Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #6

[Mo Joe]

Do you mean Rayney?

 

[Bartholemeus]

And this is why people may have been cleared, apart from DNA elimination (Does not mean they are not an accessory the person at the scene with DNA).

1. We don't know if they have DNA.
2. We don't know who is ruled out and who isn't. Macro have not publicly ruled anyone out. Maybe internally they have but publicly they haven't and probably won't.

We all know they might have it or might not have it. There's also a lot of different opinions as to whether they do or not. It serves no purpose to state categorically that police have DNA. It would be handy if you were on the same page as the rest of the posters.

"Person of interest" is a term widely used by the police, but it's relatively new, having emerged in the mid-1990s. In most cases, it appears to be a euphemism for "suspect," with enough vagueness thrown in to temper expectations and afford legal protection. "The beauty is that nobody knows what it means and that it has no definition," said Paul Rothstein, a professor of law at Georgetown University Law Center in Washington, D.C. "It covers a multifarious group of situations and therefore no one can say that it means this person is a suspect, because they aren't yet. Because there isn't enough information.

"It's a way for police and prosecutors to disguise that they really have some grounds to suspect that a person played some role in a crime," he said. "But they don't feel they have enough evidence that they want to essentially perhaps defame the person by suggesting to the public that this person has committed a crime or is a full suspect in a crime."

The only person named as a suspect in this case is LW. Caporn named him. Maybe he slipped and used the wrong words, maybe he was supremely confident he was the guy and felt it didn't matter.

There were multiple persons in the vehicle Ciara approached which suggests more than one person is very feasible.

There is no evidence one way or other as to how many people were in that vehicle. From memory the words used at the time were "CG was talking to the occupants of a light coloured car". Whilst it does suggest plural the liklihood is "occupants" was used to cover one or many people and there was no definitive suggestion as to how many were in the car.

A person may have been cleared because a court order might have been granted to clear the persons name as a POI even though POI has no legal definition.

No one has been publicly cleared. If a court action was taken;

a. We'd know about it
b. It would likely require WAPOL to publicly clear the POI. There's no advantage to a POI to be cleared privately (by force).

One CSK POI I believe wants $10 million for defamation of character.

Which begs the question why haven't others taken legal action?

 

[Nugget77]

1. We don't know if they have DNA.
2. We don't know who is ruled out and who isn't. Macro have not publicly ruled anyone out. Maybe internally they have but publicly they haven't and probably won't.

We all know they might have it or might not have it. There's also a lot of different opinions as to whether they do or not. It serves no purpose to state categorically that police have DNA. It would be handy if you were on the same page as the rest of the posters.



The only person named as a suspect in this case is LW. Caporn named him. Maybe he slipped and used the wrong words, maybe he was supremely confident he was the guy and felt it didn't matter.


There is no evidence one way or other as to how many people were in that vehicle. From memory the words used at the time were "CG was talking to the occupants of a light coloured car". Whilst it does suggest plural the liklihood is "occupants" was used to cover one or many people and there was no definitive suggestion as to how many were in the car.


No one has been publicly cleared. If a court action was taken;

a. We'd know about it
b. It would likely require WAPOL to publicly clear the POI. There's no advantage to a POI to be cleared privately (by force).

Which begs the question why haven't others taken legal action?

Thanks for trying to ensure that the facts are the facts. I find there seems to be so much conjecture taken as gospel in these (and other) CSK related threads that it gets very difficult to follow.

 

[Mo Joe]

Thanks for trying to ensure that the facts are the facts. I find there seems to be so much conjecture taken as gospel in these (and other) CSK related threads that it gets very difficult to follow.

Nugget77 who do you place as #1?

 

[Mo Joe]

How would it hurt the investigation for the public to know what types of dog hairs were found on GR?

 

[Mo Joe]

Has CR's cause of death been disclosed?

 

[Bartholemeus]

How would it hurt the investigation for the public to know what types of dog hairs were found on GR?

The cons;

1. It would cause a witch hunt. Every person with that type of dog would be under the microscope from the public potentially affecting innocent people
2. If for some reason the hairs were not from the killers dog then the public would potentially be close minded and miss cues. "That guy doesn't have dog breed X therefore I will subconsciously miss the cues that a colleague/friend/partner/relative might be the killer".

The pros;

1. A witch hunt would mean WAPOL wold be much more aware of who all the people who owned dog breed X are. It might crack the case.



I'm no expert in detective work but a lot of cases seem to have gone cold and I wonder if WAPOL methods need to be overhauled? MM video should have been released no later than 2 years into the case IMO. Potentially they kept it in case they came across a POI and that POI denied being in the area. A tool to trap a suspect. But by that time they were red hot on LW and wouldn't have effected LW's case (except for maybe proving him innocent).


MoJoe - you're favoured POI is someone on Macro's list but not publicly ID'd. Do you think the CSK is also GR's killer?

 

[Mo Joe]

I think it's possible.

 

[Mo Joe]

If the police have tyre tracks from the GR site, have they checked them against vehicles that match the KK abduction?

 

[Nugget77]

Nugget77 who do you place as #1?

Pretty tough question. To be honest I'm just a casual observer of this case and I really struggle to come up with any really firm conclusion. I actually think if LW was the killer he'd have been caught by now. I just don't see it with him. In fact if I was to pick anyone I think it's probably none of the usual favourites and instead someone that hasn't been released as a POI and perhaps the police have no real idea who it might be. I genuinely think it might be someone that is dead, incarcerated or living elsewhere.

What would you think Mo Joe?

 

[Mo Joe]

If GR was strangled, and KK was tied up, there would also be similarities or differences there as well.

 

[Bartholemeus]

If the police have tyre tracks from the GR site, have they checked them against vehicles that match the KK abduction?

I'm sure they would have but the chances are it's almost impossible to trace. If it was a van or pv for Karra then there's almost infinite brands and models of tyres that could be used. Karrakatta is all sealed roads but it's possible Karra man 3-point turned into the dirt to the side of the road (no curbs for most of it). Did police ever determine the exact location of where the rape happened?

 

[Mo Joe]

dead - IDTS. incarcerated - IDTS

 

[Nugget77]

dead - IDTS. incarcerated - IDTS

What's 'IDTS'?

 

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[Mo Joe]

What's 'IDTS'?

I don't think so

 

[Nugget77]

dead - IDTS. incarcerated - IDTS

Cheers for the explanation. So you don't think they are dead or incarcerated. Any idea why?

 

[Mo Joe]

..because of the ongoing investigation and DNA testing..

 

[Nugget77]

..because of the ongoing investigation and DNA testing..

I can see possibly why for incarcerated. Why would that impact on potentially dead?

 

[Mo Joe]

I can see possibly why for incarcerated. Why would that impact on potentially dead?

I don't ever recall resources being wasted on a dead perp.