cant find Barb Western info

Barbara Western wasn't in that book. The sample had contents and listed Jennifer Wilby and date.

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/re...s/news-story/0c2ef54e364745c7c0582b4e60685a91

This article lists Barbara Western's reference to Karragullen.
http://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/search.php Search name for death date

My starting reference for this was an article called "Skull and bones in bush grave: Tranquil bush setting hides the secrets of the Karragullen killing fields" from the West Australian 10 April 2004. By Luke Eliot.

The importance of this was that the area had been used for dumping of many bodies, none specifically related to the CSK so not meant as a distraction. The conversation was on areas searched since SS's disappearance.

 

[Jackman]

WA has such a vast amount of state forest and untouched land that SS could have been placed anywhere. Though, when we consider JR& CG were placed at opposite sides of central Perth (180deg line through Claremont), SS might have been placed in the opposite direction (east). Is it a triangular shape that is needed to establish where SS has been placed?

The distance from Eglinton to Wellard is 84.6kms (42.3kms is the half way point).
The suburbs of Glen Forrest and Mundaring are approx. 42kms east of the half way point. I'm guessing the CSK wouldn't have travelled through central Perth, but possibly from the southern suburbs.

According to my estimations the CSK placed the bodies further away each time. Perhaps the d-sites were chosen from the perspective of a road map - not from a specific, physical location - like distance from Claremont or from his home suburb.

Just my opinion.

JR = south-west
CG = north-west
SS = possibly east

 

[MRichards]

Ss south east

 

[no name]

The distance from Eglinton to Wellard is 84.6kms (42.3kms is the half way point).

If you are speaking about the distance between the locations the girls were found, I think you have the d sites placed incorrectly. You should be fairly close to 78km depending on exactly where you place the markers. IMO the distance is closer to 78.5km but I have had varying distances given using different programs although the markers in each were almost exactly the same location.
If you were referring to the suburbs themselves, apologies, please disregard my comments.

 

[MRichards]

IMO If someone had a low level permanent skeletal injury, what sort of medication might they take for pain management?

Someone said they felt there may have been an injury of disability.
Ive not looked at vids or anything that suggests injury or disability thus far.

 

[Jackman]

If you are speaking about the distance between the locations the girls were found, I think you have the d sites placed incorrectly. You should be fairly close to 78km depending on exactly where you place the markers. IMO the distance is closer to 78.5km but I have had varying distances given using different programs although the markers in each were almost exactly the same location.
If you were referring to the suburbs themselves, apologies, please disregard my comments.

No apologies needed, thanks for the 78.5kms. Mathematics is not my strong point 84.6kms was a ball-park figure – the distance from suburb to suburb (Eglinton to Wellard) – I don’t know the specific d-site locations.

I think the CSK sat at a table, with a hard copy road map and worked out the d-sites with a mathematical tool or a simple ruler. Back in 1996/97 we used a road atlas, we didn’t have the electronic maps– except for spatial maps but I doubt he did anything at work. The route travelled might have been a secondary factor for the CSK.

Perhaps the CSK might be obsessive compulsive. We know the two victims were placed within a straight line (180o) which passes through Bay View Tce.

Therefore the central point of 78.5kms is 39.25kms (2 ÷ 78.5 = 39.25). Osborne Park is approx. 39.5kms from Eglinton. The distance of 39.25 from Osborne Park is somewhere within Mt Helena, Chidlow & Mundaring.

Later today I’ll sit down with a road map and ruler – then feedback what I’ve found.
In the meantime, please let me know what you all think about the central location being Osborne Park.

Distance from:
Osborne Parkto Chidlow 43.69kms
Osborne Parkto Mt Helena 37.47kms
Osborne Parkto Mundaring 37.05kms
Osborne Parkto Mundaring 33.86kms
Osborne Parkto Stoneville 33.76kms
Osborne Parkto Mundaring 30.45kms

 

[MRichards]

78.5km

However both bodies are on longitudal lines which would be indicitive of a particular map scale.

Could Sarah be habitually on a longitudal line?

Ciara was exactly 50 metres from the verge of Pippidinny road.

I challenge anyone, although neither roads had street lighting at the time; I challenge anyone to park the top the road then cart 55kg on your shoulder down the embankment at 2am in the morning 50 metres.
I feel the exact 50 metres may have had purpose. The bush was much thicker than it is today and probably street lit.

Do the tour at 2am in the morning.

 

[MRichards]

I feel someone used their slide rule on a map of certain scale to draw a line from Jane on a longitudinal through the pub out to Ciara on a longitudinal.

They prempted positioning either all prior or in stages, then carried out the crime.

I think its psychotic behavior of someone of unsound mind.

https://goo.gl/images/euoukV

 

[Spinnaker]

78.5km

However both bodies are on longitudal lines which would be indicitive of a particular map scale.

Could Sarah be habitually on a longitudal line?

Ciara was exactly 50 metres from the verge of Pippidinny road.

I challenge anyone, although neither roads had street lighting at the time; I challenge anyone to park the top the road then cart 55kg on your shoulder down the embankment at 2am in the morning 50 metres.
I feel the exact 50 metres may have had purpose. The bush was much thicker than it is today and probably street lit.

Do the tour at 2am in the morning.

It is possible that CG was walked down the embankment as prosecution allege that CG was murdered out at Pipidinny - effectively taken to Pipidinny alive.

As mentioned previously, I have also been advised from a very reliable source that a scream was also heard from someone at the property where she was found, around the time she went missing.