Australia Australia- Jane, 9, Arnna, 7, & Grant Jr., 4, Beaumont, 26 January 1966

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The people of Australia have never stopped looking for the Beaumont children.

When Jane, 9, Arnna, 7, and Grant Jr., 4, disappeared without a trace on Jan. 26, 1966, it changed the whole tenor of a nation. Parents who didn't think twice about letting their kids go out to play unsupervised, or in the Beaumonts' case, hop on a bus for a five-minute ride to the local beach, were suddenly terrified.

And anyone who was around to absorb the shock of what happened never really got over it. Not least because no one ever found out what, exactly, happened. Though investigators have certainly had their theories and found certain people of interest more interesting than others, the case remains open to this day.

It was the morning of Australia Day when Nancy Beaumont entrusted her reliably responsible eldest child, Jane ("She's got the brain of a girl of 15," her father later told reporters), with taking her younger siblings to nearby Glenelg Beach. Just the day before, they had made the short trip back from the beach to their home in the Adelaide suburb of Somerton Park on their own.
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I know the case well, but can't really offer any insights.
 
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I thought we had a thread already devoted to this case?
 
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HI all-
I admit i originally prepped this post for a forum that I could not figure out how to register for- I am an old Websleuths member so decided to post here. Apologize if the flow is not totally right, but maybe it can get this thread going.

I heard about this case years ago, but I am new to the forum and just go really engaged with this in the last few days.

I think it was really important that for the man to effectively manipulate Jane, he had to have insight into her point of view and had to have worked all along the way under the guise that he supported and understood her responsibility and her ethics. In other words, for Jane to trust the man, he must have said things like “oh, its really important for you to get home on time”, “you don’t want to worry your mom”, etc. I believe that he kept this up until the very last step in the following scenario:

  • The “where’s the money gone to?” was a ruse that ended in the children finding a planted one pound note. The scene reminds me of the common ruse where kids are sent to find a lost puppy. I believe that he took their money when they were not looking. I believe he pretended that his money was also missing. The witness quotes from the elderly people seem to support this. I believe the fact that he engaged others in the ruse was to make it believable to the children and make it feel like a really fun game. Then, the children FIND the 1 pound note. I believe its likely he planted it under their belongings. Because the children had found his money, they were entitled to some of it, like a reward. This was a cultural “thing” back then with even episodes here on American television with children finding money and then being given part of it as a reward. This is why they were encouraged to buy more food to take home for later as an extra treat, and this is perhaps why Jane felt comfortable spending a large sum given to her by an adult. The fact that she considered him a friend would actually make it even more unlikely she would accept money from him. Do you remember this growing up? Even after helping an adult, we were told to refuse money. I remember this clearly. But I would have accepted it if it was framed as a reward.
  • The children did not intend to buy lunch. It has been said in many postings that was their intent. I read that the mother said that she rushed home from her friend’s house by noon to make lunch for the children. The bakery was where they were to buy only a small snack, maybe a drink (carrying water bottles not a thing back then). It was bloody hot. The large amount of food tells me that they were told they should buy more by the man. Remember that the children thought they were going home to a mom and food, and well-brought up kids were taught not to “spoil” their meals. But the kidnapper knew they were going somewhere ELSE, and he had four hungry and thristy mouths to feed, including his own, until he sadly killed the children. To Jane, the snack turned into a grand lunch to bring home to mum, because it was their reward. To the kidnapper, it was a practical necessity.
  • The children last being sighted by the bakery, right near the bus stop, tells me that Jane 100% intended to board that bus. It’s the obvious. Even if she trusted this man, she knew that her real responsibility was to get home to mother and prove herself responsible. Even though kids had more freedom back then, they also had much stricter sense of “curfew” than we have now. I think this was what made this culture of freedom work and made parents feel more safe. However, her dilemma was that she needed to bring him the change. Again, a cultural expectation for a well-brought up girl would be to give back change immediately. Keeping it would be stealing! That may have trumped catching the bus. But where was the man?
  • The man temporarily disappeared to force them to miss the bus. I believe that the group all left Collier Reserve to go to the bakery TOGETHER after the man came out of the changing room. He told them that they could buy a nice feast for mom and then board the bus. Again, Jane was not totally naïve and needed to keep hearing things that supported her values in order to feel safe. He needed to keep her trust and work with the assumption that she was a very good girl and could just leave if she started feeling uncomfortable. However, he pretended to forget something back at the reserve and dropped back from the children. This is how he forced them to miss the bus. He says to them to go ahead, he will catch up with them at the bakery, but they should hurry along so they have time to get the treats. When the children come out of the bakery, the man is missing. They miss the bus and are looking around for him.
  • The man appears in his car alongside the children, surprising Jane. Since she did not expect this, she has little time to process it and act sensibly. It is bloody hot and her brother is four years old and the walk would be unbearable at noontime. She makes a terrible decision and gets in the car. He probably says its safer for them not to walk in such heat. To the bitter end, Jane was protective and may have thought it was the better choice. Also remember that at the time it was much more acceptable than it is today to catch a ride with someone. Hitchhiking was in fashion until the late 70s.

  • My thoughts about the man:
  • He is not from the immediate vicinity but lives in Adelaide area. These young children were spotted by THREE people who knew them by name: the postman, the bakery person and Jane’s school friend. They were little children who lived in the next neighborhood to the south, not directly at the beach. The likelihood of a male homeowner from the immediate vicinity (such as Phipps) not being recognized is therefore ZERO. If the perp had not spend time with them, then I woud be behind the hyper local perp theory. If the perp was from far out of town, he would have had to deal with a lodging check-out. Even if he thought of kidnapping children on his last day, its likely that the right kids at the right time would have to appear to him. It would be hard to conceal the kidnap of kids in a hotel/motel room. So this all points to a relatively local perp who could go to Adelaide on a day trip but feel confidant no one would recognize him by name.
  • I don’t think Phipps looks like the sketch. I don’t think his face is thin.
  • I believe Phipps son Hayden had a true hunch that he could be involved, but his interviews are just totally inconsistent and therefore not credible. I think he gradually added details, even if under a true and honest initial belief. But like I said above, no hyper local perp would be seen all over with those kids. No way.
  • the fact that the perp understood Jane's worldview so well tells me he was probably a father with a middle-class family. Maybe recently separated/divorced. I believe Jane was his "object" because he must have had to be really inside her head to pull this off. Also, since he helped dress her - and could have skipped that if he was more interested in the little ones.
  • the kids were at the beach the day before with their father, and he did not report that they had interacted with a man. I believe the perp met these kids for the first time that day and gained their trust rapidly.
 
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Since my last post, continued research and some new thoughts.

The timings of the witness sightings are inexact and involve ranges. However, under the assumption that Jane planned to get home on the bus at noon to get home for lunch and please mom (why wouldn't she?) and the kidnapper wanted the simplest abduction (why wouldn't he?), the following makes most sense.

1) Kids take bus from stop at Diagonal Road to stop on Mosesly St. nearest Geleng beach, (a 27 minute walk back according to google). Time unimportant as we know its undisputed that they got on bus and arrived as expected.
2) Kids are seen coming off beach and heading onto Collier Reserve, the grassy area just of the beach and where there are "sprinklers" to wash off sand (I'm american and its unclear if this means they used lawn sprinklers normally for irrigation or if this is a slang for showers installed near beach for the purpose of sand removal on people?)
3) Children seen interacting with the man and playing with towels
4) Man asks if anyone has been seen messing with their stuff as money is missing. Unclear if this is before or after dressing, but its logical that if he has planned to somehow control them financially, this would happen first. The dressing fits with a "leaving" scenario after the four of them have made some type of plan together.
5) Kids are seen being dressed by man. Again, the fact he dresses Jane and Arnna and not just Grant leads me to believe the girls are his "object" as he could have ignored them and focused on Grant since they do not need help at their ages. This is important because I believe that a multiple child perp is very rare, but Australia sees three of these in a one decade span, starting with this one, all involving multiple little girls.
6) He goes to the changing room and they wait outside. It does not sound like there was much changing for him to do, but I'm thinking this was also a restroom. This could also have been a way for him to delay things to cause them to miss the bus. They don't have watches and may have relied on him to check the public clock.
7) The man tells a white lie that he forgot something back on the grass, and instead gets his car from its parking location, which he probably secured by arriving in the very early morning. He tells them he will catch up to them at the bus stop.
8) The children are seen by the postman near the bakery, holding hands and by themselves. Postman was initially saying it was 3 pm but then changes it to noon later on when he thinks more. Noon makes perfect sense. The children have no watches and have been led to believe by the man that they are on time. If they were given the pound note as some type of reward and think they are on time for the noon bus, their "happy" demeanor noted by the postman makes sense.
9) The children go ahead to the bakery, encouraged to buy extra food. He knows it is a long trip where they are going and/or he is hungry himself. Some accounts say that their last known spotting was outside changing rooms, and bakery was earlier, but that does not make sense since they did not have a load of food with them as they waited for him outside changing room. Waiting on this bench, it would have been logical for them to start eating their pastries, and witnesses would have noticed this. I believe bakery witness and changing room witness gave time ranges that made it possible changing rooms was first. This area is MUCH closer than i thought and its only about a block and a half between the reserve and the bakery.
9) The children go to the bus stop, not realizing they are late by about 15 minutes, and are looking for the man to return the change. The location of the bus stop is really important, as I don't think it is as close to the bakery as its depicted to be in some accounts. The current stop is about the same distance from the bakery as is the beach and Colley reserve and I believe we should treat it as a distinct location with the special characteristic that it is more private than the other spots.

My clue to research the bus stop location is that the bakery witness did not say anything about seeing them at the bus stop after their big purchase. I believe the Acai Bowl shop is currently in that location. In Australia they drive on the left, so the bus towards the children's home would have been directly outside the bakery on the same side of the street. This area is too tight for a bus stop as it is a congested corner. The current bus stop is located almost two blocks up on Moseley, away from the beach and toward the Beaumont home. It is a clearly marked "22" stop and has a bench and indented curb. I have no confirmation, but it makes sense that it was in same location back then as this is an older area and things like that seem to stick for a long time. Jim Beaumont is also said to have checked "the bus stop" as if it was a truly separate location from the "bakery".

All the perp had to do was manipulate their time by a few minutes. The best lie is the one closest to the truth. He was able to control their time by controlling their money. One other simple lie was that he had to go back to the Colley Reserve (VERY close to the bakery, actually) when he was actually retrieving his car. Remember, the kids need to see him again after the bakery to give him the change. Anything else would be stealing in Jane's worldview and keeps them in his control.

10) The children sit at the bus stop. If the stop is same location as now, they are out of the view of all the people near the shops and bakery. They start to eat the treats and are looking for the man to appear. There is a bench there now.
11)The man pulls up his car, driving on the same side of the road as the waiting children. He tells them there must be a problem with the bus and convinces them he should get in his car. A four year old can not walk for 30 minutes in 40 degree C heat and Jane believes this is a good decision and gets in the car. She is too surprised to make a truly good decision. And she's only nine. He drives initially in the direction of the Beaumont home.

More thoughts about suspects
- Phipps is totally out for me. I wasted a lot of time on him but he does not fit. Again, the kids are recognized by name by at least 3 witnesses, but NOBODY recognizes the man by name. He is NOT LOCAL. No local would spend time with his victims in public. Just does not fit the crime. And I do not believe Phipps looks at all like the sketch.

Arthur Stanley Brown makes a LOT of sense and I would bet on this one.

We can apply deduction here:

1) Brown is known/highly thought to have killed the McKay girls even though he died before ever convicted. I assume anyone here is familiar with the case so I won't go into the evidence.
2) The McKay girls is a confirmed multi-girl sex crime and homicide.
3) The McKay girls are similar ages to the Beaumont girls.
4) A witness says she heard the older McKay girl say to Brown: "when are you bringing us to Mommy? You said you were bringing us to Mommy!". This is proof that he gained their trust by saying he was going to get them home in his car.
5) Multi-child abductions are very rare. So the pool of possible suspects capable of such organization and depravity out the general population in Australia is like very small (unscientific but I'm guessing like under 5 people, maybe less)
6) Brown was definitively visually ID'd by a witness in the 1973 Adelaide Oval case where multiple girls, similar ages to Beaumonts, were abducted.
7) Brown had a job that kept him traveling and working alone as a public works maintenance carpenter. There are no work records that he was in Adelaide, but there is a second-hand witness who puts him there.
8) Someone who knew Brown put him in Adelaide as he mentioned he had seen a building under construction that was completed in 1973. I would like to know more about this witness and conversation.
9) The Beaumont killer is a man that is unrecognizable in Adelaide, preying on multiple girls, that must have used a car to complete the abduction, very likely under the guise of a ride home.

Brown's age being slightly older (in early 50's) does not jive with witnesses that put him in 30's and 40's. However, unlike some other age "decades", i think it can be very hard to distinguish a tan and fit 53 year old man from a tan and fit 35 year old man. There is a lot of variation, with presence of full hair, grayness and fitness level, style of dress, etc. In the bright and hot south Australia noon sun, the witnesses were probably also wearing sunglasses or brimmed hats and this could make distinguishing age of someone you see casually less accurate. All the old pics of brown are black and white so its hard for me to tell if he looks oldish or youngish in them.


One thing that does bother me is that the Beaumont perp did not really need to steal their money to make them late to the bus and then pick them up at the bus stop. He could have just lied about the time and kept assuring them that they still had time. If his plan from the get-go was to pick them up at the bus stop when he knew they would be stranded there, they also did not have to wait with him by the changing room. So this leads me to believe that he thought he just needed a bit extra leverage with them or was winging it as far as his actual plan. Maybe his initial thought was that they would not have money so he would offer a ride outright, but that Jane was not on board with accepting a ride from him so the plan evolved as they interacted at the reserve and hew was getting more psychologically involved and sure this is what he wanted to do.

Another logical scenario is that he could have taken their money and offered them a ride, which they accepted.
1) After waiting outside the change room, the group of four walk towards his car which is parked in the best spot along Colley str between the reserve and Jetty/Moselsey intersection. He stays by the car fiddling with the trunk contents the way people do after coming off a beach, making sure no sand gets in the car, towels on seats, etc and sends the children to the bakery which is very close. This makes sense if the perp is Brown, who is organized and neat and would probably need to do this despite being in the middle of committing a huge crime.
2) The children are sent to the bakery with the pound note and are seen by their postman on the corner.
3) Children return to the car and the group leaves.

I think this scenario is more direct than the bus-stop scenario but a bit more risky in that Jane would have a lot of time to think about whether she wanted to get in the car and could have decided to walk home or talk to people in the bakery or on the street and tell them the plan. The abduction at the bus stop leaves Jane less time to think, but could have been pulled off without a money deception.
 
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5) Kids are seen being dressed by man. Again, the fact he dresses Jane and Arnna and not just Grant leads me to believe the girls are his "object" as he could have ignored them and focused on Grant since they do not need help at their ages. This is important because I believe that a multiple child perp is very rare, but Australia sees three of these in a one decade span, starting with this one, all involving multiple little girls.
There's a lot in your post that his discussion-worthy, but I'd like to discuss this bit. Nine year old Jane has often been described as a sensible and cautious child, one who acted much older than her years. Her parents said the kids were warned never to talk to strangers. Why would she allow this man to put shorts on her? At that age I wouldn't have allowed my father or mother to do something like that. Witnesses said the kids were flicking their towels at the man and jumping over him. Would they have done that with a complete stranger?

It seems very possible that the kids had encountered this man in the past. Jim Beaumont usually went with the kids to the beach, and it seems he didn't know of anyone. But I'd like to know how often Jane went down to Colley Reserve without a parent, with or without the younger kids. Could she have already known and trusted him? Would this explain why she took the pound note - a great deal of money to a kid at the time - and possibly a ride home?

I'm not sure about any of the suspects; it could have been someone who has stayed completely off the radar. I do agree about Phipps, though, who has been pushed quite a bit as a prime suspect in recent years. Given that he literally lived in the Colley Reserve neighborhood I have trouble seeing him being so bold as to be seen with the kids on the grass or walking to or at the changing rooms.
 
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Since my last post, continued research and some new thoughts.

The timings of the witness sightings are inexact and involve ranges. However, under the assumption that Jane planned to get home on the bus at noon to get home for lunch and please mom (why wouldn't she?) and the kidnapper wanted the simplest abduction (why wouldn't he?), the following makes most sense.

1) Kids take bus from stop at Diagonal Road to stop on Mosesly St. nearest Geleng beach, (a 27 minute walk back according to google). Time unimportant as we know its undisputed that they got on bus and arrived as expected.
2) Kids are seen coming off beach and heading onto Collier Reserve, the grassy area just of the beach and where there are "sprinklers" to wash off sand (I'm american and its unclear if this means they used lawn sprinklers normally for irrigation or if this is a slang for showers installed near beach for the purpose of sand removal on people?)
3) Children seen interacting with the man and playing with towels
4) Man asks if anyone has been seen messing with their stuff as money is missing. Unclear if this is before or after dressing, but its logical that if he has planned to somehow control them financially, this would happen first. The dressing fits with a "leaving" scenario after the four of them have made some type of plan together.
5) Kids are seen being dressed by man. Again, the fact he dresses Jane and Arnna and not just Grant leads me to believe the girls are his "object" as he could have ignored them and focused on Grant since they do not need help at their ages. This is important because I believe that a multiple child perp is very rare, but Australia sees three of these in a one decade span, starting with this one, all involving multiple little girls.
6) He goes to the changing room and they wait outside. It does not sound like there was much changing for him to do, but I'm thinking this was also a restroom. This could also have been a way for him to delay things to cause them to miss the bus. They don't have watches and may have relied on him to check the public clock.
7) The man tells a white lie that he forgot something back on the grass, and instead gets his car from its parking location, which he probably secured by arriving in the very early morning. He tells them he will catch up to them at the bus stop.
8) The children are seen by the postman near the bakery, holding hands and by themselves. Postman was initially saying it was 3 pm but then changes it to noon later on when he thinks more. Noon makes perfect sense. The children have no watches and have been led to believe by the man that they are on time. If they were given the pound note as some type of reward and think they are on time for the noon bus, their "happy" demeanor noted by the postman makes sense.
9) The children go ahead to the bakery, encouraged to buy extra food. He knows it is a long trip where they are going and/or he is hungry himself. Some accounts say that their last known spotting was outside changing rooms, and bakery was earlier, but that does not make sense since they did not have a load of food with them as they waited for him outside changing room. Waiting on this bench, it would have been logical for them to start eating their pastries, and witnesses would have noticed this. I believe bakery witness and changing room witness gave time ranges that made it possible changing rooms was first. This area is MUCH closer than i thought and its only about a block and a half between the reserve and the bakery.
9) The children go to the bus stop, not realizing they are late by about 15 minutes, and are looking for the man to return the change. The location of the bus stop is really important, as I don't think it is as close to the bakery as its depicted to be in some accounts. The current stop is about the same distance from the bakery as is the beach and Colley reserve and I believe we should treat it as a distinct location with the special characteristic that it is more private than the other spots.

My clue to research the bus stop location is that the bakery witness did not say anything about seeing them at the bus stop after their big purchase. I believe the Acai Bowl shop is currently in that location. In Australia they drive on the left, so the bus towards the children's home would have been directly outside the bakery on the same side of the street. This area is too tight for a bus stop as it is a congested corner. The current bus stop is located almost two blocks up on Moseley, away from the beach and toward the Beaumont home. It is a clearly marked "22" stop and has a bench and indented curb. I have no confirmation, but it makes sense that it was in same location back then as this is an older area and things like that seem to stick for a long time. Jim Beaumont is also said to have checked "the bus stop" as if it was a truly separate location from the "bakery".

All the perp had to do was manipulate their time by a few minutes. The best lie is the one closest to the truth. He was able to control their time by controlling their money. One other simple lie was that he had to go back to the Colley Reserve (VERY close to the bakery, actually) when he was actually retrieving his car. Remember, the kids need to see him again after the bakery to give him the change. Anything else would be stealing in Jane's worldview and keeps them in his control.

10) The children sit at the bus stop. If the stop is same location as now, they are out of the view of all the people near the shops and bakery. They start to eat the treats and are looking for the man to appear. There is a bench there now.
11)The man pulls up his car, driving on the same side of the road as the waiting children. He tells them there must be a problem with the bus and convinces them he should get in his car. A four year old can not walk for 30 minutes in 40 degree C heat and Jane believes this is a good decision and gets in the car. She is too surprised to make a truly good decision. And she's only nine. He drives initially in the direction of the Beaumont home.

More thoughts about suspects
- Phipps is totally out for me. I wasted a lot of time on him but he does not fit. Again, the kids are recognized by name by at least 3 witnesses, but NOBODY recognizes the man by name. He is NOT LOCAL. No local would spend time with his victims in public. Just does not fit the crime. And I do not believe Phipps looks at all like the sketch.

Arthur Stanley Brown makes a LOT of sense and I would bet on this one.

We can apply deduction here:

1) Brown is known/highly thought to have killed the McKay girls even though he died before ever convicted. I assume anyone here is familiar with the case so I won't go into the evidence.
2) The McKay girls is a confirmed multi-girl sex crime and homicide.
3) The McKay girls are similar ages to the Beaumont girls.
4) A witness says she heard the older McKay girl say to Brown: "when are you bringing us to Mommy? You said you were bringing us to Mommy!". This is proof that he gained their trust by saying he was going to get them home in his car.
5) Multi-child abductions are very rare. So the pool of possible suspects capable of such organization and depravity out the general population in Australia is like very small (unscientific but I'm guessing like under 5 people, maybe less)
6) Brown was definitively visually ID'd by a witness in the 1973 Adelaide Oval case where multiple girls, similar ages to Beaumonts, were abducted.
7) Brown had a job that kept him traveling and working alone as a public works maintenance carpenter. There are no work records that he was in Adelaide, but there is a second-hand witness who puts him there.
8) Someone who knew Brown put him in Adelaide as he mentioned he had seen a building under construction that was completed in 1973. I would like to know more about this witness and conversation.
9) The Beaumont killer is a man that is unrecognizable in Adelaide, preying on multiple girls, that must have used a car to complete the abduction, very likely under the guise of a ride home.

Brown's age being slightly older (in early 50's) does not jive with witnesses that put him in 30's and 40's. However, unlike some other age "decades", i think it can be very hard to distinguish a tan and fit 53 year old man from a tan and fit 35 year old man. There is a lot of variation, with presence of full hair, grayness and fitness level, style of dress, etc. In the bright and hot south Australia noon sun, the witnesses were probably also wearing sunglasses or brimmed hats and this could make distinguishing age of someone you see casually less accurate. All the old pics of brown are black and white so its hard for me to tell if he looks oldish or youngish in them.


One thing that does bother me is that the Beaumont perp did not really need to steal their money to make them late to the bus and then pick them up at the bus stop. He could have just lied about the time and kept assuring them that they still had time. If his plan from the get-go was to pick them up at the bus stop when he knew they would be stranded there, they also did not have to wait with him by the changing room. So this leads me to believe that he thought he just needed a bit extra leverage with them or was winging it as far as his actual plan. Maybe his initial thought was that they would not have money so he would offer a ride outright, but that Jane was not on board with accepting a ride from him so the plan evolved as they interacted at the reserve and hew was getting more psychologically involved and sure this is what he wanted to do.

Another logical scenario is that he could have taken their money and offered them a ride, which they accepted.
1) After waiting outside the change room, the group of four walk towards his car which is parked in the best spot along Colley str between the reserve and Jetty/Moselsey intersection. He stays by the car fiddling with the trunk contents the way people do after coming off a beach, making sure no sand gets in the car, towels on seats, etc and sends the children to the bakery which is very close. This makes sense if the perp is Brown, who is organized and neat and would probably need to do this despite being in the middle of committing a huge crime.
2) The children are sent to the bakery with the pound note and are seen by their postman on the corner.
3) Children return to the car and the group leaves.

I think this scenario is more direct than the bus-stop scenario but a bit more risky in that Jane would have a lot of time to think about whether she wanted to get in the car and could have decided to walk home or talk to people in the bakery or on the street and tell them the plan. The abduction at the bus stop leaves Jane less time to think, but could have been pulled off without a money deception.
I don’t know if he could have lied about the time as I understood the Town Hall clock was visible to the children.
 
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I really thought there would be a lot more discussion about this famous case,I'm surprised!
 
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Grant Alfred Beaumont, the father of three children who went missing in Adelaide in the 1960s, has died, aged 97

A funeral notice published today, said Grant — also known as Jim — was the "loved father of Jane, Arnna and Grant, reunited with him in heaven".

Mr Beaumont died on April 9.

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South Australia’s Police Commissioner Grant Stevens has arrived at the unfortunate conclusion that the disappearance of the Beaumont children is unlikely to be solved, leaving the tragic fate of the youngsters shrouded in mystery.
 
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it funny there are no sightings of them on the beach i asume they were going to the beach as they were dressed for the beach bbut nobody saw them on the beach
 
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it funny there are no sightings of them on the beach i asume they were going to the beach as they were dressed for the beach bbut nobody saw them on the beach
Yes they were seen, one witness said they were with a young blonde man.
 
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there was a much longer thread on this case i wonder what happend to it
 
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it funny there are no sightings of them on the beach i asume they were going to the beach as they were dressed for the beach bbut nobody saw them on the beach

Several people saw what is believed to be the three children with a man on the grass at Colley Reserve, after they'd been swimming. A school friend of Jane's had seen them at that beach as well, although I don't think they'd met up with the man yet. Finally, the Wenzel's Bakery employee confirmed that the three missing children paid for a large lunch with a one pound note after they should have been on the way home.
 
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there was a much longer thread on this case i wonder what happend to it
Maybe some members complained about it.

I know I stopped reading there.

The posts got more and more bizarre.
 
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i wonder weather that was actully a false sighting i think its possble that it was a completly innocent man playing with his own children
 
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there was a much longer thread on this case i wonder what happend to it

I also noticed the old threads disappeared. My assumption is there were too many TOS violations. JMO.

This is one of the most heart-breaking cases. Not just that their parents lost all of them but that their parents never had any answers. And the lack of any justice...
 
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you notice the guy doesnt the bakers shop himself he sends the kids in is that becouse the people in the bakers shop know him
 
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There's a lot in your post that his discussion-worthy, but I'd like to discuss this bit. Nine year old Jane has often been described as a sensible and cautious child, one who acted much older than her years. Her parents said the kids were warned never to talk to strangers. Why would she allow this man to put shorts on her? At that age I wouldn't have allowed my father or mother to do something like that. Witnesses said the kids were flicking their towels at the man and jumping over him. Would they have done that with a complete stranger?

It seems very possible that the kids had encountered this man in the past. Jim Beaumont usually went with the kids to the beach, and it seems he didn't know of anyone. But I'd like to know how often Jane went down to Colley Reserve without a parent, with or without the younger kids. Could she have already known and trusted him? Would this explain why she took the pound note - a great deal of money to a kid at the time - and possibly a ride home?

I'm not sure about any of the suspects; it could have been someone who has stayed completely off the radar. I do agree about Phipps, though, who has been pushed quite a bit as a prime suspect in recent years. Given that he literally lived in the Colley Reserve neighborhood I have trouble seeing him being so bold as to be seen with the kids on the grass or walking to or at the changing rooms.
Imo, a child can be sensible and cautious but outwitted by an adult who has the skills to put the child at ease. Maria Ridulph and her friend, Kathy, (a 7 and 8 year old) allowed a stranger to give them piggyback rides because he was young and charming, introduced himself, and spoke to them about what they liked, dolls. When Kathy went into the house to retrieve her mittens, Maria and 'Johnny' were gone.
Jane might have trusted this man because she'd met him before or he was controlling, even as an adult, it's hard to prevent an action by a controlling person until it's too late. They've crossed the boundaries and you're left in shock, poor Jane and her siblings were under his control within minutes, imo.
 
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