Australia Australia - Corryn Rayney, 44, Como, WA, 7 August 2007

[Gemini Girl]

I agree with you Gemini Girl - this kind of crime seems to happen on a weekly basis in Australia now and too many 'wife killers' have been allowed to go free or have been released on appeal later, in my opinion.

Like you, I'm pretty sure the various states' police and lawyers are as sick of this occurring as most of the general public are and are learning from each other ways of perfecting their techniques of evidence collection and analysis so that when it comes to court they have water-tight cases.

I hope that GBC is shaking in his boots...thanks in part to the experience and knowledge police will have gained from this LR case.

JMO

Amen to that!

:banghead:

JMO MOO

 

[Dodo]

Welcome Dodo :welcome4:

I'm really surprised LR got out of the car at Kings Park (and stood under the only liquid amber tree in the park) knowing there would be cameras on him.

Perhaps he enjoys the attention? From what I've seen of him in photos he appears to be almost smirking whenever the camera is on him.

GBC had the same kind of semi-smiling expression in many of his pre-arrest photos,in my opinion.

IMO

Thanks for the welcome YN. Sorry I'm not Too helpful with actual linking etc as so unsavvy on computer, but have been intrigued with this case for some time now. I think to be fair, LR has a rather 'shifty countenance' at the best of times, but you saying he came into the store where you work and appeared cold and unfriendly certainly doesn't help form any better opinion of him. People can't help the way they look, but they can do a lot to project themselves as warm, caring individuals. He kinda seems to luck out in both cases. Just my own opinion.

 

[mouse detective]

This article just states that the WA DPP's image has been tarnished because of LR's alleged affairs with female members of the DPP and the allegation that a member of the WA DPP helped to organise the phone tap on Corinne.

It also explains that the trial is being managed by the NSW Department of Public Prosecutions and that the judge, Brian Martin, normally works in South Australia.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/na...smear-dpp-office/story-fndo486p-1226433149898

"The case against Mr Rayney is being handled by the New South Wales DPP because Mr Rayney once worked as a criminal prosecutor in WA.

The trial judge, Justice Brian Martin, has also been brought in from outside. He is South Australian and a former Northern Territory chief justice."

The trial resumes today (Tuesday 24th July) and will hear the testimonies of about 190 witnesses.

Thanks for this post YN - lots of information in that link about the DPP's position.

One thing I cannot stop thinking about is the "underworld character" that was questioned for 8 hours by Police. What is that link I wonder? I have been reading some MSM articles about the untouchables in this state and the high level connections one certain person has is remarkable.

Some interesting reading for those who don't know about the UnderWorld characters in this state.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/breaking/7282538/untouchable-unassailable-cult-figures/

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/newshome/7276033/hunted-kizon-stays-bulletproof/

Did Corryn discover that LR was involved in something highly illegal and touched on it in one of her phone calls?
I really wish that the police had managed to recover those recordings.


:moo:

 

[mouse detective]

First witness is Corryn's father - how awful this must be for him

 

[Gemini Girl]

Thanks for this post YN - lots of information in that link about the DPP's position.

One thing I cannot stop thinking about is the "underworld character" that was questioned for 8 hours by Police. What is that link I wonder? I have been reading some MSM articles about the untouchables in this state and the high level connections one certain person has is remarkable.

Some interesting reading for those who don't know about the UnderWorld characters in this state.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/breaking/7282538/untouchable-unassailable-cult-figures/

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/newshome/7276033/hunted-kizon-stays-bulletproof/

Did Corryn discover that LR was involved in something highly illegal and touched on it in one of her phone calls?
I really wish that the police had managed to recover those recordings.


:moo:

:rocker:

Thanks Mouse, I had forgotten the full extent of nefarious goings on in little ol Perth, lol

I think your idea that Corryn had found some link has merit as a real possibility.

Lots more to come out over the next few weeks no doubt

JMO MOO

 

[Gemini Girl]

First witness is Corryn's father - how awful this must be for him

My heart goes out to him

:cry:

JMO MOO

 

[mouse detective]

New News releases

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/newshome/14349630/rayneys-argued-all-the-time/

Mr Da Silva said Mrs Rayney told him in July that year that she had asked her husband to move out of the bedroom.

He said there were "arguments all the time", including differences of opinion about "how to bring up the kids, I think".

Earlier, Mr Da Silva described the early days of his daughter’s marriage to the man accused of her murder as “fairly normal”.

But Mr Da Silva said he expressed concerns about his son-in-law’s gambling as far back as the late 1990s.

Mr Da Silva, who is the first witness to be called in the prosecution’s case, described two separate incidents in which he became aware of Mr Rayney’s gambling.

After one of them Mr Da Silva said he told Mrs Rayney she should “be careful” in reference to Mr Rayney’s gambling.

He told the court that at the time of Mrs Rayney's death they were planning a holiday to Mauritius with her daughters, Sarah and Caitlyn, sister Sharon Coutinho and Mrs Coutinho's husband.

Mr Rayney was not going on the holiday, which was planned for the second week of October in 2007.



http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/first-witnesses-take-to-the-stand-in-rayney-murder-trial-20120724-22m43.html


On Friday August 3, 2007, Mrs Rayney allegedly rang her father and told him she'd received a "nasty letter" from Mr Rayney's family lawyer that was "threatening" in tone.

In a handwritten statement provided to police on August 9, Mr Da Silva said Mrs Rayney had told him she was meeting with Mr Rayney on August 7 to discuss a "new proposal for the girls" as part of their separation arrangements.

 

[Gemini Girl]

Thanks mouse for those great links

That poor man

JMO MOO

 

[mouse detective]

Thanks mouse, it seemed appropriate to my star sign (Gemini - the twins)

your feline friends are just gorgeous too!!

:smile:

JMO MOO

GG - decided it would be best to delete that last post - that image is available to my FB friends, one of whom is very closely connected to the Rayneys and may of course find this thread.

 

[Gemini Girl]

GG - decided it would be best to delete that last post - that image is available to my FB friends, one of whom is very closely connected to the Rayneys and may of course find this thread.

OK, thanks for the explanation. I thought a zealous mod had decided it was off topic! LOL

:floorlaugh:

JMO MOO

have deleted my response with the link, also

 

[mouse detective]

New Link

http://www.news.com.au/national/first-witness-to-stand-at-rayney-trial/story-fncynjr2-1226433157800?from=public_rss


He said Mr Rayney called him early in 2007 and told him he was concerned his wife did not love him any more and he wanted advice about what he should do for the sake of his daughters.

"I said he should do whatever it takes to make sure he continued living there and bringing up those girls,'' he said.

Mr Da Silva told the court Mr Rayney telephoned him for the first time in 17 years and left a message on August 8 2007, the day after Corryn was allegedly killed.

He said Mr Rayney told him Corryn was not at home or her office.

Mr Da Silva, who at first did not think anything was wrong, told him: "She must be somewhere. I don't think she wants to see you.''



Either bad reporting or her father contradicted himself. Mmmm I wonder if he took his father in laws advice and did whatever he had to do to ensure he continued to live in the house and bring up his daughters??

 

[Gemini Girl]

New Link

http://www.news.com.au/national/first-witness-to-stand-at-rayney-trial/story-fncynjr2-1226433157800?from=public_rss


He said Mr Rayney called him early in 2007 and told him he was concerned his wife did not love him any more and he wanted advice about what he should do for the sake of his daughters.

"I said he should do whatever it takes to make sure he continued living there and bringing up those girls,'' he said.

Mr Da Silva told the court Mr Rayney telephoned him for the first time in 17 years and left a message on August 8 2007, the day after Corryn was allegedly killed.

He said Mr Rayney told him Corryn was not at home or her office.

Mr Da Silva, who at first did not think anything was wrong, told him: "She must be somewhere. I don't think she wants to see you.''



Either bad reporting or her father contradicted himself. Mmmm I wonder if he took his father in laws advice and did whatever he had to do to ensure he continued to live in the house and bring up his daughters??

Hope he did not contradict himself, defence will seize on that.

:banghead:

JMO MOO

 

[Nads]

Interesting that LR allegedly rang C's dad but didn't ask if she was there.

 

[mouse detective]

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/newshome/14349630/rayneys-argued-all-the-time/

However, Mr Da Silva said Mr Rayney did not ask him if Mrs Rayney was with him. He said that was in contrast to previous phone conversations over the years, which had mostly consisted of Mr Rayney calling to ask if his wife was with Mr Da Silva.

Mr Da Silva said he told Mr Rayney: “I don’t think she wants to see you,” in reference to Mrs Rayney.

Mr Da Silva said he accompanied Mr Rayney to the police station to report Mrs Rayney missing. He told the court that outside the station Mr Rayney said “somebody made her do this”.

I just spotted this other conflicting report about LR calling his father -in -law. Also the last line I have bolded is interesting - the defence might use that to their advantage in some way. It is the sort of comment someone might make if they think their partner is playing a game of some kind.

 

[Gemini Girl]

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/newshome/14349630/rayneys-argued-all-the-time/

However, Mr Da Silva said Mr Rayney did not ask him if Mrs Rayney was with him. He said that was in contrast to previous phone conversations over the years, which had mostly consisted of Mr Rayney calling to ask if his wife was with Mr Da Silva.

Mr Da Silva said he told Mr Rayney: “I don’t think she wants to see you,” in reference to Mrs Rayney.

Mr Da Silva said he accompanied Mr Rayney to the police station to report Mrs Rayney missing. He told the court that outside the station Mr Rayney said “somebody made her do this”.

I just spotted this other conflicting report about LR calling his father -in -law. Also the last line I have bolded is interesting - the defence might use that to their advantage in some way. It is the sort of comment someone might make if they think their partner is playing a game of some kind.

I wonder mouse if he was suggesting that Corryn's father made her take action to challenge him on hiding things, and on future arrangements for their daughters, and that (implied) he had therefore had no alternative but to defend himself in some way (as he would probably see it)

Perhaps my imagination is running away with me here lol.

Very freudian twist to those few words IMO

JMO MOO

 

[Dodo]

For some reason, this case reminds me of the old hansel and gretal fairytale. Where the children leave a trail of pebbles to find their way out of the forest. In the rayney case, it was a trail of transmission fluid from the car where it was left parked for seven days all the way back to kings park, where the body was found. (karma, divine intervention?) And on top of this, somebody found a restaurant place name card with LR's name on it, from a dinner he had attended previously, 'before' the body was found, within 100 metres of the site. Unless it was a 'frame up', seriously, what are the chances of that card being nearby if it wasnt left there accidentally the night of the murder, probably in the millions to one! Sounds like GBC and LR could have quite a bit in common in the ole 'klutz'
department. Lol

 

[mouse detective]

I wonder mouse if he was suggesting that Corryn's father made her take action to challenge him on hiding things, and on future arrangements for their daughters, and that (implied) he had therefore had no alternative to defend himself in some way (as he would probably see it)

Perhaps my imagination is running away with me here lol.

Very freudian twist to those few words IMO

JMO MOO

Good thinking GG.

:cheers:

 

[Gemini Girl]

Respectfully snipped


Unless it was a 'frame up', seriously, what are the chances of that card being nearby if it wasnt left there accidentally the night of the murder, probably in the millions to one! Sounds like GBC and LR could have quite a bit in common in the ole 'klutz' department. Lol

BBM Bolded By Me

I fear the defence may seize on this as evidence it must have been a frame up (not your words Dodo, but the chances you describe)

Because being an almost QC, LR could not possibly be that much of a klutz etc etc...could he???

:maddening:

JMO MOO

Agree there are many similarities between the two alleged perps Dodo

BTW I wish somebody would add a barfing emoticon to the available list!

 

[mouse detective]

For some reason, this case reminds me of the old hansel and gretal fairytale. Where the children leave a trail of pebbles to find their way out of the forest. In the rayney case, it was a trail of transmission fluid from the car where it was left parked for seven days all the way back to kings park, where the body was found. (karma, divine intervention?) And on top of this, somebody found a restaurant place name card with LR's name on it, from a dinner he had attended previously, 'before' the body was found, within 100 metres of the site. Unless it was a 'frame up', seriously, what are the chances of that card being nearby if it wasnt left there accidentally the night of the murder, probably in the millions to one! Sounds like GBC and LR could have quite a bit in common in the ole 'klutz'
department. Lol

Actually on the first day in court the prosecutor used the "hansel and gretel" analogy and was rapped on the knuckles by the Judge - it did not go down well with him. I agree there are many similarities between GBC and LR. I think a few more on the GBC forum should come over to read how this is played out once it gets to court because all those questions start to get answered.

http://www.thestarfish.com.au/rayney-australias-most-riveting-murder-trial/
Mr Agius was chastised by Justice Martin when at one stage, he compared the trail of oil leaking from the car that took Corryn Rayney to her grave to a “Hansel and Gretel” trail of breadcrumbs. “That’s a very inappropriate comment,” said the judge, and counsel apologized, saying he was trying to find an analogy.

 

[Gemini Girl]

Actually on the first day in court the prosecutor used the "hansel and gretel" analogy and was rapped on the knuckles by the Judge - it did not go down well with him. I agree there are many similarities between GBC and LR. I think a few more on the GBC forum should come over to read how this is played out once it gets to court because all those questions start to get answered.

http://www.thestarfish.com.au/rayney-australias-most-riveting-murder-trial/
Mr Agius was chastised by Justice Martin when at one stage, he compared the trail of oil leaking from the car that took Corryn Rayney to her grave to a “Hansel and Gretel” trail of breadcrumbs. “That’s a very inappropriate comment,” said the judge, and counsel apologized, saying he was trying to find an analogy.

Judge having a "grumpy old man" day in my opinion!

Agree re those on GBC forum too mouse, so many parallels IMO

:moo:

JMO MOO