GUILTY Australia - Jill Meagher, 29, Melbourne, 22 Sep 2012 #5

[marlywings]

Folks just so you're aware...WS doesn't allow "subscription only" links.

 

[Just.A.Hunch]

<modsnip> Not saying for sure she knew what he was truly like, very creepy to think you could live with someone for that long and not know such an evil side. He for sure is a master manipulator! Doesn't it make you sick that he was carrying on to workmates about being against violence toward women when he himself was guilty of doing just that in the worst way!?!
I wonder if he did go home to continue the argument or he went home to change out of his 'good shirt' because he planned on getting up to no good?
My opinion only

 

[Just.A.Hunch]

I'm sorry when I was on that web page it didn't ask for a subscription.

 

[marlywings]

This is heartbreaking

'What happened to Jill last night?': Tom Meagher's harrowing message to ABC friend

March 14, 2013

IN his frantic search for wife Jill on the morning of her disappearance, a distraught Tom Meagher sent this private Facebook message to one of her work colleagues: "Hey Skye - do you have any idea what happened to Jill last night? She never came home."
The harrowing message was one of a string that Mr Meagher sent out after realising his wife had gone missing in the early hours of Saturday, September 22.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...an-ernest-bayley/story-fndo1wyv-1226597366036

 

[FruitTingles]

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...an-ernest-bayley/story-fndo1wyv-1226597366036

Can someone help a new mother who is sleep deprived - At 9:02 in this video, the Zagames hotel footage: is that the time (bottom right hand corner) of when the surveillance actually recorded Jill crossing the road?

 

[Alli1982]

At the 1.09 point of this footage you can see AB's car going in and then coming out of the laneway. I know it's dark but I wonder if the cameras caught any movement when he dragged Jill in there? And possibly of him leaving to go get his car and shovel.

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/b...trangling-jill-court-told-20130313-2fzhq.html

Absolutely they did. Remember how they keep saying that there is further evidence books and the autopsy that has not been released due to being particularly disturbing and sensitive - also they may wait until actual trial to release some of this further detail. I have no doubt some of that included footage of him pulling her down that lane...monster.

 

[Alli1982]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/la...an-ernest-bayley/story-fnat79vb-1226596495389

it seems the phone of Jill and cross matching with everyone else who passed through city link at same time was their first lead - i wonder why they had to release his cctv footage in the hunt for the supposed mystery hooded man when they were cross referencing to his mobile/name/then address? They could have hooked this up with the confirmation of his identity on cctv footage themselves without releasing to public re who is this man?

 

[Ozelulu]

I don't understand why they are saying she was pulled into the laneway at 1.38 when the vision from the Duchess boutique was later than that. Can anyone explain that to me? It is just that 1.38 is such a precise time.

I just searched again and they say the footage from Duchess Boutique taken between 1.39am and 1.43am.

I don't get it.

 

[FruitTingles]

I don't understand why they are saying she was pulled into the laneway at 1.38 when the vision from the Duchess boutique was later than that. Can anyone explain that to me? It is just that 1.38 is such a precise time.

I just searched again and they say the footage from Duchess Boutique taken between 1.39am and 1.43am.

I don't get it.

I noticed the same thing! That's why I asked in my post just before. The Zagames hotel footage is "1:41am"

 

[Alli1982]

I don't understand why they are saying she was pulled into the laneway at 1.38 when the vision from the Duchess boutique was later than that. Can anyone explain that to me? It is just that 1.38 is such a precise time.

I just searched again and they say the footage from Duchess Boutique taken between 1.39am and 1.43am.

I don't get it.

um i think they are reported he starting accosting her at 138? i.e. after he runs behind her, slows down to then approach talking to her, then that old footage occurs amidst this 'accosting'? I also thought they always reported calling her brother at 143 too...i vaguely remember there being missing minutes during that original footage too..

however, after just reading that he made a call to someone at 1.50am, this must have been a very quick attack - i.e. less than 7 mins?

 

[Alli1982]

If you watch this footage, you will see Jill walking off to the left of screen, and then there is a splice-in of Bayley following her (he, hurriedly, turns off left also):
http://video.heraldsun.com.au/2342165393/Is-this-Jill-being-chased-by-her-accused-killer
That place into which they both turn off is called ‘Sparta Place’. This is a description of it: ‘Sparta Place is a quaint and quirky laneway, just off Sydney Road in Brunswick.’ You can read some more about it here:
http://www.weekendnotes.com.au/sparta-place-brunswick/
It is now my belief that walking down Sparta Place was Jill’s usual path home. She would walk down Sparta Place to Tripovich Street, take a right, walk up to Ballarat Street, take a left, walk all the way down to the Upfield Bike Path, cross it and walk right onto Nardella Way, then walk down Nardella to Ferrier Street, turn left into it, which leads right to Lux Way, her home.
All of this would explain the comments back at the time that ‘she shouldn’t have been up this far’- up as far as Hope Street- that path was not her usual routine. But I believe she was warned off her usual back-streets path as Bayley was there right behind her, hassling her, as we can see from the footage above- she turns into Sparta Place, only to have him tailgating her. So she must have changed plans away from Sparta Place, and decided to walk up the busy Sydney Road path- all the way to Hope Street, hoping to lose him along the way. That is where we see her, outside of Duchess Boutique in that infamous blue hoodie cctv footage, offering her final ploy to ward off Bayley: the good old talking on the mobile phone trick. Bayley must have walked off ahead of her during that call and went down Hope Street, hiding in some shadows and leapt out to grab her. This is terrible. That footage is particularly haunting; it reminds me of a Hitchcock film.

He followed and hassled her for about 170m- from Sparta Place to Duchess boutique; and no doubt she was trying to lose him that whole way. There is about another 80m from Duchess boutique to Hope Street- so 250m all up, according to my calculations on Google maps.

just as i wrote this, a new pope was elected. pity religion can't help in these cases.

sorry Paulie, I don't follow this at all - I can't see that either of them turned left, thought it was just Jill stumbling/hugging the left of footpath. Also, there is footage of her and him one minute later passing the real estate agent which is further down sydney road. If they had both turned off and come back there would have been mention of this.

 

[Alli1982]

25March isn't his trial, I heard a radio report saying that his trial will be later in the year.

http://www.criminal-lawyers.com.au/courts/tour/directions-hearing
Directions Hearing

DIRECTIONS HEARING IN A CRIMINAL CASE

A directions hearing is heard some time shortly before a County Court trial or Supreme Court trial. A directions hearing is generally heard either at 9 am or 9.30 depending on the Judge involved. It is very important that you are at Court on time for a directions hearing. They are not like many Court hearings where the time they start is very flexible.

Supreme Court or County Court Directions Hearings in a criminal case normally proceed very close to the time they are are listed and they do not take very long in Court time.

The first directions hearing is mainly aimed at case management to make sure that everything is going along on track.

A directions hearing enables the County Court or Supreme Court, amongst other things, to check that witnesses are available and that the accused has funds in place to pay for their representation.

At the directions hearing the Judge will make any necessary orders or directions relating to the case.

 

[ozazure]

um i think they are reported he starting accosting her at 138? i.e. after he runs behind her, slows down to then approach talking to her, then that old footage occurs amidst this 'accosting'? I also thought they always reported calling her brother at 143 too...i vaguely remember there being missing minutes during that original footage too..

however, after just reading that he made a call to someone at 1.50am, this must have been a very quick attack - i.e. less than 7 mins?

I don't think there was missing minutes in front of the bridal shop - it is motion detected and when they were standing still for the most part the video stopped recording briefly until they slightly moved again. It misses seconds multiple times.

I think the few minutes out here and there is not unexpected across different recording devices. Unless they are on computers linked to the internet the times can be out a few minutes.

He must have made that call pretty much immediately to try and give himself an alibi!

With regards to releasing the video footage when they had phone and citilink records ... I think these were probably being seen to simultaneously. It'd be remiss to sit on the cctv if Jill was being held captive somewhere while they tried to match car number plates to people and addresses and phones. Sounds like the IT forensics sealed the deal but someone may have recognised him immediately from the cctv.

 

[Ozelulu]

um i think they are reported he starting accosting her at 138? i.e. after he runs behind her, slows down to then approach talking to her, then that old footage occurs amidst this 'accosting'? I also thought they always reported calling her brother at 143 too...i vaguely remember there being missing minutes during that original footage too..

however, after just reading that he made a call to someone at 1.50am, this must have been a very quick attack - i.e. less than 7 mins?

Thanks for explaining that. I guess that makes sense.

The chief Crown prosecutor, Gavin Silbert, SC, told the court it was 1.38am when Bayley "accosted" Ms Meagher and "proceeded to drag her into a laneway on Hope St between Oven St and Sydney Rd, where he has raped and strangled her".

I took ^ as meaning he started accosting her AND dragged her into a laneway at 1.38 but I think you are right in how you have explained it.

Thank you.

 

[Angeline]

The other thing about his girlfriend that unsettles me - didn't she continue to visit him for some time AFTER he admitted all this to police??? She eventually stopped hence the suicide attempt.

Also, I suspect the "suppressed" information about the crime is going to relate to the time between the attack at 1am-ish and the time his car was filmed leaving the scene at 4am-ish. Has that been accounted for?

I remember Hinch said shortly after the arrest that the attack was "swift and brutal". I hope it was swift and she was unaware of much of it. That lovely family should not have to hear any more of this.

 

[Scoobysnack]

What ever the reasn is the police released the blue hoodie bridal footage .... Thank heavens, because that seems ti be the one thing connecting AB to other charges of rape against more if his victims.... And quite a few woman coming forward saying the man in the footage ( AB ) was in fact a positive match to other attempts .... Such as Catherine Devny's very public account of an encounter with a man wearing a blue hoodie while she was riding her bike.
http://m.smh.com.au/national/man-with-hoodie-attacked-me-deveny-20120926-26lwy.html

 

[inkpink]

What ever the reasn is the police released the blue hoodie bridal footage .... Thank heavens, because that seems ti be the one thing connecting AB to other charges of rape against more if his victims.... And quite a few woman coming forward saying the man in the footage ( AB ) was in fact a positive match to other attempts .... Such as Catherine Devny's very public account of an encounter with a man wearing a blue hoodie while she was riding her bike.

I wonder who he is going to claim to have had an argument with prior to those attacks he made. :shakehead:

 

[Paulie11]

Alli1982, I am addressing your concern in post #711.

This is the same footage, though it looks clearer:
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2013/03/12/19/33/meagher-s-last-moments-caught-on-camera
Jill is walking in the middle of the footpath, then she clearly walks to the left and then off the footpath- the place she is walking to is Sparta Place. If there is a building there- instead of Sparta Place (a shop-filled laneway)- she would not have been able to veer off-screen as she does, she would have to continue up the footpath. Now, she either stopped there for a rest on a bench, maybe to shuffle something around in her bags; but it is my contention that she was actually going to walk home down that path, though when Bayley came along- as he is himself seen walking left to Sparta Place- he approached her there and they maybe had an interaction and parted company. She, feeling uncomfortable walking the backstreets with a loitering-and-making-advances Bayley, came back onto Sydney Road and proceeded to walk the longer and more populated route up Sydney Road to Hope Street. This is supported by the claim that she &#8216;should not have been up this far&#8217;, and she should not have been, had she followed her usual routine to walk the backstreets down Sparta Place. She tried to lose him- though lose him she did not.
I believe Bayley has approached her in Sparta Place, they had a chat, then she walked off. In the next clip of footage from Sam Mihelakos Real Estate Agents, which is just further up from Sparta Place, Bayley is seen shadowing her at a distance. He continues this whole charade all the way up Sydney Road- keeping his distance and waiting for her to turn off into a side-street so he can pounce. Though the walk is long, very long, and after a while Bayley gets sick of this and approaches her again in front of Duchess, she reproaches him, and he walks off ahead of her. At this point we do not know what happens, but somehow she feels confident enough to walk left into Hope Street- possibly he gleans from her that she lived down Hope Street somewhere, so he races off ahead and hides in an alcove, or possibly he works some charm and just chats along with her, claiming to live just around here too, so we&#8217;ll both walk home together &#8216;because it&#8217;s dangerous in these streets at night&#8217;.

It seems to me that on the cctv footage of Jill veering-off into Sparta Place, the timer reads: 01:38:05. Bayley appears, running, at 1:38:59, and he, too, veers off into Sparta Place- just the nice, secluded, dark, off-beat kind of place one corners their target. There is a gap of around 55 seconds from when Jill turns into Sparta Place and when a jogging Bayley enters it. I am assuming he watched her before this- knew the area beforehand, that it is a dark maze of backstreets around there- and gave her those 55 seconds so that she, in high-heels, walked down sufficiently far for him to approach her very far into the street so that she could not alert passers-by from Sydney Road when he attacked her. This is very cunning. Though, when Bayley turned into Sparta Place- expecting to see Jill well down the road- he might have found Jill right there 10m from Sydney Road on a bench resting her weary feet. (Type &#8216;Sparta Place Brunswick&#8217; into Google Maps and a clear picture is shown of park-benches. I believe she would have rested on those, had a smoke, sms&#8217;d someone, etc.) He chatted to her, she chatted back, though did not take up his advances. She then decided it&#8217;s far too dangerous to walk the backstreets with a shadowing Bayley, so she hiked it up Sydney Road hoping to lose him along the way. After all, it was about 200m to Hope Street, which is a fair distance to lose someone, and also stopping to ask that group of three for a cigarette (outside Chemist Warehouse) would have been another tactic to lose Bayley.

This sounds correct to me. Please make additions, corrections as you see fit. My only issue is the &#8216;she should not have been up this far&#8217; comment. I forgot who made it
1) the surprised pizza shop owner reviewing cctv footage on the off chance it would contain Jill;
2) Tom Meagher;
3) The cops.
I forgot where that comment came from, but I think it ties in with what I am suggesting- that her routine was to walk home down Sparta Place (a trendy place where she would have possibly shopped, thus knew and liked) rather than trek the uphill hike to Hope Street. For those of you that don&#8217;t know, Sydney Road around this area inclines, which is a pain to walk- especially in high-heels (roughly 17 hours after you first left for work about 8am Friday 21st September).

That&#8217;s it, folks.
I welcome your comments!

 

[CuriousGrace]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/la...an-ernest-bayley/story-fnat79vb-1226596495389

it seems the phone of Jill and cross matching with everyone else who passed through city link at same time was their first lead - i wonder why they had to release his cctv footage in the hunt for the supposed mystery hooded man when they were cross referencing to his mobile/name/then address? They could have hooked this up with the confirmation of his identity on cctv footage themselves without releasing to public re who is this man?

My understanding is there was at least 6 or 7 members of the public including 1 man in particular who glanced back over his shoulder to look at AB and JM during this released CCTV footage. I believe they wanted these witnesses to come forward to provide information about the interactions or conversation they heard. At this point, they were probably trailing AB and waiting for further evidence to be collected before an arrest.

 

[CuriousGrace]

By the way can someone please tell me the outcome of the tip off. What was all that about? We didn't hear much about this over the last few days. Interestingly.

http://www.news.com.au/national-new...-of-police-probe/story-fndo4eg9-1226494761037