Australia Australia- Jane, 9, Arnna, 7, & Grant Jr., 4, Beaumont, 26 January 1966

[mrC]

i still dont think its really evedence

 

[SouthAussie]

i still dont think its really evedence

There are apparently 12 or 13 different pieces of circumstantial evidence against Phipps. They are spoken of in the book Unmasking the Killer of the Missing Beaumont Children by author Stuart Mullins and retired Major Crimes detective Bill Hayes.

I haven't yet read the book but I have seen some excerpts about Phipps' erotica (the Satin Man), that he was a pedophile, that his grandson was told by his father that he was in a tree house when he saw the children arrive at their house alive, then Phipps later put the children into the boot of his car, that when Phipps got angry he would get a psychotic glaze to his eyes ....

None of it is hard evidence now, and the apparent eye witness is also dead, but there is enough to create suspicion among quite a few people.

'He saw them': Man says grandfather was involved in Beaumont children disappearance

The grandson of a person of interest in the Beaumont children’s disappearance says he's sure his gran...

www.9news.com.au

 

[DD Byrd]

What am I missing here? It seems Jim and Nancy Beamont would know whether their children would recognize Harry Phipps in 1966, regardless of any connection by marriage that hadn't even happened yet. If he was a wealthy and 'famous' figure, the man about town, isn't possible Jane would have trusted him based on his status alone?

With so much circumstantial evidence, I'm sensing where there's smoke there's fire. I'm just not sure what's actually burning. Could Haydn be the "boyfriend Jane got down the beach" and be more involved than just a treehouse witness? If he were a knowing/unknowing accomplice that would explain why Harry dying in 2004 wasn't the end of the saga.

 

[SouthAussie]

What am I missing here? It seems Jim and Nancy Beamont would know whether their children would recognize Harry Phipps in 1966, regardless of any connection by marriage that hadn't even happened yet. If he was a wealthy and 'famous' figure, the man about town, isn't possible Jane would have trusted him based on his status alone?

With so much circumstantial evidence, I'm sensing where there's smoke there's fire. I'm just not sure what's actually burning. Could Haydn be the "boyfriend Jane got down the beach" and be more involved than just a treehouse witness? If he were a knowing/unknowing accomplice that would explain why Harry dying in 2004 wasn't the end of the saga.

I think what is important is .... "A shop assistant at the bakery recalled the children mentioning “the man” and witnesses said they saw the children playing at Colley Reserve with a tall, blond, thin-faced man who appeared to be in his 30s'. Link

It sounds as if Phipps fits this description. It also sounds as if this man was bonding himself with the young children.
And there is speculation in one of the articles I posted that this man could be the one that gave the children the one pound note for their lunch, and they were to bring the change to him at his house. The Phipps house was on their way home.

 

[mrC]

as a local businessman and prominent member of the community isn't it likely that Phips would of been recognised if he went around playing with random children at the beach

 

[SouthAussie]

as a local businessman and prominent member of the community isn't it likely that Phips would of been recognised if he went around playing with random children at the beach

Maybe he was recognised, as he is a POI. And maybe he denied it. I don't believe we know what he said to the police way back then. Or not that I have read anywhere. Have you seen what his alibi was anywhere?

The children might have been killed because they recognised their perpetrator. They could identify him.

 

[mrC]

if he wasnt a suspect he wouldn't have an albi i don't believe he was a suspect at the time

 

[DD Byrd]

I think what is important is .... "A shop assistant at the bakery recalled the children mentioning “the man” and witnesses said they saw the children playing at Colley Reserve with a tall, blond, thin-faced man who appeared to be in his 30s'. Link

It sounds as if Phipps fits this description. It also sounds as if this man was bonding himself with the young children.
And there is speculation in one of the articles I posted that this man could be the one that gave the children the one pound note for their lunch, and they were to bring the change to him at his house. The Phipps house was on their way home.

Maybe the buffer of it being Jane's 'decision' to return the change made her drop her guard. He gave them money and trusted them enough to leave, so he must be a good Samaritan. Especially before stranger danger, Jane being shy didn't necessarily mean she had an active guard to drop. It seems she'd have said "Mr. So-n-so" rather than "the man" if he'd given her a name. He could have ingratiated himself over time, but that makes it more likely he'd be recognized if/when people thought back on it, and that the children would've mentioned him at home. So maybe this really was a one-day thing; he chose, or was compelled, to act on a crowded day with children everywhere. Either way, he must have known they weren't with an adult who was sitting down the beach. Was he sitting and watching the 3 of them arrive alone and put his plan into action.

What's curious is burying them on land he had a connection to. If the whole country was looking for them, would you tell two kids to dig a hole there (or anywhere)? If he did, there must have been a good reason that not one, but two kids believed. To only come forward about it almost 50 years later. It seems with 3 small bodies, and not yet on anyone's radar, he could have taken care of a burial himself...far, far away. Unless he was lazy and/or twisted and wanted them 'forever' with him. Three children at once is pretty brazen, and makes me think there were other attempts.

 

[cocomonkey]

as a local businessman and prominent member of the community isn't it likely that Phips would of been recognised if he went around playing with random children at the beach

He may well have been recognised on the day as being there but so were thousands of other people on that very hot Australia Day at the beach. He was never named as a suspect until decades later so nobody was thinking "Oh yeah, I saw Harry Phipps that day." He just wasn't on the radar.

 

[SLouTh]

BREAKING: A private search for the remains of the Beaumont children at North Plympton has unearthed a new area of interest.
A large slab of concrete has been found that investigators believe has no reason to be there.
The latest dig has today broken ground on a site that has never been searched before.

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[SLouTh]

BREAKING: A private search for the remains of the Beaumont children at North Plympton has unearthed a new area of interest.
A large slab of concrete has been found that investigators believe has no reason to be there.
The latest dig has today broken ground on a site that has never been searched before.

Download the 7NEWS app: https://7news.link/7NEWSapp

A newer paywalled article states that the slab was not concrete as first thought

“the discovery was “sensationalised” and was in fact cement stabilised sand which “looks like it has been added after 1966”.

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/dig-for-beaumonts-continues-as-neighbour-reveals-new-details-of-north-plympton-factory-site-hole/news-story/87d95618b15d94a9f0fe1255a1b3d67d

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I wonder what happened to the car that the children were said to be in the boot of.

 

[SouthAussie]

A newer paywalled article states that the slab was not concrete as first thought

“the discovery was “sensationalised” and was in fact cement stabilised sand which “looks like it has been added after 1966”.

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/dig-for-beaumonts-continues-as-neighbour-reveals-new-details-of-north-plympton-factory-site-hole/news-story/87d95618b15d94a9f0fe1255a1b3d67d

Yes, The Advertiser has quoted MP Frank Pangallo as saying that it is nothing to get excited about.

I also notice in that article, though, that it speaks of the two young men who were directed by Phipps to dig the hole in which the children might have been buried - and a local man who saw them digging the hole.
The local man (who lived across the road from the factory) said he let that information slide because he didn't want to get involved, and he probably should have mentioned the information earlier.
He said that the older man (Phipps?) sat in his car with the door open watching them dig the hole.
The two young men said they were digging a hole to bury a dog, and the man thought it must have been a big dog.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

 

[SouthAussie]

If the children are buried there. it wouldn't be surprising if a structure was later built on top of the hole. Putting a structure on top of them would have guaranteed they weren't found, at least not for a very long time.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

The reporter in the above video says they currently believe the slab could be "a hardening material used to compact sand." So I guess it could be something man-made, but I wonder the chances it's a natural occurence?

It would be the greatest miracle to recover something, though. Their parents suffered so much, and the abductor needs to be identified, even if he's deceased, IMO.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I imagine that the man across the street would have noticed something being built on top of where he says he watched the hole being dug.
Unless he moved away before it was built.

Or maybe he just wasn't asked if something was built on that area.

 

[sportstergirl]

Harry Phipps drove a RHD Pontiac( Laurentian I think) a top of the range expensive make of car. Can't have been too many around as Australians drive on the right side of the road & LHD vehicles were prohibited by law at the time.

 

[SouthAussie]

Harry Phipps drove a RHD Pontiac( Laurentian I think) a top of the range expensive make of car. Can't have been too many around as Australians drive on the right side of the road & LHD vehicles were prohibited by law at the time.

I read in an article yesterday that Phipp's grandson said his father said the children were put into the back of a Cadillac.
Which I would have thought would have been an unusual import car at the time. Or unless maybe Phipps called his car his "Cadillac" because it was a top of the line other vehicle.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/breaking-news/excavation-to-begin-at-castalloy-factory-site-in-final-bid-to-find-beaumont-siblings-remains/news-story/65d9b01c156b31b9aa393651d8f80d08

 

[sportstergirl]

The Cadillac would be an even rarer car, especially in RHD. Pontiacs were assembled in Australia to get round import taxes & used locally made products for interior trim etc. One middle aged man abducting 3 children at the same time sounds difficult. Did Phipps have some help? Who's was the Cadillac?