Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #6

[MyLeftFoot]

It's a laboratory. They are scientists. Let's take the CSK case for example. Someone calls crime stoppers and reports a lead. Invesigators run some checks and realise this person's name has come up a few times and is on their POI list. The new information elevates them up the POI list. Forensics would not have access to the CSK case files. They would not be the team looking at suspects, investigating them and then deciding "we should go and ask/demand for that POI's DNA".

ps CSI: Las Vegas isn't actually real. Doesn't happen like that.

Correct. And it only happens partly as you describe also!

 

[MyLeftFoot]

All evidence is evaluated as priority 1, priority 2 etc, depending a what substantiating evidence is apparent. That decision is made by the investigators whose job it is to class it's priority. That is where Stanbury comes in. It is his job to decide what is relevant and what is not, depending on what other factors are known.
As for running off and demanding a DNA sample from someone, it is my belief they already have the offenders DNA. Now that is speculation on my part, but informed speculation based on the reshuffling of staff and things I have picked up. As I said...it's speculation. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck..it's probably a duck.

 

[Mo Joe]

All evidence is evaluated as priority 1, priority 2 etc, depending a what substantiating evidence is apparent. That decision is made by the investigators whose job it is to class it's priority. That is where Stanbury comes in. It is his job to decide what is relevant and what is not, depending on what other factors are known.
As for running off and demanding a DNA sample from someone, it is my belief they already have the offenders DNA. Now that is speculation on my part, but informed speculation based on the reshuffling of staff and things I have picked up. As I said...it's speculation. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck..it's probably a duck.

Please clarify. Have his DNA from the crime scenes, have his DNA from him, or both?

 

[Mo Joe]

She's possible as are some other girls. One thing we can be quite confident of is; if the CSK remained in Australia and continued killing then he changed his MO.

My gut feel is DM did Lisa Brown. I haven't ruled out the CSK but without any extra evidence it's in the "will keep it in mind won't look at it unless there's some new evidence or a plausible theory" basket.

I have reason to believe that the police may have considered she was connected to the CSK. MOO

 

[MyLeftFoot]

Please clarify. Have his DNA from the crime scenes, have his DNA from him, or both?

First of all let me say this. I don't have concrete evidence that they DO have the offenders DNA! I'm saying that it looks like they do. I base this on how the investigation has shifted and gone to ground and where resources have been placed.

But to answer your question, I believe it points to them having both crimescene and offenders evidence and I think it is only a fairly recent development. You are perfectly free to believe otherwise.

 

[MyLeftFoot]

I have reason to believe that the police may have considered she was connected to the CSK. MOO

I've always wondered about that!
Would you care to share?

 

[Bartholemeus]

First of all let me say this. I don't have concrete evidence that they DO have the offenders DNA! I'm saying that it looks like they do. I base this on how the investigation has shifted and gone to ground and where resources have been placed.

But to answer your question, I believe it points to them having both crimescene and offenders evidence and I think it is only a fairly recent development. You are perfectly free to believe otherwise.

I just checked Stanbury's LinkedIn. It says he is "Forensic Coordinator" but has been in that role since 2006. So he hasn't necessarily been moved from heading up the CSK investigation to a forensic role.

 

[meticulously]

I have reason to believe that the police may have considered she was connected to the CSK. MOO

Don morey linked to sarah McMahon disappearance .
And is thought to be separate from the csk .

Sarah disappeared after work in claremont and initially fuelled rumors that the csk did it . But then turned out to be not related , but it is another disappearance in the area so heres pics for anyone unaware . Lisa brown possibly moreys crime ? More to come on that...

layout app for photos

 

[MyLeftFoot]

I just checked Stanbury's LinkedIn. It says he is "Forensic Coordinator" but has been in that role since 2006. So he hasn't necessarily been moved from heading up the CSK investigation to a forensic role.

He has actually. But you believe what you want. It seems to be a very small point to argue.

 

[MyLeftFoot]

He has actually. But you believe what you want. It seems to be a very small point to argue.

And who knows...he might still also be in the role of heading up the investigation

 

[Bartholemeus]

He has actually. But you believe what you want. It seems to be a very small point to argue.

You said you had a source. Can you please post it.

 

[MyLeftFoot]

You said you had a source. Can you please post it.

With pleasure. It will take me some time to find it. I know it's in my files somewhere.

 

[MyLeftFoot]

You said you had a source. Can you please post it.

Ok..Found the file in question but I'm not sure it should be posted here. I will need to check some legals as it mentions other officers.
I hope this will suffice in the interim.

Jim Stanbury© 2016
Detective Sergeant - Forensic Coordinator at WA Police
location - Perth, Australia
industry - Law Enforcement
Current - Detective Sergeant - Forensic Coordinator
Past - Team Leader at Australian Crime Commission, Liaison Officer at Australian Federal
Education -Murdoch University, Kalamunda Senior High School
-Murdoch University 2008 – 2009 Post Grad Forensic Science

 

[Mo Joe]

With pleasure. It will take me some time to find it. I know it's in my files somewhere.

I think I read this in a news article as well.

 

[Bartholemeus]

Ok..Found the file in question but I'm not sure it should be posted here. I will need to check some legals as it mentions other officers.
I hope this will suffice in the interim.

Jim Stanbury© 2016
Detective Sergeant - Forensic Coordinator at WA Police
location - Perth, Australia
industry - Law Enforcement
Current - Detective Sergeant - Forensic Coordinator
Past - Team Leader at Australian Crime Commission, Liaison Officer at Australian Federal
Education -Murdoch University, Kalamunda Senior High School
-Murdoch University 2008 – 2009 Post Grad Forensic Science

Might have been easier if you confirmed that your source was also LinkedIn. It doesn't indicate that he moved from Macro to a forensics role. All it says is that he's been with WAPOL for 10 years and for all of that time he's been DS - Forensic Coordinator.

It seems you may have misinterpreted the information.

 

[MyLeftFoot]

Might have been easier if you confirmed that your source was also LinkedIn. It doesn't indicate that he moved from Macro to a forensics role. All it says is that he's been with WAPOL for 10 years and for all of that time he's been DS - Forensic Coordinator.

It seems you may have misinterpreted the information.

I have not misinterpreted anything Bartholemeous.
Yes everyone...Linkdedin is the source in the bio. I probably should have mentioned that. I was just trying to make it easier posting it directly.
The fact is, I thought it was old news and was surprised you didn't know.
It is not my only source and I believe I made that clear in the post. I am reluctant to post the alternative source until I'm sure it doesn't infringe on the privacy of others.

 

[Mo Joe]

10/02/99 - article by Sarah Stephen
https://www.greenleft.org.au/content/and-aint-i-woman-sex-worker-and-law

Extensive search for Lisa Jane Brown not launched for three months.
Police Constable on three charges of rape against two sex workers

 

[Mo Joe]

I have not misinterpreted anything Bartholemeous.
Yes everyone...Linkdedin is the source in the bio. I probably should have mentioned that. I was just trying to make it easier posting it directly.
The fact is, I thought it was old news and was surprised you didn't know.
It is not my only source and I believe I made that clear in the post. I am reluctant to post the alternative source until I'm sure it doesn't infringe on the privacy of others.

I had read it before.

 

[MyLeftFoot]

I had read it before.

Thank you Mo Joe!
I damned if I know how it became such an arguable issue!!

 

[Bartholemeus]

I have not misinterpreted anything Bartholemeous.

You claimed he moved out of Macro and into forensics and this suggests he moved there because they must have DNA. I'm not saying it's not true, just that it's a massive leap of logic. Why don't we move on and leave it at "we don't know until you find more info".