Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #21

[SN76]

Hi Spinnaker, I think that artist's impression looks awfully like a horrible English bloke who is now in gaol over in UK. Here's a couple of articles about him and there are some very important questions asked in it about the CSK case and others. Can't understand why he wasn't looked at more closely previously?


http://www.news.com.au/news/how-man...a/news-story/3b77563471e500f96c3c56e26c61bd36

QUOTE: (BBM)

The British detective who investigated Ms Bowman's murder isconvinced Dixie has left a string of victims in Australia. "I can'tbelieve Sally Anne's murder was Dixie's first because of the way inwhich it was carried out," Detective Superintendent Stuart Cundysaid outside London's Old Bailey court."I am still convinced he has done something somewhere inAustralia. If he has committed another shocking murder … it isin Australia."He appealed for women in Australia and Britain to study Dixie'sphotograph and to come forward if they had been attacked byhim.While Dixie was cleared by WA police in December 2006 of anyinvolvement in the Claremont killings, a police source told The Sunday Age yesterday that detectives would now review that decision following his murder conviction."​

https://www.theage.com.au/news/nati...ms-in-australia/2008/02/23/1203467459989.html

I've put both photos together, look similar to me, hmm...

Convicted rapist/
murderer Mark Dixie

Could Dixie possibly be MM?....

Also similar to how I imagine a younger BRE IMO....

 

[MRichards]

Re the alley / skirt rip attack:

March 2 1996 was federal election day, Liberal/Nationals winning with a landslide. John Howard's headliner promise (and first item on his reform agenda) was to kick off IR overhaul and privatisation of Telstra.

Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_in_Australia

What is it with elections and sexual attacks? Didnt Sharon Mason disappear when Burke won the election on election day?

Yeah it appears Telstra privatisation discussed as one of the likely stressors.

Was he a political animal?

Ciaras father involved in politics, good friends with Richard Court.
Richard Court had taken Pam Lawrence jewellery overseas as gifts for delegates.
Ciaras boss was in a position dealing in constitutional law.

 

[DRT]

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...r-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-21/page91

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...h-Western-Australia-6&p=12965734#post12965734 from Meticulously thread #6 post #1100 CIA Documentary.

 

[lampformypath]

I have the article handy so here it is:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/sally-anne-bowman-murderer-mark-7704341

Thank you so much Spinnaker, well he was a very tall man then, so women he attacked and managed to survive, would definitely remember his height in their description. What a monster (in height and in behaviour!), and yet ANOTHER one that was running about WA at the same time as others, not just the CSK! The two blokes in the taxi, Murdoch, Wark, etc. etc. I was reading an article which was titled "Why does WA produce more serial killers than anywhere else?", I'll include it here. Would seem to be a fair question to ask, hey?

https://www.stayathomemum.com.au/tr...oduce-more-serial-killers-than-anywhere-else/

 

[no name]

Im not 100% convinced that JC didn't disappear into the ocean or at least some evidence got washed into the sea. The elements have combined to make it possible imo . No one seems to agree with that theory on this forum

I agree with that.

 

[Spinnaker]

Hey Met, I have found your research into tidal conditions and weather data around JC disappearance extremely enlightening - significant work there! Thanks so much.


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[meticulously]

I agree with that.

Hi Noname , what part is it that you agree with excactly ?
Theres two things ive said there.
One is obvious- that some sleuths dont agree.
Im also wondering if you agree that some sort of evidence and/or JC could have been taken away by the ocean as well ?

 

[no name]

Hi Noname , what part is it that you agree with excactly ?
Im also wondering if you agree that some sort of evidence and/or JC could have been taken away by the ocean as well

That bit

 

[Innerchild]

Your recent posts regarding the weather/tidal conditions have come across as though they’re purposely niggling one of the other sleuths.

I’m just grateful IC is more mature and not taking the bait!

Funny thingis I'm agreeing with metic. I'm using the same information and the same link.So here is the link.


http://tides.mobilegeographics.com/c...=1988&m=6&d=13

The one high and one low tide a day with minimal tidal movement is usual for Perth but different in the North of the State, all other parts of Australia that I'maware and most other parts of the world.

If tides were lower than expected because of barometric pressure just adds to RonCasey's observation that there was a large stretch of sand when JC's vehicle wasdiscovered at first light on the 22[SUP]nd[/SUP] June 1988, (not yet at high tideafter taking all night to come in), that the ocean couldn't be anywhere close to the retaining wall when the car was supposed to have entered the water sometimeafter midnight very close to low tide on the 20[SUP]th[/SUP] June 1988.

Remember the tidal movement is vertical and depending on the slope of the beach depends on how far up and down the water goes. But on all three nights this tidal movementis minimal. Fiat would have entered water near low tide after 12.30 am on the20[SUP]th[/SUP] June 1988, when low tide was around 9.30 pm on the 19[SUP]th [/SUP]and high tide was 11.30 am on the 20[SUP]th[/SUP] June.

 

[meticulously]

Hey Met, I have found your research into tidal conditions and weather data around JC disappearance extremely enlightening - significant work there! Thanks so much.


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Thanks Spinnaker i think its a big mystery. I had read about it for years on the forums and a lot of different theories as to how this could have happened. It seems that we are still uncovering clues about the crime now, the recent article # DRT found was very informative too, thanks DRT.
I thought it was interesting when in the last few days we looked at the tide factor closely .
In the Past, i had just discounted the tides being relevant - totally due to the very small change in high to low levels but there was more.
Its the actual time of high tide that is more telling - Mid Morning .
When i took the time to consider the actual time of morning that tide was at peak high it all made sense clearly to me .
I have tried to explain that on this thread and i guess not many are able to grasp the simplicity of it .
I hadnt understood the tide cycle and what it could reveal prior to this week, and i had spent countless hours researching about the other main "bigger components" of the natural elements (swell,winds,current etc)
Innerchild said the tides were very important so i finally took time to try figure out How they could be ?
Once i had a good look at them it was obviously Not important - jmo.
Any rise in tide, peaked mid morning,
So IF there was any tracks they would be seen first thing in the AM before the tide peaked.. ( and it was a very small tide as-well )
The amount of times ive heard the words "tides taking stuff out or in" is massive on the threads.
Tide is just a component and in this cottesloe beach scenario a Very Small one.
The many other components are bigger factors; the swell & winds were much greater factors at the time imo..
I hope Innerchild also understands that now that it's been explained?
That tide was not an important factor (and hopefully nobody suggests it is, Ever Again ! )
Of course many will continue to use the phrase erroneously and show that they either dont believe me, don't read the information posted on the topic, or arent familiar with the coastal geography in the perth metropolitan beaches = tides .
JmO

 

[meticulously]

Funny thingis I'm agreeing with metic. I'm using the same information and the same link.So here is the link.


http://tides.mobilegeographics.com/c...=1988&m=6&d=13

The one high and one low tide a day with minimal tidal movement is usual for Perth but different in the North of the State, all other parts of Australia that I'maware and most other parts of the world.

If tides were lower than expected because of barometric pressure just adds to RonCasey's observation that there was a large stretch of sand when JC's vehicle wasdiscovered at first light on the 22[SUP]nd[/SUP] June 1988, (not yet at high tideafter taking all night to come in), that the ocean couldn't be anywhere close to the retaining wall when the car was supposed to have entered the water sometimeafter midnight very close to low tide on the 20[SUP]th[/SUP] June 1988.

Remember the tidal movement is vertical and depending on the slope of the beach depends on how far up and down the water goes. But on all three nights this tidal movementis minimal. Fiat would have entered water near low tide after 12.30 am on the20[SUP]th[/SUP] June 1988, when low tide was around 9.30 pm on the 19[SUP]th [/SUP]and high tide was 11.30 am on the 20[SUP]th[/SUP] June.

Yes glad you understand the "inverse barometer effect" Innerchild .
Thats why i think those extra big waves overnight on the 20th in the AM could have been the only time the waves did wash right up the beach. And thats only a possibility imo , as we can see a picture of a big gap from the water to the wall .
The investigators think the same thing too .

Detective Carey said, quote:
"It was a stormy night and the waves were breaking at the back of the beach and water was lapping at the boatshed," he said.
"It would have been easy to push the car off the edge and it would have floated out to sea."
Suicide was ruled out because Ms Cutler's body would have been washed ashore if she had driven the car into the surf.
"I have no doubt Julie was not in the car when it went into the water," Supt Carey said."

(No link available- only the screen shot)

 

[petedavo.au]

Yes glad you understand the "inverse barometer effect" Innerchild .
Thats why i think those extra big waves overnight on the 20th in the AM could have been the only time the waves did wash right up the beach. And thats only a possibility imo , as we can see a picture of a big gap from the water to the wall .
The investigators think the same thing too .

Detective Carey said, quote:
"It was a stormy night and the waves were breaking at the back of the beach and water was lapping at the boatshed," he said.
"It would have been easy to push the car off the edge and it would have floated out to sea."
Suicide was ruled out because Ms Cutler's body would have been washed ashore if she had driven the car into the surf.
"I have no doubt Julie was not in the car when it went into the water," Supt Carey said."

(No link available- only the screen shot)

Here is the link
https://www.watoday.com.au/national...e-question-still-remains-20180423-p4zb5k.html

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[meticulously]

Here is the link
https://www.watoday.com.au/national...e-question-still-remains-20180423-p4zb5k.html

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Thanks petedavo, this is a bit different from your article actually.

Quote from the article :

“That particular night, there were strong winds and rain to the extent that the waves were lapping the retaining the wall of the Cottesloe Surf Club.
“It had to go into the water that night because the next day, the water had subsided, the tide had gone out leaving a wide gap of sand between the edge of the retaining wall and the surf.”

And from my article from 1997 :

Quote : "It was a stormy night and the waves were breaking at the back of the beach and water was lapping at the boatshed," he said.

"It would have been easy to push the car off the edge and it would have floated out to sea."

Suicide was ruled out because Ms Cutler's body would have been washed ashore if she had driven the car into the surf.

"I have no doubt Julie was not in the car when it went into the water," Supt Carey said."

This article was found and forwarded to me but im sorry to not have a link . Screenshots are available ( [emoji6] if needed)


"A young woman's disappearance in 1988 is one of the most puzzling to confront WA police"
JOHN TOWNSEND reports.
HD Car Found In Sea But Owner Still Missing
WC 819 words
PD 29 January 1997
SN The West Australian"
( Article year & description )

 

[meticulously]

Funny thingis I'm agreeing with metic. I'm using the same information and the same link.So here is the link.


http://tides.mobilegeographics.com/c...=1988&m=6&d=13

The one high and one low tide a day with minimal tidal movement is usual for Perth but different in the North of the State, all other parts of Australia that I'maware and most other parts of the world.

If tides were lower than expected because of barometric pressure just adds to RonCasey's observation that there was a large stretch of sand when JC's vehicle wasdiscovered at first light on the 22[SUP]nd[/SUP] June 1988, (not yet at high tideafter taking all night to come in), that the ocean couldn't be anywhere close to the retaining wall when the car was supposed to have entered the water sometimeafter midnight very close to low tide on the 20[SUP]th[/SUP] June 1988.

Remember the tidal movement is vertical and depending on the slope of the beach depends on how far up and down the water goes. But on all three nights this tidal movementis minimal. Fiat would have entered water near low tide after 12.30 am on the20[SUP]th[/SUP] June 1988, when low tide was around 9.30 pm on the 19[SUP]th [/SUP]and high tide was 11.30 am on the 20[SUP]th[/SUP] June.

Thank you Innerchild - for not disagreeing and so well done ! For interpreting that accurately. Looks everyone, we agreed [emoji2]
I had hoped that you would like to read about that stuff on the inverse barometer phenomenon on tide levels, (although not many others here are interested, sorry folks ignore).
And as we know it was a high cell on the days especially mon - tues.
So some effect- no doubt (~15cm ).

Why dont you agree that the car went in early on Monday AM ?
1. Is it the disbelief of the "big waves" theory , washing up to the wall ?
or
2. That Nobody found the car until wednesday? (So it is impossible in your opinion? )

It Could be explained that the sea water was very murky after the big storm and swells being giant along the whole WA coast the day, days and even some weeks prior .
And that the swimmers and surfers didnt see it for ~2/3 days : mon, tues & found weds morning ? Im unsure what to think about that but reckon its possible .
The whole thing is hard to comprehend and not easily done. So incomprehensible that many people just skip that bit and dont want to speculate at all. then there's a few that criticize the few who will try .
Theres a lot more to solve with this, and i hope JC can be found . JmO .

 

[petedavo.au]

Thank you Innerchild - for not disagreeing and so well done ! For interpreting that accurately. Looks everyone, we agreed [emoji2]
I had hoped that you would like to read about that stuff on the inverse barometer phenomenon on tide levels, (although not many others here are interested, sorry folks ignore).
And as we know it was a high cell on the days especially mon - tues.
So some effect- no doubt (~15cm ).

Why dont you agree that the car went in early on Monday AM ?
1. Is it the disbelief of the "big waves" theory , washing up to the wall ?
or
2. That Nobody found the car until wednesday? (So it is impossible in your opinion? )

It Could be explained that the sea water was very murky after the big storm and swells being giant along the whole WA coast the day, days and even some weeks prior .
And that the swimmers and surfers didnt see it for ~2/3 days : mon, tues & found weds morning ? Im unsure what to think about that but reckon its possible .
The whole thing is hard to comprehend and not easily done. So incomprehensible that many people just skip that bit and dont want to speculate at all. then there's a few that criticize the few who will try .
Theres a lot more to solve with this, and i hope JC can be found . JmO .

One of the possibilities I'm pondering is that Julie Cutler was taken hostage in a kidnap for ransom attempt. It's a long shot, but the known facts can fit with it, and there's at least one POI that was in Perth and was convicted of another kidnapping for ransom a few years later.
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...g-murdered-SK-victims&p=14102996#post14102996

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[MRichards]

Re the alley / skirt rip attack:

March 2 1996 was federal election day, Liberal/Nationals winning with a landslide. John Howard's headliner promise (and first item on his reform agenda) was to kick off IR overhaul and privatisation of Telstra.

Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_in_Australia

What is it with elections and sexual attacks? Didnt Sharon Mason disappear when Burke won the election on election day?

Yeah it appears Telstra privatisation discussed as one of the likely stressors.

Was he a political animal?

Ciaras father involved in politics, good friends with Richard Court.
Richard Court had taken Pam Lawrence jewellery overseas as gifts for delegates.
Ciaras boss was in a position dealing in constitutional law.

Yeah cant believe the election dates coinciding.
Need to check the rest.

Nine years earlier, on a 40C February stinker in 1983 when West Australians were voting to elect a young Brian Burke as premier, Sharon, 14, had waved goodbye to a girlfriend after getting off a bus across the road from the Mosman Park Post Office. According to the police, it was the last credible sighting of the girl with the brown shoulder-length hair.

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/cr...murder-mystery-that-shook-perth-ng-b88699046z

 

[DRT]

Yeah cant believe the election dates coinciding.
Need to check the rest.

Nine years earlier, on a 40C February stinker in 1983 when West Australians were voting to elect a young Brian Burke as premier, Sharon, 14, had waved goodbye to a girlfriend after getting off a bus across the road from the Mosman Park Post Office. According to the police, it was the last credible sighting of the girl with the brown shoulder-length hair.

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/cr...murder-mystery-that-shook-perth-ng-b88699046z

A girl goes missing in daylight and is later found murdered and an unrelated attack on a woman at night 13 years later with a suspect description that is similar to others posted both on election days, one Federal and one state, one labor winner one, liberal winner in different suburb has a connection how?

 

[MRichards]

A girl goes missing in daylight and is later found murdered and an unrelated attack on a woman at night 13 years later with a suspect description that is similar to others posted both on election days, one Federal and one state, one labor winner one, liberal winner in different suburb has a connection how?

Both on election day

 

[no name]

Both on election day

And?
Whats the relevance?
Its just ****!

 

[petedavo.au]

A girl goes missing in daylight and is later found murdered and an unrelated attack on a woman at night 13 years later with a suspect description that is similar to others posted both on election days, one Federal and one state, one labor winner one, liberal winner in different suburb has a connection how?

Having done casual work, during the counting for elections, it usually goes for a few weeks, but the supervisors do double shifts. Not bad money, if you've taken your annual leave to cover it too. If one partner is doing such a job, it will mean that the other partner is left to their own devices for much of that period though. Could be a holiday for a hen pecked male if the couple doesn't have kids. With state elections the WA EC will hire a large venue do do the counting. On one of those occasions that I did one, they used the Silver Jubilee pavilion at Claremont Showgrounds!

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