Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #4

[Parkie]

Ugh, can`t sleep.. I want to know why they won`t show the missing footage inside the Conti. We have seen one frame of MM, where is the rest? Especially since the cameras are on timed sequences. It does look to me MM is chatting to 2 ladies by the stairs. I spoke to the former head of the scs & he emailed them about it. So he wasn`t even shown it all. IMHO that is bad.

 

[Peter Kurten]

Have I said anything on this blog to make you think I have an agenda?

I looked at the side panel the other day and it said 2 users browsing and 6 guests. I think we all owe it to people who are thinking of joining to create a welcoming environment. I find your response quite rude especially that you've mentioned you work in the printing trade twice now (I've gone right back to the beginning of these blogs)

Back to your reply, I just checked in and it says I only have 2 out of the 5 capacity messages. If you can think of some way for me to prove I am not posting under those username you've mentioned I'd be more than happy, although I shouldn't be obligated to.

 

[silver tongue]

gday pavement

you seem to well versed in navy theory
ive been trying to find out which us war ships were docked in freo on or around the time of the CSK anybody got any suggestions on were to look ?

 

[Elwood_1]

gday pavement

you seem to well versed in navy theory
ive been trying to find out which us war ships were docked in freo on or around the time of the CSK anybody got any suggestions on were to look ?

The West Australian had a section that used to name ship arrivals and departures, but it didn't always give all the warships, and would often miss the submarines, as they went into HMAS Stirling (if they listed those at all). Often submarine arrivals weren't published, but the carrier battle groups always included at least one, sometimes more.

Oh, someone was talking the other day about the SAS. Sailors could/can join the SAS (usually Clearance Divers), but soldiers couldn't ordinarily join the Navy (to my knowledge).

 

[Parkie]

appologies Peter.

 

[bessie]

Knock it off, or you'll get no cheezy puffs or M&M's, and you'll spend recess kneeling in the corner.

:blah:?? :cuckoo:!! :blah:?? :cuckoo:!! ...... :waiting:

 

[Sutton]

Posters who think the CSK knew the women or went into the clubs... Please explain this part of your theory. I've posted several times why I believe the opposite and those posts have been left unchallenged, yet we continue to hear about Mystery Man and Judoman...

Hi. I don't think the CSK necessarily knew his victims. But many serial killers do know some of their victims.

I don't think the killer went into any of the clubs. I think he cruised the streets and parked and waited for a girl to walk by alone. Then he attacked.

Here's that theory with another factor considered:

Anyone from the area would possibly know some of the girls. What if there were more rapes and attempted rapes than were ever reported? What if the CSK only killed the victims who would recognize him? Maybe he just couldn't stop himself from assaulting SS, JR, and CG, even though he knew them. They were so vulnerable, and who knew if another girl would come along that night?

Maybe he didn't enjoy killing them, or maybe he discovered it was way better than rape. Who knows? Admittedly, there are a few huge problems with this theory...

 

[Bowman]

Hi all, first time poster. Want to say thanks for the many hours of intrigue over at BF and here. Special thanks to Parkie, Sutton, Papertrail, Bartholemeus, billywhizz, Frankie and Droc may he rest in peace. Thanks to Bessie for unobtrusive admin skillz and general awesomeness.


A couple of random observations from an Easterner who has never even been to the fine state of WA -


* Facebook photos suggest JM drives an Aston Martin. I don't know if this has any bearing on his nationality or heritage but I thought it was interesting.


* In relation to the late night call to Don Spiers, I note that 2700 hectares is approximately equal to 6600 acres (which could be mistaken for 5600 in a late night phone call). Acres and hectares are sometimes confused also.


* I believe Frankie.


* Hats off to Parkibes for a masterful deception, I never really thought you were CSK.


* I don't see a lot in the Claremont ghost stuff.


* I found the words of Sean Price, recently jailed for the murder of Masa Vukotic, very revealing of the probable state of mind of the CSK -


"I just thought I'm going to stab and I'm going to hurt these f---ing dogs," he said. "So I thought originally, look for rich areas. I thought rich areas, these f---ing c---s, they don't care unless it happens to them, unless it's in their society."


"I was planning this days before I went to Kew thinking of stabbing someone."


http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/s...f-masa-vukotic-on-friday-20160317-gnlhvb.html


* Taxi Tony seems to have disappeared from Facebook. Can anyone else confirm?


* Am very interested to see what becomes of the fellow from the recent Coorong attacks in SA. Same for Eravelly.


* I can't get excited by MM - it seems that WAPOL and Liebman were playing some sort of twisted cat and mouse game.


* Anyone have access to video of the Australian Story episode about the CSK "He Who Waits"?


http://www.abc.net.au/austory/content/2003/s1042100.htm


* Keep up the great sleuthing.

 

[Peter Kurten]

Hi Bowman.

Sutton, I too believe that the killer waited in side streets for the girls to cross his path. It matches his first crime where his panel van was waiting in that car park.

I just can't get my head around this screen printing link. From what I've read, the main screen printing ink used is water based. Therefore it can't really impregnate anything. Maybe the clothes line was more of a nylon rope type as opposed to the solid plastic type.

Also please open to the possibility that the forensic link between KK and CG could be a long strand of hair that has been kept all these years. While hair itself didn't use to be able to yield DNA I think they can now , from what I've read. Plenty of clues point towards long hair, especially the article that mentioned a description of the Karrakatta attacker (183cm med to solid build, long hair etc)

IF anyone here knows about screen printing please post or get into contact with me through other means.

 

[delbertGrady]

Hi Bowman.

Sutton, I too believe that the killer waited in side streets for the girls to cross his path. It matches his first crime where his panel van was waiting in that car park.

I just can't get my head around this screen printing link. From what I've read, the main screen printing ink used is water based. Therefore it can't really impregnate anything. Maybe the clothes line was more of a nylon rope type as opposed to the solid plastic type.

Also please open to the possibility that the forensic link between KK and CG could be a long strand of hair that has been kept all these years. While hair itself didn't use to be able to yield DNA I think they can now , from what I've read. Plenty of clues point towards long hair, especially the article that mentioned a description of the Karrakatta attacker (183cm med to solid build, long hair etc)

IF anyone here knows about screen printing please post or get into contact with me through other means.

Peter kurten do you have a link for the article with that description of the Karrakatta rapist? I haven't seen that before.

 

[delbertGrady]

Hi. I don't think the CSK necessarily knew his victims. But many serial killers do know some of their victims.

I don't think the killer went into any of the clubs. I think he cruised the streets and parked and waited for a girl to walk by alone. Then he attacked.

Here's that theory with another factor considered:

Anyone from the area would possibly know some of the girls. What if there were more rapes and attempted rapes than were ever reported? What if the CSK only killed the victims who would recognize him? Maybe he just couldn't stop himself from assaulting SS, JR, and CG, even though he knew them. They were so vulnerable, and who knew if another girl would come along that night?

Maybe he didn't enjoy killing them, or maybe he discovered it was way better than rape. Who knows? Admittedly, there are a few huge problems with this theory...

I think your theory about the CSK only killing the ones who knew him makes a lot of sense.
its true that someone who lived in claremont, or even just worked in the area, or attended one of the local private schools or UWA may know or at least be recognisable to quite a lot of people in that area.
it's highly likely there were other unreported non fatal attacks.

 

[enzeder]

Peter kurten do you have a link for the article with that description of the Karrakatta rapist? I haven't seen that before.

papertrail Post #777 "Karrakatta rape victim information including description of rapist"
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...h-Western-Australia-2&p=12128953#post12128953

 

[delbertGrady]

papertrail Post #777 "Karrakatta rape victim information including description of rapist"
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...h-Western-Australia-2&p=12128953#post12128953

Thanks enzeder.

i would be interested to know if he spoke at all, and if he had an accent, or sounded, upper class, ocker, or just a normal Australian accent, and what age he sounded, And did she see his face or have an idea of his age.

 

[Sutton]

...
* Taxi Tony seems to have disappeared from Facebook. Can anyone else confirm?...

Snipped. Welcome to the thread.

TT's FB seems to come and go. Not sure why, but it'll probably be back soon.

 

[Peter Kurten]

I remember someone posting on Big Footy a link to a very low quality version of that Aus Story. I've since tried to find it to no avail. It was interesting to see Dave Caporn comment on things. Also interesting to see the Rimmer family speak.

 

[Sutton]

Thanks enzeder.

i would be interested to know if he spoke at all, and if he had an accent, or sounded, upper class, ocker, or just a normal Australian accent, and what age he sounded, And did she see his face or have an idea of his age.

I don't remember details about the CSK's voice ever being released in relation to Karrakatta. There were some local newscasts that gave different information; maybe it was mentioned in those. But I don't think they are available online.

If you believe the 1989 Cottesloe Hotel car park attack is related to the CSK crimes, she said,

“He didn’t say anything that I remember – he didn’t try to talk or call out."

This is surprising, given he had to recapture her several times and she was screaming. Maybe he avoided talking for a reason?

http://postnewspapers.com.au/editions/20151114/view.php

 

[Peter Kurten]

Where has Papertrail gone? I want more articles !

 

[iknowwhatyoudid]

Snipped. Welcome to the thread.

TT's FB seems to come and go. Not sure why, but it'll probably be back soon.

Snipped. Welcome to the thread.

TT's FB seems to come and go. Not sure why, but it'll probably be back soon.

I've been watching his facebook page for awhile and he hasn't posted anything since February the 9th.

And this is after posting links to various websites either every day or every second day for the best part of a year.

Not sure why he would suddenly go silent (does anyone have any theories) because I think it is very unusual considering the regularity of his postings before Feb 9th and the fact that his photography business would rely in part on a facebook profile that is active.

Where would someone go in the world that he cant log on and post some crap?

https://www.facebook.com/SlutWalkPerth/posts/169347849869233

This is an interesting post he made on a website back in 2012....seems to tie in with Drocs description of him and really what kind of person describes his "respect for working girls" the way he has. Pretty creepy if you ask me it's like he thinks he is a pimp.

I used to know many of the Northbridge prostitutes when I was working at the Northbridge Mobil service station back in the late 1990's (not by using them haha) and they used to tell me very interesting full on stories. I also met many taxi drivers that would drive prostitutes to clients and most of them were simply rotten yuck people that would use the girls for either sex, drugs and to feel a part of the "gangster" underworld.

TT is one of these people as his slutwalk post suggests which means Droc's description of him and Michelle must have some serious basis. Even if he isn't the CSK he strikes me as someone who has been up to some dodgy stuff in his old taxis days.

The guy creeps me out where are you TT?

 

[Sutton]

...I just can't get my head around this screen printing link. From what I've read, the main screen printing ink used is water based. Therefore it can't really impregnate anything. Maybe the clothes line was more of a nylon rope type as opposed to the solid plastic type...

...IF anyone here knows about screen printing please post or get into contact with me through other means.

Snipped. I don't know much about screen printing, but I do know solvents are used to remove the ink and clean the screens. If a solvent is required, it's not water based.

Also, one article specifies a screen printing component. That could refer to ink, an emulsifier, a solvent, a drying agent, or any materials used in the process. Is there only one article out there or are the several?

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Parkie: You've mentioned the deleted rope clue blog several times. Do you have the url for the blog (I want to check Google Cache, Resavr, etc)? What was the rope clue/what was said in the blog? Do you remember what the important comments referred to?

 

[Peter Kurten]

I think the printing component was taken in order to compare it to injuries sustained to CG's skull.