Australia Australia - Jenny Cook, 29, Townsville, Qld, 19 Jan 2009

[Oddsocks]

Does anyone have a link to Jenny's autopsy?

 

[Ausgirl]

The weapon has been described as a 'shiv', also described as similar to a prison weapon. How would something like that not be out of place in a household knife block, does anyone know?

From the picture here (( http://www.smh.com.au/national/knife-edge-20140714-3bvp7.html WARNING murder weapon pic!!! )) I can see it's a large kitchen knife.

The shiv bit comes from the wrapping of the handle... prison weapons are often wrapped that way to offer more grip.

In this case, it's supposed to allow the weapon to be more firmly wedged in the window frame... though why she'd do that IDK. Lotta effort to go to, for someone supposedly -that- desperate to die in a horrible way. It's just very elaborate...

 

[laserdisc10]

My husband was just saying that he spent time in Nth Qld about twelve years ago - and that it was like being in another country. He said the police were like a law unto themselves up there - and it really was like places used to be in the earlier part of last century. His words: 'Redneck Wonderland'.

And I've got several friends who were hassled repeatedly by police up there as they travelled through because they looked alternative (dreadlocks, tattoos). Really old-school. One of my friends got seriously beaten up by them for being 'lippy' for asking why the police pulled him over. He was genuinely terrified he was going to get killed.

No wonder they're keeping everything hush-hush. They've evidently been able to do whatever they want for a LONG time!

NB I know there must be decent cops up there as well - I am speaking in generalisations, obviously

Isis, it's not difficult to suspect any decent officer who was transferred to that environment would be desperate to be transferred somewhere else, asap

 

[Ausgirl]

Isis, it's not difficult to suspect any decent officer who was transferred to that environment would be desperate to be transferred somewhere else, asap

Especially as, if they do a good job, they might not get promoted. :silenced:

 

[catswhiskers]

The weapon has been described as a 'shiv', also described as similar to a prison weapon. How would something like that not be out of place in a household knife block, does anyone know?

I might be wrong, but I think someone here mentioned it reminding them of a shiv because of the way the handle was wrapped in string and tape. I think it was an ordinary kitchen knife (somewhere PC even mentioned how sharp it had been) and the string and tape seemed to be to bulk out the handle so it would stay in place where it was jammed in part of the window frame.
I'm guessing home computers weren't even checked at all - you'd think someone would need to get that idea (about how to rig up the knife like that) from somewhere.

 

[Cattail]

It seems impossible to me to reach any conclusion other than that someone in the police was involved in a cover up. These 'mistakes' are not believable even for a completely incompetent person.

It is equally impossible to believe the husband is innocent.

If he was innocent he surely would have screamed from the rooftops that this could not possibly be a suicide just as we are all saying now. He would have been urging the police to find the killer.


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[Ausgirl]

Isis, NIFP/stalking comments are in these links:

http://www.smh.com.au/national/knife-edge-20140714-3bvp7.html

and in the inquest report -- plus this:

The NIFP said that she spent more time with Mr Cook after the death; she said to help him through that time. Later she got the feeling that Mr Cook wanted a relationship with her and for her to end her then current relationship but she was not interested. He became short and aggressive and hostile. She then ceased communication with him and heard from him about a year later when he told her he had a new girlfriend who was a hairdresser.

http://www.courts.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/217931/cif-cook-jl-20131206.pdf

The report makes it plain the NIFP was caught out in a few porky pies, which very much minimised her involvement with Cook.

Maybe he killed Jenny to make room for this new woman, who then maybe suspected what he'd done and dumped him - and he's moved on to someone else? Was it the "hairdresser" he moved into the house before it sold, the same year Jenny died? (talk about moving on quick, eh?)

Here's another thought I had.. was she killed outside, and staged as suicide, to make sure the property value stayed high (murder houses sell for a LOT less, see link below), or maybe to prevent the new (less disabled, more fertile) woman feeling like she lived in a murder house (as well as in the shadow of her recently dead rival..)


http://www.propertyobserver.com.au/...lose-if-a-property-has-an-unsavoury-past.html

 

[catswhiskers]

I know you guys have read this, but I'm just pasting across a couple of quotes for emphasis!

During the course of their discussion in the kitchen and another formal interview later that night, Cook repeats his certainty that Jenny Lee killed herself - although he has no idea how she did it. "She had blood coming out of her mouth ... what did she do?" he asks Detective Cotter.
Later, Cook says when he first saw her body he thought Jenny had jumped on the knife or she had overdosed. He also talks about the knife, saying, "It was so sharp, that knife, like a f...ing sword or something - I don't know why I even bought it."
He tells detectives that he used the knife only two or three times, later changing this to two or three times a year, the first of a series of contradictions in a long and rambling interview in which he revealed that all wasn't exactly rosy in the Sheerwater Parade house.

Paul tells the interviewing detectives that while they "never fought", Jenny Lee would have "a sook" about her chronic back problems "hundreds of times" and would "crack the " and be "a moody *****". Only the night before, he explains, he'd arrived home to find Jenny Lee sitting on the toilet in the bathroom crying. Ignoring her tears, he asked where his earbuds were, put them on, went to bed and fell asleep.
He admits that he'd set off for work that morning barely speaking to her, and later that day told a colleague that his marriage was over.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/knife-edge-20140714-3bvp7.html#ixzz386LuKg87

Yep, he's a gem for sure. It's all sounding rather familiar, hey? Funny how again we see a marriage approaching crisis point and the woman ends up dead. He sounds like another callous and cruel you-know-what, even if you can believe Jenny took her own life.

 

[Ausgirl]

Police have failed to act on a recommendation to take action over an apparently bungled investigation into the impalement death of a NSW woman in Townsville.

Coroner Jane Bentley found Mr Cook evasive and untruthful in his evidence and said because of the problems with the investigation she could not make a finding of suicide.

She recommended the Commissioner of Police consider whether any action should be taken into the inadequacy of the investigation.

This week – more than six months after the ruling – the Queensland Police Service have not acted.


The Pullens have called for the inquest to be reopened and for the suppression of the woman's name to be lifted.

The coroner's office said the name was suppressed because of allegations of an extra-marital affair.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/poli...vestigation-20140718-zufak.html#ixzz386PP1BZA

:worms:

 

[laserdisc10]

Thanks for the info about the knife, Ausgirl and Catswhiskers. And thanks for that article, Ausgirl. I read it through and selected excerpts relating to the fact the coroner described him as a liar -- the claims he was having an affair with a fellow prison officer -- the inconsistencies in his various statements -- etc. etc. Tried to post, only to discover I'd been automatically logged-out. And lost the lot in the process of logging back in


PC even chose to represent himself at the inquest and talked for several hours -- another one!


Talk about a case needing to be looked into! I mean, that Sydney Morning Herald article laid it out ! You'd have to be blindfolded with ears stuffed with cabbages not to know the story stinks. It's either rank corruption/cover-up -- or Townsville police have one-digit IQs

But have Townsville police made such a -up of other cases? And if not, what's their excuse for the way Jenny Cook's murder was whitewashed out of existence

Oh, and it seems Jenny was not a 'cutter' -- she'd merely told a therapist she'd 'thought about in when in the depths of despair over the second operation'. I regard that as similar to sticking a fingernail into a mosquito bite (the pain of the fingernail being preferable to a really bad itch)

 

[catswhiskers]

There is mention of a previous history of cutting in the Findings of Inquest document:

Medical records from 15 December 2008 record that Ms Cook had previously
engaged in cutting herself when she felt overwhelmed but that she was not feeling
suicidal at that time.
Medical records also indicate that on 5 January 2009 Ms Cook was successfully
using ice to stop her urge to cut herself.

http://www.courts.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/217931/cif-cook-jl-20131206.pdf

That document seems to be the one and only official source of info right now unfortunately. :notgood:

 

[laserdisc10]

Police have failed to act on a recommendation to take action over an apparently bungled investigation into the impalement death of a NSW woman in Townsville.

Coroner Jane Bentley found Mr Cook evasive and untruthful in his evidence and said because of the problems with the investigation she could not make a finding of suicide.

She recommended the Commissioner of Police consider whether any action should be taken into the inadequacy of the investigation.

This week – more than six months after the ruling – the Queensland Police Service have not acted.


The Pullens have called for the inquest to be reopened and for the suppression of the woman's name to be lifted.

The coroner's office said the name was suppressed because of allegations of an extra-marital affair.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/poli...vestigation-20140718-zufak.html#ixzz386PP1BZA

:worms:

Thanks, Ausgirl, for that linked article

It is dated July 19 2014

and says

A QPS spokesman said: "Ethical Standards Command continues to overview the review of the coronial file in relation to the death of Jenny Lee Cook. It is anticipated this matter will be finalised in the near future

NO ! We cannot allow that to happen ! We cannot allow QPS to 'finalise' 'this matter' in the near future!

We have to start lobbying, protesting, bringing this to the attention of the public and shaming Queensland Police Service into doing what should have occurred when Jenny Cook was murdered, i.e. a thorough and transparent investigation

 

[laserdisc10]

There is mention of a previous history of cutting in the Findings of Inquest document:


http://www.courts.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/217931/cif-cook-jl-20131206.pdf

That document seems to be the one and only official source of info right now unfortunately. :notgood:

Thanks, Catswhiskers. I hadn't seen that. But I still wonder. Did her comment about 'thinking about' cutting herself due to the pain she was suffering translate into she 'had' cut herself ? It would suit the 'suicide' conclusion

Her friends, mother, said Jenny was petrified of 'anything sharp' and would 'run away' from needles. And they'd know

Right now, I don't trust one so-called 'official' document or claim in relation to 'this matter' as QPS describe it. Please don't interpret that as my being argumentative with regard to you. I'm just furious with all those who were so eager to bury that poor woman, using whatever they could find to discredit her and save her spouse's skin -- and their own

 

[Ausgirl]

Lawyers for Baden-Clay have filed an appeal against his murder conviction, claiming the verdict was unreasonable.

However, a leading Brisbane criminal lawyer insists a circumstantial case is often more powerful than one with direct evidence such as witness testimony that is vulnerable to cross-examination.

http://www.news.net/article/1644274?utm_source=outbrain&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=outbrainamplify

The Baden-Clay trial really does exemplify a good circumstantial case. Lots of little facts adding up to an undeniable conclusion.... all's we need is an independent investigation, a proper one that includes a look into possible motives (other than laziness or arrogance, I mean) for DS Osborn to fudge things so very, very badly from the moment she walked onto the crime scene.

 

[laserdisc10]

Lawyers for Baden-Clay have filed an appeal against his murder conviction, claiming the verdict was unreasonable.

However, a leading Brisbane criminal lawyer insists a circumstantial case is often more powerful than one with direct evidence such as witness testimony that is vulnerable to cross-examination.

http://www.news.net/article/1644274?utm_source=outbrain&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=outbrainamplify

The Baden Clay case was the 'perfect murder' when compared to the Townsville scandal

QPS can't rest on its laurels re: GBC while pushing the Jenny Cook case under the carpet

Only reason QPS wants the Jenny Cook case to disappear is because it exposes its own, imo. And exposes the slack environment re: correctional officers in the Far North

I take my hat off to the Sydney Morning Herald. It's gone above and beyond on behalf of Jenny Cook, repeatedly

 

[laserdisc10]

Lawyers for Baden-Clay have filed an appeal against his murder conviction, claiming the verdict was unreasonable.

However, a leading Brisbane criminal lawyer insists a circumstantial case is often more powerful than one with direct evidence such as witness testimony that is vulnerable to cross-examination.

http://www.news.net/article/1644274?utm_source=outbrain&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=outbrainamplify

The Baden-Clay trial really does exemplify a good circumstantial case. Lots of little facts adding up to an undeniable conclusion.... all's we need is an independent investigation, a proper one that includes a look into possible motives (other than laziness or arrogance, I mean) for DS Osborn to fudge things so very, very badly from the moment she walked onto the crime scene.

bbm


Maybe PC was considered a sexy beast by female police and prison staff, up there in Townsville?

Sounds like it

 

[Ausgirl]

Well, yeah, there's the comments re the prison being a hot love nest between guards, and even prisoners... I think PC was a playa anyway, he clearly was happy to bounce from woman to woman. Made me wonder if Jenny had caught on to his trysts, actually. Oh, and on that subject, note how he says he could give the unidentified female a better life than her own partner could (they were both cheating, hence the anonymous status, never mind her poor husband who the law keeps ignorant of his cheating- wife... I hate that..) anyway - what better life, after his own wife dies like that and people are talking about how hinky it all is.. No wonder she ran for the hills. If she wasn't in on it, that is...

 

[Tigerlily75]

Just some comments on what's been presented in the "Knife Edge" article linked above (reposting link: http://www.smh.com.au/national/knife-edge-20140714-3bvp7.html )


It's a quiet Monday night in Townsville and an ambulance radio crackles to life in the car park of the far north Queensland city's main hospital.

It's a Code 1A: a woman in her early 30s has suffered an apparent cardiac arrest. Lights flashing, siren on, the two paramedics on board, Robert Haydon and Chris O'Connor, accelerate through the thinning evening traffic, hoping to find the woman still alive.

( -- why cardiac arrest? did hubby NOT see the blood? he later says he saw blood 'around her mouth' - but not on her chest, as was evident to the paramedics?)

From a 000 dispatcher - Because she would have been reported as "not conscious and not breathing" this equates to a patient being in cardiac arrest, which overrides all other injuries, ie it's the highest priority and the first thing attending paramedics need to know. Further information if provided would give further details to the paramedics (such as stabbing, bleeding, drowning, fall from roof etc) but the initial callout and response code to paramedics is of a patient in cardiac arrest. It's the first question a 000 operator will ask (after location) - is the patient conscious? (no), is the patient breathing? (no), - call then goes out as a Cardiac Arrest, then operator will seek further information on the patients condition and how they got that way (and implement CPR instruction).

 

[Ausgirl]

From a 000 dispatcher - Because she would have been reported as "not conscious and not breathing" this equates to a patient being in cardiac arrest, which overrides all other injuries, ie it's the highest priority and the first thing attending paramedics need to know. Further information if provided would give further details to the paramedics (such as stabbing, bleeding, drowning, fall from roof etc) but the initial callout and response code to paramedics is of a patient in cardiac arrest. It's the first question a 000 operator will ask (after location) - is the patient conscious? (no), is the patient breathing? (no), - call then goes out as a Cardiac Arrest, then operator will seek further information on the patients condition and how they got that way (and implement CPR instruction).

:tyou:

 

[BJsleuth]

The only thing that has made me hesitate when reading about Jenny's death, is the mention of her being a 'cutter' in her medical history. I have no idea whether or not that practice makes someone more likely to commit suicide, but maybe it does give us a little more insight into her depression.

RSBM Now, it was said she tied the sheet over her head so she didn't have to see the blood etc, if the above is true, then she wouldn't have needed to cover her head, would she?