Australia Australia - Claremont SK, 1996-97, Perth, WA - #14

[ESH]

Yes, True!

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

If BRE not being charged with the sexual assault of JR and CG, does this mean these two victims were NOT raped, or does this suggest the two bodies were so far decomposed that no evidence of rape could be collected from the crime scene?


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[Spooks-R-Us]

Yes, True!

ESH which question are you answering please?
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[Canning Vale]

Or the accused dressed her (like a doll).

If the accused was dressing people up, he'd need to purchase and store the clothing. Perhaps, and hopefully, one of the ex-wives can shed some light on finding something as such. JMO.

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

If the accused was dressing people up, he'd need to purchase and store the clothing. Perhaps, and hopefully, one of the ex-wives can shed some light on finding something as such. JMO.

There was discussion here on earlier threads about women's clothing being purchased on EBay. The logical suggestion was that the whole family used the same EBay account to buy clothes online.

However on second thoughts, unless CGE and VGE logged onto BRE's EBay account on separate computers (eg their own computer), I can't imagine BRE sharing his computer/s with his family if he was possibly using his computers for nefarious activities.
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[Canning Vale]

Regards to the taxi sighting on Pippidinny Road:

"The taxi had its headlights off as it turned off Pipidinny Rd, Eglinton, on to Wanneroo Rd in the pre-dawn darkness ... he (witness) was heading south on Wanneroo Rd, from Yanchep to his work site at Nollamara, when he saw the taxi begin turning out of Pipidinny Rd in front of him."

Does this mean that the taxi could have been coming from CG site (if the taxi was indeed connected)?

If this is the case, then there was a mention of someone sitting in the back seat.

In the event of this vehicle being connected to CSK and the murder of CG, who was in the back seat .. an accomplice?

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wes...h/news-story/b80af943b3f4b839a9956cdffd1aa3ab

Spinnaker,

I'll have to get out the map and really process the information. I thought the bricklayer may have seen the accused and CG in the back seat going to the d-site. Thinking the accused became spooked, because he didn't perform the "perhaps" signature (ie leaving them naked).

 

[petedavo.au]

So do we assume NO rape occurred if BRE NOT charged with sexual assault of JR and CG?

In the same vein, do we assume NO abduction occurred if BRE NOT charged with the abduction of JR and CG?

Do wilful murder charges also assume under the charge that the victim was abducted?

Does this mean WAPOL have NO evidence to insist JR and CG were abducted prior to be murdered?

Or does this indicate JR and CG willingly got into a vehicle with the accused BRE?

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You'll tend to find that only a Willful Murder charge is made and not lesser crimes committed in the commission of the Willful Murder, however they'd be used to demonstrate the Willfulness in the charge and the heinousness of the crime for sentencing purposes and it's open for judges or Juries to make a lesser finding anyway. So in the case of two victims only 2 charges listed of Willful Murder won't tell you much about how the crimes were commissioned.

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[Spooks-R-Us]

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/CICrimJust/2007/15.pdf

Wilful Murder

"While all Australian jurisdictions, aside from Western Australia, define
murder as unlawful killing with an intention either to kill or do grievous bodiiy harm Western Australia separates these two states of mind into distinct offences. Wilful murder requires an intention to kill, whereas murder is satisfied with an intention to do grievous bodily harm...
wilful murder and murder in Western Australia. Both offences carry the penalty of mandatory life imprisonment for adults. However, wilful murder has a further possible sentence of mandatory strict security life imprisonment (Criminal Code (WA) s282). The difference between the offences is also made clear by the minimum periods of detention which must be served before an offender will be eligible for release on parole. For murder the court must set a minimum of at least seven years but not more than 14 years imprisonment (Sentencing Act 1995 (WA) s90). The minimum period of detention in relation to wilful murder is more complex. Ifthe sentence is life imprisonment the minimum period is to be set between 15 and 19 years (Sentencing Act 1995 (WA) s90), where the sentence is strict security life imprisonment the minimum is raised to 20 and the maximum to 30 years (Sentencing Act 1995 (WA) s91 (1)). It is also possible for the court to order that the offender be imprisoned for their whole life if it is 'necessary to do so in order to meet lhe community's interest in punishment and deterrence' (Sentencing Act 1995 (WA) s91(3)). In order to detennine whether a person should be detained for their whole life the court is to take account of the circumstances of the commission of the offence and aggravating factors."



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[Spinnaker]

Spinnaker,

I'll have to get out the map and really process the information. I thought the bricklayer may have seen the accused and CG in the back seat going to the d-site. Thinking the accused became spooked, because he didn't perform the "perhaps" signature (ie leaving them naked).

Yes agree location and direction needs to be processed to assess likelihood of backseat passenger.


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[JudgeJudi]

RSBM

Have you been able to find a source that confirms the accused ever wore glasses?

Edwards appeared in the Supreme Court via video link from Hakea prison, dressed in prison greens and wearing glasses.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-...erial-killer-bradley-edwards-in-court/8396174

 

[no name]

Spooks,
No
No
No
Probably.
No.
IMO.

 

[petedavo.au]

Spooks,
No
No
No
Probably.
No.
IMO.

Agree. Won't know answers unless the Willful Murder charges go to trial, or until sentencing hearing if there's no trial

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[Spooks-R-Us]

Spooks,
No
No
No
Probably.
No.
IMO.

Noname - do you have a stutter? Lol Just kidding!
Which question of mine are you answering? I've been yabbering on a lot lately. [emoji38][emoji851]
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[Spooks-R-Us]

http://www.lrc.justice.wa.gov.au/_files/P97-ch02.pdf

Good reading re wilful murder, murder, and manslaughter charges in WA legal system.

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[petedavo.au]

Noname - do you have a stutter? Lol Just kidding!
Which question of mine are you answering? I've been yabbering on a lot lately. [emoji38][emoji851]
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It'll be this one that has 5 questions

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[ESH]

Apologies Spooks. Ive been a long term reader but am new to commenting on this site & still trying to work it out. Last night when trying to comment my posts kept disappearing. Was trying to reply to your comment about not needing to be naked to be raped

 

[JudgeJudi]

Apologies Spooks. Ive been a long term reader but am new to commenting on this site & still trying to work it out. Last night when trying to comment my posts kept disappearing. Was trying to reply to your comment about not needing to be naked to be raped

There are many WS members who have been having issues including the post disappearing when you hit Post. Try refreshing the page (F5) and you will probably see it.

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

It'll be this one that has 5 questions

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Thanks Pete.
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[Canning Vale]

So do we assume NO rape occurred if BRE NOT charged with sexual assault of JR and CG?

In the same vein, do we assume NO abduction occurred if BRE NOT charged with the abduction of JR and CG?

Do wilful murder charges also assume under the charge that the victim was abducted?

Does this mean WAPOL have NO evidence to insist JR and CG were abducted prior to be murdered?

Or does this indicate JR and CG willingly got into a vehicle with the accused BRE?

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I always thought the police charged a person with as much as they could. Perhaps they wanted to make it as easy as they could for the jury to convict. What about entering the Huntingdale home, stalking, deprivation of liberty and the varying levels of assault, like grievess bodily harm etc. Does anyone know how many years he'll get once all the charges are added up. I think it's 6 years for rape and 9 years for murder. What about the concurrent time served. It doesn't seem like many charges for all the grief he's caused. These are only my thoughts and opinion.

 

[Canning Vale]

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/CICrimJust/2007/15.pdf

Wilful Murder

"While all Australian jurisdictions, aside from Western Australia, define
murder as unlawful killing with an intention either to kill or do grievous bodiiy harm Western Australia separates these two states of mind into distinct offences. Wilful murder requires an intention to kill, whereas murder is satisfied with an intention to do grievous bodily harm...
wilful murder and murder in Western Australia. Both offences carry the penalty of mandatory life imprisonment for adults. However, wilful murder has a further possible sentence of mandatory strict security life imprisonment (Criminal Code (WA) s282). The difference between the offences is also made clear by the minimum periods of detention which must be served before an offender will be eligible for release on parole. For murder the court must set a minimum of at least seven years but not more than 14 years imprisonment (Sentencing Act 1995 (WA) s90). The minimum period of detention in relation to wilful murder is more complex. Ifthe sentence is life imprisonment the minimum period is to be set between 15 and 19 years (Sentencing Act 1995 (WA) s90), where the sentence is strict security life imprisonment the minimum is raised to 20 and the maximum to 30 years (Sentencing Act 1995 (WA) s91 (1)). It is also possible for the court to order that the offender be imprisoned for their whole life if it is 'necessary to do so in order to meet lhe community's interest in punishment and deterrence' (Sentencing Act 1995 (WA) s91(3)). In order to detennine whether a person should be detained for their whole life the court is to take account of the circumstances of the commission of the offence and aggravating factors."



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If the accused CSK is within the same league as CB he'll probably be due for parole (eventually). Alas, he probably be a 100 by then! :behindbar http://www.perthnow.com.au