GUILTY Australia - Daniel Morcombe, 13, Woombye, QLD, 7 Dec 2003 - #1

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M*O*L*K ‏@MolksTVTalk 2m
Judge Atkinson has allowed a camera to be in the courtroom for the Cowan sentencing. No word as to when sentencing will be. #Morcombe

Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 6m
@MolksTVTalk No she hasn't. She will hear that application this morning.

M*O*L*K ‏@MolksTVTalk 4m
@KateKyriacou My apologies - I thought I heard a reporter say that the application had been heard/approved.

M*O*L*K ‏@MolksTVTalk 26s
It seems the application to have a camera in court is still to be heard (I thought I heard it had been heard and approved(!)). #Morcombe

 

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Tanya Chilcott ‏@TanyaChilcott 1m
Superb writing & unparalleled coverage in The @couriermail 16 page report today on the Daniel #Morcombe case. pic.twitter.com/hDGhlaWG9Z

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Tanya Chilcott ‏@TanyaChilcott 1m
Superb writing & unparalleled coverage in The @couriermail 16 page report today on the Daniel #Morcombe case. pic.twitter.com/hDGhlaWG9Z

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BipcvBXCYAEDPVN.jpg

 

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Nine News Brisbane ‏@9NewsBrisbane 39s
Judge's associate has entered the courtroom #9News #Cowan #Morcombe

 

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Sophie Walsh ‏@sophie_walsh9 1m
35 minute delay in Cowan sentencing - judge to decide whether to let cameras into courtroom for sentencing @9NewsBrisbane #morcombe

 

[Strangeworld]

Thank you for posting this video Marly.

Every WSer should watch it - it's such a lucid example of what good liars these guys are. Cowan is being interviewed for a tv show, discussing his life, and he is absolutely charming. He's clean, clean-cut, attractive and Mr Nice. That is SO alarming to watch!!!

Equally alarming to me is that it is the judge who ultimately decides whether the odds are high that a sex offender will reoffend. Judges aren't trained in mental health. I know they receive the psych reports to help them decide - but the judge in his Darwin case decided to give him the "benefit of the doubt" :facepalm:. What the hell??!!

Because he was willing to undergo a Sex Offender Treatment programme. Those programmes are BS in my opinion. Just look at the recidivism rate. Of course he'd be willing to do it - he's a liar and would have lied his way through treatment, as they all do.

Very alarming in all ways!!!:scared:

Beautifully said!! Agree wholeheartedly, Isis!
BBM - judges seem ignorant of the recidivism rates - or they choose the rights on a perpetrator over potential future victims. I find this abhorrent. There needs to be more done to make judges, particularly those responsible for bail applications and parole hearings, accountable.

 

[MsAnais]

Hi and many thanks to you Isisrising for taking the time to provide such an informative and detailed reply. I already believed these monsters could not be re-habilitated and your explanation backs this up. It is hard to understand why some people who are abused and suffering because of it go on to do the same to another person. I wonder if Cowan would still be sexually attracted to children if he he had not been abused himself. Obviously the fact Cowan was abused does not excuse what he has done to Daniel and other children and I hope the judge does not take any pity on him because of this.

Hi :seeya: I just want to say that treating sex offenders is not my specialty - my experience is with the victims of paedophiles.

I am now in private practice with adults, but the bulk of my work prior to this was with children and adolescents in the welfare sector. I did not have one client who hadn't been sexually abused, unfortunately :facepalm:

I just wanted to clarify that. Everything I've stated is MOO. A psychologist who actually works with sex offenders may have a far more sympathetic opinion toward them......

I just looked up some studies regarding Sex Offender Treatment Programme efficacy and there are a lot of grey areas in the data due to small sample sizes and - in what I see as a major flaw - the fact that they only count recidivism as occurring if the abuser formally re-enters the criminal justice system. So all of those paedophiles reoffending without getting caught are not counted in the recidivism rates! Dodgy IMO. But even with that flaw, the recidivism rates are not promising.

These guys are cunning. And so many victims are loathe to come forward. But it's impossible to measure those re-offenders who don't get caught again, obviously :banghead:

 

[Strangeworld]

Hi gregjrichards :seeya:

It is indeed a complex situation with these people. Basically, if someone is sexually abusing children there is a high probability that they have been sexually abused themselves. The often target children who are the age they were when the abuse started - but this is not always the case.

Cowan seems to be very indiscriminate with his targets - he has abused a child as young as 4, one MSM report stated, and then he's gone for Daniel who is a young teen. That is more unusual - as is the fact that he does not try to form emotional relationships with them - there is no grooming phase. He just snatches them for one-off encounters. One of the psych reports for Cowan comments on that.

In terms of the relationships with women - I don't know as I haven't assessed him. I assume that his primary sexual attraction is to male children. But he is able to have sex with adult women - I assume that is in order to fulfil his daily sexual needs. He sounds like an individual who is driven by his sexual drive IMO. And as the MSM reports are showing, his sexual relationships with the women were warped. It wouldn't surprise me if he was fantasising about children whilst having sex with women....(sorry, I know that's graphic :facepalm.

It's really hard to fathom, I know. He's acting compulsively out of a deep pathology, basically. JMO

I think I read something last night that suggested Cowan liked to 'relive' his deviance with his adult female partner/s? I think the sexual relations with women were less about intimacy and more about a physical outlet for his sexual frustration, as well as an opportunity to engage in fantasies about what he had already done to young boys, and what he maybe wished to do to other young boys. Makes me sick thinking about it. His partners are victims here too - imagine knowing you had been intimate with a man like that. Horrifying.

 

[MsAnais]

I think I read something last night that suggested Cowan liked to 'relive' his deviance with his adult female partner/s? I think the sexual relations with women were less about intimacy and more about a physical outlet for his sexual frustration, as well as an opportunity to engage in fantasies about what he had already done to young boys, and what he maybe wished to do to other young boys. Makes me sick thinking about it. His partners are victims here too - imagine knowing you had been intimate with a man like that. Horrifying.

Oh, I know :facepalm: For a woman to be attracted to a man like him, all has not been well in her childhood.

I feel for them - you're right Strangeworld. They are his victims too - deeply wounded women who subconsciously seek out an abusive partner to reinforce their low opinion of themselves. I really think they shouldn't have published his wife's photo. Deeply unfair to her.

 

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Nine News Brisbane ‏@9NewsBrisbane 22s
Defence team have just asked bailiff if they can have a word to #Cowan #9News #Morcombe

Nine News Brisbane ‏@9NewsBrisbane 42s
Brett #Cowan has walked into courtroom. He's speaking to his lawyers #9News #Morcombe


Clare Hunter ‏@clarephunter 52s
#Cowan enters court smiles at lawyers and sits. Sentencing to begin soon @WINNews_SCoast #Morcombe

 

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Nine News Brisbane ‏@9NewsBrisbane 37s
Judge has arrived in court #9News #Morcombe #Cowan

Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 49s
Brett Cowan has been brought into court. #morcombe

 

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Day 21 Court resumed:

Francene Norton ‏@francenenorton 56s
Court has resumed. Brett Cowan in dock. Judge ruling on media application to film sentence. #morcombe @abcnews

7News Brisbane ‏@7NewsBrisbane 22s
Judge hearing application for cameras inside court for Cowan sentence says she wants to be cautious . #Morcombe

Francene Norton ‏@francenenorton 8s
Application was made by tv networks and Qld Newspapers. Was opposed by DPP and defence. #morcombe @abcnews

Sarah Elks ‏@sarahelks 54s
Justice Atkinson ruling on whether Cowan sentence can be televised. She already denied media app to televise verdict. #morcombe

 

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Sarah Elks ‏@sarahelks 57s
Atkinson: filming a sentence has never been done in QLD before. #morcombe

Francene Norton ‏@francenenorton 1m
Filming of sentencing has never been done in Qld before. Judge says she has to make decision on principle, practice. #morcombe @abcn

Nine News Brisbane ‏@9NewsBrisbane 37s
Judge addressing application to allow cameras into courtroom for sentencing. Would be first time in state's history #9News #Morcombe #Cowan

Francene Norton ‏@francenenorton 15s
Justice Roslyn Atkinson looks to 2 decisions in Victoria, in 1995 and 2007. #morcombe @abcnews

Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 10s
We're not hearing the sentencing yet. The judge is making a decision on a media access application. #morcombe

Francene Norton ‏@francenenorton 47s
Also NSW Practice Direction in Dec 2009. #morcombe @abcnews

Tegan George ‏@tegangeorge 1m
#Morcombe: Judge making decision on allowing cameras in court for sentencing. It would be 1st time in Qld history @tennewsqld

 

[Strangeworld]

I'm sitting on the edge of my chair waiting for this sentencing. I soooo hope the judge gets it right.

Thanks everyone for the updates!

 

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Francene Norton ‏@francenenorton 22s
Justice Atkinson says while she's personally in favour, has ruled against media application. #morcombe @abcnews

Sarah Elks ‏@sarahelks 31s
Atkinson: I might personally be in favour of televising; but it wouldn't be appropriate for sentencing to be televised #morcombe

Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 37s
Justice Atkinson says she does not want Cowan's sentencing to be filmed. #morcombe

Francene Norton ‏@francenenorton 49s
Justice Atkinson says there are no standardised procedures in Qld. #morcombe @abcnews

 

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Francene Norton ‏@francenenorton 26s
Justice Atkinson says she doesn't think it would be appropriate to allow sentencing to be broadcast on ad hoc basis. #morcombe @abcnews

Francene Norton ‏@francenenorton 3m
Justice Atkinson says while she's personally in favour, has ruled against media application. #morcombe @abcnews

Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 31s
Justice Atkinson: "I do not think that it would be appropriate for me to allow the sentencing remarks to be recorded on this adhoc basis."

Sarah Elks ‏@sarahelks 41s
Justice Ros Atkinson has denied media application to televise sentence of Daniel Morcombe's murderer Brett Cowan #morcombe

Tegan George ‏@tegangeorge 51s
#Morcombe: Judge doesn't think it is appropriate to allow sentencing remarks to be recorded - does not want any delays @tennewsqld

 

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Francene Norton ‏@francenenorton 25s
Now waiting for Morcombe family to arrive for sentencing of Brett Cowan. Short adjournment. #morcombe @abcnews

TEN News Queensland ‏@tennewsqld 1m
#MORCOMBE: Court has been briefly adjourned to wait for the #Morcombe family to arrive for the sentencing of Brett #Cowan. #EyewitnessNews

 

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Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 1m
Court has been adjourned temporarily to give the Morcombe family time to arrive before Cowan is sentenced.

Josh Bavas ‏@JoshBavas 2m
Sentence of Brett Peter Cowan is expected to occur after short adjournment.

 

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Very emotional day for the Morcombe family. Our thoughts are with you. :grouphug:

:scale: Justice is about to be meted out.

 

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Michael Coombes ‏@MichaelCoombes 1m
Pemier Campbell Newman has thanked police and paid tribute to the Morcombes. He says they're an inspiration. #morcombe @7NewsBrisbane