GUILTY Australia - Daniel Morcombe, 13, Woombye, QLD, 7 Dec 2003 - #1

[SapphireSteel]

Hell be off to whatever high security hell hole they have in Qld, stamped NTBR.

He will never see the light of day again. Theyll keep him in solitary then move him to the Freak unit along with the other rockspiders.

It s my wish they plàce him in gen pop but im sure someone will figure out a way to bash him ño matter how closely they monitor him.

 

[Fuskier]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/la...oned-in-victoria/story-fni0ffnk-1226854051521
TRUE CRIME SCENE
Undercover ‘Mr Big’ method used to catch Daniel Morcombe killer Brett Cowan honed in Victoria
JOSH ROBERTSON THE COURIER-MAIL MARCH 14, 2014 6:28AM
DANIEL Morcombe’s killer Brett Cowan was brought down by a cunning undercover police tactic perfected by Victorian cold case detectives...

Full praise for the POLICE undercover operation which involved three States: Victoria, QLD and WA Police.

Quoting the Crown Prosecutor:

Francene Norton ‏@francenenorton 22s
Mr Byrne says it's doubtful Cowan would've been caught without the undercover operation. #morcombe @abcnews

Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 5m
Byrne: It is doubtful he would have ever been caught had QPS not gone ahead with undercover operation. #morcombe

This effort by Police reinforces our sense of safety in the community, that criminals will be brought to justice. Our enormous thanks.

 

[SapphireSteel]

Very disappointed to read this could have been solved much, much earlier.

The Morecombes were terribly let down by the original investigation, it seems.

Cowan was a suspect from Day One, but no one checked his alibi.

The devil is in the details.

 

[MsAnais]

Very disappointed to read this could have been solved much, much earlier.

The Morecombes were terribly let down by the original investigation, it seems.

Cowan was a suspect from Day One, but no one checked his alibi.

The devil is in the details.

I agree, SapphireSteel. It sounds like LE got overly focused on the eye witness testimony about the blue car:

There was an understandable interest in the blue vehicle. There seemed to be an almost sort of blanket approach as far as locating the blue vehicle to the exclusion of other information.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-13/why-did-it-take-so-long-to-catch-daniel-morcombes/5319686

I understand it's easy to sit here in hindsight, but it does seem that a lot of investigations do get derailed when investigating officers get overly attached to one theory to the exclusion of all others. Tunnel vision.

I too wish they'd got him then, two weeks later. I just pray he hasn't harmed children in between Daniel's abduction and now. However, sadly it's likely that he has. These guys don't stop - and he's been offending compulsively since he was a child. It doesn't bode well.:facepalm:

 

[MsAnais]

Transcript & video at following link....

Why did it take so long to catch Daniel Morcombe's killer?

With Brett Peter Cowan found guilty of the murder of 13-year-old Daniel Morecombe in 2003, questions are being asked why it took so long, with one police insider telling 7.30 that investigators missed critical early opportunities to solve the crime.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-13/why-did-it-take-so-long-to-catch-daniel-morcombes/5319686

Thank you for posting this video Marly.

Every WSer should watch it - it's such a lucid example of what good liars these guys are. Cowan is being interviewed for a tv show, discussing his life, and he is absolutely charming. He's clean, clean-cut, attractive and Mr Nice. That is SO alarming to watch!!!

Equally alarming to me is that it is the judge who ultimately decides whether the odds are high that a sex offender will reoffend. Judges aren't trained in mental health. I know they receive the psych reports to help them decide - but the judge in his Darwin case decided to give him the "benefit of the doubt" :facepalm:. What the hell??!!

Because he was willing to undergo a Sex Offender Treatment programme. Those programmes are BS in my opinion. Just look at the recidivism rate. Of course he'd be willing to do it - he's a liar and would have lied his way through treatment, as they all do.

Very alarming in all ways!!!:scared:

 

[Fuskier]

Thank you for posting this video Marly.

Every WSer should watch it - it's such a lucid example of what good liars these guys are. Cowan is being interviewed for a tv show, discussing his life, and he is absolutely charming. He's clean, clean-cut, attractive and Mr Nice. That is SO alarming to watch!!!

Equally alarming to me is that it is the judge who ultimately decides whether the odds are high that a sex offender will reoffend. Judges aren't trained in mental health. I know they receive the psych reports to help them decide - but the judge in his Darwin case decided to give him the "benefit of the doubt" :facepalm:. What the hell??!!

Because he was willing to undergo a Sex Offender Treatment programme. Those programmes are BS in my opinion. Just look at the recidivism rate. Of course he'd be willing to do it - he's a liar and would have lied his way through treatment, as they all do.

Very alarming in all ways!!!:scared:

Wow Irisrising. About time someone articulated that our current treatment approach to Sex Offenders does not work! Well done. Sex Offenders Programs sound like a 'solution' for such hated, reviled human acts. BUT we don't seem to know what constitutes effective 'treatment' yet IMO. We may need to question: 'Do we have a full understanding of the depth of the drive/compulsion?' Sadly, it seems only to go into 'hiding' with current treatment approaches. These gross acts of sexual offending are complex in their genesis and their etiology is formed in the early development of the human being, often then reinforced during childhood and adolescence becoming deeply embedded in the character of the sex offender, only to become enacted upon innocent others. They become dangerous.

Maybe it is overly optomistic to think that character disorders can be changed or harms reduced as a result of some magical 'treatment'?
IMO some cannot be rehabilitated. We cannot undo 'formative years' and maybe it is omnipotent to think that 'therapy' or a brief exposure in 'Sex Offender Program' can do this IMO. We may need to accept that some characters remain dangerous for life and cannot be rehabilitated.

Fortunately, we keep learning and evolving better knowledge and understanding and work towards better treatment programs. End of rant! No apology. We do need to re-examine our approach to recidivist sex offenders both within The Law and current sex offender programs.
My opinion only.

 

[gregjrichards]

Thank you for posting this video Marly.

Every WSer should watch it - it's such a lucid example of what good liars these guys are. Cowan is being interviewed for a tv show, discussing his life, and he is absolutely charming. He's clean, clean-cut, attractive and Mr Nice. That is SO alarming to watch!!!

Equally alarming to me is that it is the judge who ultimately decides whether the odds are high that a sex offender will reoffend. Judges aren't trained in mental health. I know they receive the psych reports to help them decide - but the judge in his Darwin case decided to give him the "benefit of the doubt" :facepalm:. What the hell??!!

Because he was willing to undergo a Sex Offender Treatment programme. Those programmes are BS in my opinion. Just look at the recidivism rate. Of course he'd be willing to do it - he's a liar and would have lied his way through treatment, as they all do.

Very alarming in all ways!!!:scared:

IRISRISING - can I please ask you something as you are verified clinical psychologist how can a man like Cowan be sexually attracted to adult woman and have children of his own but also be attracted sexually to young boys or in other perps girls? How can a father with his own children do these things to someone else's child or even their own sometimes? I realize it may be a complex and difficult question to answer. I don't understand it and never will. I don't understand how an adult of either sex can feel a physical desire to do things sexually with a child. I feel physically sick and angry when I read cases here and in the news where children have been sexually assaulted and murdered.

Do you think anything can be done from a psychologists perspective to help prevent these monsters acting on their desires or can nothing be done?

 

[MsAnais]

Wow Irisrising. About time someone articulated that our current treatment approach to Sex Offenders does not work! Well done. Sex Offenders Programs sound like a 'solution' for such hated, reviled human acts. BUT we don't seem to know what constitutes effective 'treatment' yetIMO. Do we have a full understanding of the depth of the drive/compulsion? Sadly, it seems only to go into 'hiding' with current treatment approaches. These gross acts of sexual offending are complex in their genesis and their etiology is formed in the early development of the human being, often then reinforced during childhood and adolescence becoming deeply embedded in the character of the sex offender, only to become enacted upon innocent others.

Maybe it is overly optomistic to think that character disorders can be changed or harms reduced as a result of some magical 'treatment'? IMO some cannot be rehabilitated. We cannot undo 'formative years' and maybe it is omnipotent to think that 'therapy' or a brief exposure in 'Sex Offender Program' can do this IMO. We may need to accept that some characters are remain dangerous for life and cannot be rehabilitated.

Fortunately, we keep learning and evolving better knowledge and understanding and work towards better treatment programs. End of rant! No apology. We do need to re-examine our approach to recidivist sex offenders both within The Laws and treatment programs.
My opinion only.

Well said, Fuskier! And everything you've said is so true IMO.

You know, I usually feel compassion even for the offenders of crime as I understand they must have come from damaged childhoods to get to the point they have. But with someone like Cowan - and any paedophile really - I struggle big-time to feel it. And I really don't believe that someone like him can be rehabilitated.

And that sentence goes against everything I usually believe. I'm a humanistic psychologist - I believe that people have the potential to deeply heal their wounding and past traumas. But with repeat child sex offenders, I just don't have that faith.

And I don't even care what he's experienced. The psych in me understands that he is HIGHLY likely to have been sexually abused as a child himself and is now compulsively acting it out......but I couldn't care less about that in light of his disgusting behaviour.

Such a tricky situation with these guys.....what to do? Until we know definitively, I really think they do need to be incarcerated and just act it all out in their minds......

 

[MsAnais]

Irisrising can I ask you something as you are verified clinical psychologist how can a man like Cowan be sexually attracted to adult woman and have children of his own but also be attracted sexually to young boys or in other perps girls? How can a father with his own children do these things to someone else's child or even their own sometimes? I realize it may be a complex and difficult question to answer. I don't understand it and never will. I don't understand how an adult of either sex can feel a physical desire to do things sexually with a child. I feel physically sick and angry when I read cases here and in the news where children have been sexually assaulted and murdered.

Do you think anything can be done from a psychologists perspective to help prevent these monsters acting on their desires or can nothing be done?

Hi gregjrichards :seeya:

It is indeed a complex situation with these people. Basically, if someone is sexually abusing children there is a high probability that they have been sexually abused themselves. The often target children who are the age they were when the abuse started - but this is not always the case.

Cowan seems to be very indiscriminate with his targets - he has abused a child as young as 4, one MSM report stated, and then he's gone for Daniel who is a young teen. That is more unusual - as is the fact that he does not try to form emotional relationships with them - there is no grooming phase. He just snatches them for one-off encounters. One of the psych reports for Cowan comments on that.

In terms of the relationships with women - I don't know as I haven't assessed him. I assume that his primary sexual attraction is to male children. But he is able to have sex with adult women - I assume that is in order to fulfil his daily sexual needs. He sounds like an individual who is driven by his sexual drive IMO. And as the MSM reports are showing, his sexual relationships with the women were warped. It wouldn't surprise me if he was fantasising about children whilst having sex with women....(sorry, I know that's graphic :facepalm.

It's really hard to fathom, I know. He's acting compulsively out of a deep pathology, basically. JMO

 

[Fuskier]

Friday 14th March 2014 Day 21 of Daniel Morcombe Trial: Sentencing of Brett Cowan, convicted of murder of Daniel Morcombe by Justice Atkinson

Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 38s
Brett Peter Cowan will be sentenced today for the murder of Daniel Morcombe.

Tegan George ‏@tegangeorge 1h
#Morcombe: Brett Peter Cowan will be sentenced today. Time yet to be determined @tennewsqld

Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 43s
@KateKyriacou Not sure yet. There is an application before the court at 10am and it will be some time after that.

Matt Macklin ‏@Matt_Macklin456 1h
The Justice Dept confirms Brett Peter Cowan will be sentenced today for the murder of Daniel #Morcombe @abcnews via @shelleymlloyd

 

[Fuskier]

Josh Bavas ‏@JoshBavas 1h
Police Comm. Ian Stewart says Daniel Morcombe murder investigation was "unprecedented in 150 year history of QPS". pic.twitter.com/yBOiNmAjqf

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bio3dL3CEAEv916.jpg

Josh Bavas ‏@JoshBavas 1h
Qld Police Commissioner says investigators were dealing with multiple false admissions. #Morcombe

ABC Radio Brisbane ‏@612brisbane 1h
So @CoPStewart tells @612brisbane @abcgoldcoast it's unlikely that anyone will be prosecuted for a false confession in the #morcombe case

ABC News ‏@abcnews 33m
Police in charge of the Daniel #Morcombe investigation have defended the time it took to catch killer Brett Cowan http://ab.co/1ko1gqj

 

[Fuskier]

Christopher Dore ‏@wrongdorey 11h
A tale too shocking to fathom. The definitive account of the vile man behind Qld's most notorious crime #couriermail pic.twitter.com/FTnLZiOgdY

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BimuIjtCcAEa72r.jpg (See two images of Cowan, the image depicting the psychopath within the man IMO).

 

[Fuskier]

John Laws Show 2SM ‏@JohnLawsShow2SM 7m
John just spoke to forensic psychologist Bob Montgomery about the #Morcombe trial. Listen back to it at http://2smsupernetwork.com/ #2SM

 

[Fuskier]

Emmy Kubainski ‏@emmykubainski 1m
Brett Cowan's defence lawyers have arrived at the Brisbane Supreme Ct. @7NewsBrisbane #morcombe

 

[Fuskier]

http://m.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/for-the-morcombes-the-after-time-begins-20140313-34pty.html

For the Morcombes, the After Time begins
Amy Remeikis March 14, 2014

"It was the sort of photo parents take all the time.
A family gathering. Happy children. Lips wet with sugary water, bellies full.
A boy, caught in that moment between childhood and the angst of teendom, turned to the camera with his glass of cordial. The camera clicked. He finished his drink. Life went on...
But for the rest of us, Daniel James Morcombe was captured in that photo. Everything he was, from his contented grin, to the kindness in his eyes, was frozen.
In that photo, the one used in news reports, missing posters and police bulletins, Daniel Morcombe was the face of every well-loved child"...
"After December 7, 2003, he became the reason Queensland parents held their children closer. If Daniel, with his coastal country upbringing, safe neighbourhood and loving family could go missing, what child was safe?... (well worth a read IMO)

 

[Fuskier]

Nine News Brisbane ‏@9NewsBrisbane 59s
Defence and prosecution have arrived in court ahead of judge's decision on media application to film #Cowan's sentence #9News #Morcombe

M*O*L*K ‏@MolksTVTalk 1m
Justice Atkinson considering to allow a camera inside the court for her sentencing. #Morcombe

TEN News Queensland ‏@tennewsqld 46s
#MORCOMBE: The defence and prosecution have arrived back at court. Waiting to hear on judge's decion on allowing media to film sentencing.

 

[Fuskier]

Laura Dymock ‏@LauraDymock 1m
Woombye all in red for Daniel #Morcombe @7localnewssc pic.twitter.com/7wSpgqQanY

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BipXGa3CcAA4JVf.jpg

 

[gregjrichards]

Hi gregjrichards :seeya:

It is indeed a complex situation with these people. Basically, if someone is sexually abusing children there is a high probability that they have been sexually abused themselves. The often target children who are the age they were when the abuse started - but this is not always the case.

Cowan seems to be very indiscriminate with his targets - he has abused a child as young as 4, one MSM report stated, and then he's gone for Daniel who is a young teen. That is more unusual - as is the fact that he does not try to form emotional relationships with them - there is no grooming phase. He just snatches them for one-off encounters. One of the psych reports for Cowan comments on that.

In terms of the relationships with women - I don't know as I haven't assessed him. I assume that his primary sexual attraction is to male children. But he is able to have sex with adult women - I assume that is in order to fulfil his daily sexual needs. He sounds like an individual who is driven by his sexual drive IMO. And as the MSM reports are showing, his sexual relationships with the women were warped. It wouldn't surprise me if he was fantasising about children whilst having sex with women....(sorry, I know that's graphic :facepalm.

It's really hard to fathom, I know. He's acting compulsively out of a deep pathology, basically. JMO

Hi and many thanks to you Isisrising for taking the time to provide such an informative and detailed reply. I already believed these monsters could not be re-habilitated and your explanation backs this up. It is hard to understand why some people who are abused and suffering because of it go on to do the same to another person. I wonder if Cowan would still be sexually attracted to children if he he had not been abused himself. Obviously the fact Cowan was abused does not excuse what he has done to Daniel and other children and I hope the judge does not take any pity on him because of this.

 

[Fuskier]

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...bes-the-after-time-begins-20140313-34pty.html

For the Morcombes, the After Time begins
March 14, 2014 - 12:01AM by Amy Remeikis

Full article. Excellent. Also contains Video: 'THE DANIEL MORCOMBE STORY'
A look back at the abduction of Daniel Morcombe and the ten year hunt to find his killer

 

[Fuskier]

Triple M Brisbane ‏@TripleMBrisbane 2m
Delays in sentencing for Daniel #Morcombe murder - Cowan still en route to Supreme Court. No sign of Bruce & Denise #newsroom #RIPDaniel