Australia - Frances Crawford 49, found dead after suspicious lawn mower accident in Queensland.

[Trooper]

Thanks South !

Yes I do recall that option being available.

Poor Frances, maybe she tried to get her phone off him

That would do it. He lived and died by the phone. He would see that as his oxygen being cut off.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I meant that maybe he prevented her from calling for help. Maybe he took her phone off her.

 

[Warwick7]

I wonder if Signal had been installed on her phone prior to the night she died? Or, if he was manipulating info as alleged, did he install Signal on her phone, then send the potentially faked messages? (I can believe he would have had Signal on his phone for a long time since he had multiple affairs.)

Blood found in en suite after police investigated ‘lawn mower accident’

An RAAF pilot who allegedly killed his wife but told police she died in a late-night lawnmower accident has applied for bail.

www.brisbanetimes.com.au

I do think he's a flight risk. He's being described as a master manipulator, he has military knowledge/training that might be handy in knowing how to escape or evade detection, and he's a pilot. I sure hope he is refused bail. Imo.

Flight risk yes indeed!!

 

[Marg944]

“The court heard Mr Crawford had multiple affairs during their marriage, and at the time of Mrs Crawford's death, the pair had been trying to reconcile after a period of separation where he did not live at the house.

It heard he had been staying there on a short "probationary period" which was due to end that month when he was expected to sit a polygraph test.”

Man allegedly staged wife's murder as lawnmower accident, court hears

A Lockyer Valley man accused of killing his wife in a "murderous rage" allegedly staged the crime scene and sent text messages to himself to make it look like an accident, a court has heard.

www.abc.net.au

 

[musicaljoke]

for those who didnt read the DM article linked in post #1, this was the lawnmower towed from the property and presumably the one involved.

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Well! I was envisioning a large tractor mower with an extended arm blade such as one might have used years ago on a farm to cut hay. But, I am just on page one of this thread ... I realize there is much more to this dreadful incident and will read on.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Was he going to take a polygraph to try and prove that he wasn't having an affair or affairs.
I've never heard of that as a thing.

Maybe he knew he wouldn't pass the test

 

[musicaljoke]

What kind of a husband if innocent even thinks about going to have a shower with their wife lying there probably or possibly dead.

Well, the emergency responders will be coming along shortly, doncha know, and one must look good.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Oh yes, just in case there was a "hot" female amongst them.

 

[Warwick7]

“The court heard Mr Crawford had multiple affairs during their marriage, and at the time of Mrs Crawford's death, the pair had been trying to reconcile after a period of separation where he did not live at the house.

It heard he had been staying there on a short "probationary period" which was due to end that month when he was expected to sit a polygraph test.”

Man allegedly staged wife's murder as lawnmower accident, court hears

A Lockyer Valley man accused of killing his wife in a "murderous rage" allegedly staged the crime scene and sent text messages to himself to make it look like an accident, a court has heard.

www.abc.net.au

What's the polygraph about? They sure left us hanging.

The court also heard trace DNA of Mr Crawford was found under all of Mrs Crawford's fingernails...

 

[TootsieFootsie]

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[TootsieFootsie]

Learn something new every so often.
Re Lie Detector Tests.

I had no idea.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

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[SouthAussie]

Was he going to take a polygraph to try and prove that he wasn't having an affair or affairs.
I've never heard of that as a thing.

Maybe he knew he wouldn't pass the test

You know the trust is completely gone when a polygraph is the best course of action, from a marital counselling standpoint. imo

I wish the judge had just granted an AVO when requested.



"Investigators shortly after her death revealed they will allege officers had attended an incident at the property in July last year.

Police will allege the incident prompted Ms Crawford to apply for an interim protection order while she sought an Apprehended Violence Order (AVO).

However, the AVO was denied in court and the interim order overturned, police will allege.

Police will also allege that following that incident the couple had engaged the services of a marriage counsellor."

New details emerge after RAAF pilot accused of murdering his wife

Robert Crawford, 47, allegedly killed his wife Frances, 49, at their rural property in Upper Lockyer, south-east Queensland , at 3.40am on July 30.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[BreakingNews]

Poor poor Frances, she certainly fought for her life

That is what Allison Baden Clay did. A good reminder to us all. If in trouble, scratch their face with your fingernails if you can.

 

[Trooper]

Crikey... a polygraph! Seems to me like he didn't want to leave the marital home. He just wanted to flit around AND live at home with the wife.. He seemed pretty concerned that she would put an AVO on him, this would be notified to the RAAF, no doubt. Like Gerard, his professional facade has to be maintained, no matter who or what it costs... But she had hers to maintain , as well.

The kids thought he was a master manipulator.. I trust those kid's judgement on this, life for them must have been a sort of eggshell life, treading very carefully and quietly every day..

If only she had packed up the kids and SCRAMMED to Tasmania,, no note, just GO..

 

[Marg944]

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The kids thought he was a master manipulator.. I trust those kid's judgement on this, life for them must have been a sort of eggshell life, treading very carefully and quietly every day..

Seems one of the family at least may have made their feelings known about granting parole to the master manipulator…. Perhaps that is what their affidavit was regarding.

Although the initials are the same as one of the children, the initials could also be for Crawford’s father who was apparently going to put up bail money. I don’t know Crawford’s fathers initials.

 

[Bear13]

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Seems one of the family at least may have made their feelings known about granting parole to the master manipulator…. Perhaps that is what their affidavit was regarding.

Although the initials are the same as one of the children, the initials could also be for Crawford’s father who was apparently going to put up bail money. I don’t know Crawford’s fathers initials.


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I think I may have seen in an article somewhere that RC's father was called John (RC's middle name). I think the article was about his parents being school teachers in Central QLD. I maybe wrong

 

[BreakingNews]

What's the polygraph about? They sure left us hanging.

The court also heard trace DNA of Mr Crawford was found under all of Mrs Crawford's fingernails...

Always use your fingernails, ladies

 

[Kemug]

I am seriously wondering if Frances was indeed killed in the ensuite bathroom. I am thinking that he may have chased her through the house. I'm pretty sure that if I was being chased by someone, probably/possibly holding a weapon, I would head for a bathroom. Because in a normal Australian home, in my experience, bathrooms are the only rooms which can be locked (from the inside). IIRC, the mother in the Fall City family massacre was first shot in the bedroom, then in the ensuite. She managed to get into it, but couldn't get it locked in time. I can vaguely recall another example somewhere, I think.
I can picture Frances running for her life through the house, and him catching up with her - hence the injury on the back of her head. I can't think of something suitable that could be snatched up in a bedroom or bathroom, hence I think that whatever the weapon was, he was chasing her through the home with it. MOO

 

[Kemug]

What kind of a husband if innocent even thinks about going to have a shower with their wife lying there probably or possibly dead.

Well, IMO he tried to wash away all the blood in the bathroom, he mightn't even have got wet.