Australia Australia - Joanne Ratcliffe, 11, & Kirste Gordon, 4, Adelaide, 25 Aug1973

[Cliff Hardy]

i find it rather odd that he doesn't take part in the search seeing as hes supposed to be a family friend they said he had knowledge of kirsty and joanes movements but im not really sure what they ment by that

If Frank was a regular at games and he was sitting in a reserved seat, so that is probable. Then he would have seen Joanne regularly at games. He would also have seen Joanne take Kirste to the toilet earlier in the game in question, prior to the later visit to the toilet that saw the kids go missing. So it is fair to say Frank 'had knowledge of Kirsty and Joanne's movements.'

 

[Cliff Hardy]

I think the same about the unlikeliness. But according the article MrC linked; Frank later sold his house to the mother of another POI in the case - Bevan Spencer von Einem. Joanne's sister asked police to formally interview Frank.

Saw that. Quite a coincidence......or not?

 

[Cliff Hardy]

Reading about that sale of Frank's house. He sold it to the mother of child molester, murderer Bevan Spencer von Einem. It is quite a horrible 'coincidence' but I'm not sure if police ever suspected von Einem for the Adelaide Oval disappearances?

Bevan Spencer von Einem reads like one nasty piece of work : Bevan Von Einem | Murderpedia, the encyclopedia of murderers

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[mrC]

i dont think spencer vonon Einem was interestedin little girls all his victims were male so he probebly wouldent of been a suspect

 

[worldwatcher]

About Mark Trevor Marshall — confession to a counsellor placing him and his grandfather, Stanley Arthur Hart:

-There are too many pieces of information and details in there that are irrefutably real," .
Suzie Ratcliffe

"Joanne's sister wondered if Hart and Brown knew each other.

"Their resemblance is so much the same, their characteristics, the fact that they're both paedophiles. The links there are just unbelievable," she said.

"I wonder if they know each other, if they've worked together or have history together."
Hart seems to be at the heart of that ring. He was a very active paedophile and very well connected," Hayes said.

"I'm very familiar with how paedophiles operate, about the similarities, about the geographic profile of the area they hunt in.
They feel comfortable within a certain area. In this case, Hart was about five kilometres from the Adelaide Oval. Well within that geographic profile you might expect him to hunt in"

Under Investigation: Breakthrough in one of Australia's most baffling mysteries

I agree, that the perp seemed very familiar with the Oval, where the girls were abducted,
Imo, he knew every spot and corner, all the witnesses described the perp on the stake out, and hart was known for being a fan of one of the club's who played there.
I think - he had a member badge / membership there....

 

[mrC]

hart was familar with the location unlike most of the other suspects and he can be linked to the location only thing against him is that his place was searched and they dident find anything much

 

[Cliff Hardy]

About Mark Trevor Marshall — confession to a counsellor placing him and his grandfather, Stanley Arthur Hart:

-There are too many pieces of information and details in there that are irrefutably real," .
Suzie Ratcliffe

"Joanne's sister wondered if Hart and Brown knew each other.

"Their resemblance is so much the same, their characteristics, the fact that they're both paedophiles. The links there are just unbelievable," she said.

"I wonder if they know each other, if they've worked together or have history together."
Hart seems to be at the heart of that ring. He was a very active paedophile and very well connected," Hayes said.

"I'm very familiar with how paedophiles operate, about the similarities, about the geographic profile of the area they hunt in.
They feel comfortable within a certain area. In this case, Hart was about five kilometres from the Adelaide Oval. Well within that geographic profile you might expect him to hunt in"

Under Investigation: Breakthrough in one of Australia's most baffling mysteries

I agree, that the perp seemed very familiar with the Oval, where the girls were abducted,
Imo, he knew every spot and corner, all the witnesses described the perp on the stake out, and hart was known for being a fan of one of the club's who played there.
I think - he had a member badge / membership there....

Some of Marshall's observations of his father and grandfather are truly horrendous and no doubt true but for mine he just remembers far too much intricate detail of the girls and what he claims took place as a 3 year old, for it to be credible.

 

[mrC]

isnt Marshall's a convicted pedo himself

 

[Cliff Hardy]

isnt Marshall's a convicted pedo himself

Yes he is and as far as l know he is still serving time. There has always been a reward regarding the girls' disapoearance too. So pardon me if l choose to doubt Marshall.

 

[mrC]

the trouble with artists impression is narly all the known suspects fit it

 

[Cliff Hardy]

the trouble with artists impression is narly all the known suspects fit it

Ironic, isn't it. Perhaps that's just what a lot of early 70s, middle aged Adelaide men looked like?

 

[mrC]

harts property was searched was browns

 

[Cliff Hardy]

harts property was searched was browns

Good question. But Arthur Brown lived in northern Queensland and although it is possible he was in Adelaide in August 1973, it doesn't make a lot of sense that he would risk driving for 2 or 3 days with the girls in his car, even if they were in the boot.

 

[Mysterymommy]

I’ve been following this case for a while and to me Errol George Radan was a suspect in Beaumont kids and this case. Reading loads of info on him and the suspicions to both cases I honestly believe he is the one.

 

[Mysterymommy]

If Frank was a regular at games and he was sitting in a reserved seat, so that is probable. Then he would have seen Joanne regularly at games. He would also have seen Joanne take Kirste to the toilet earlier in the game in question, prior to the later visit to the toilet that saw the kids go missing. So it is fair to say Frank 'had knowledge of Kirsty and Joanne's movements.'

Freaky Friday Files: The Adelaide Oval Abduction

This edition of Freaky Friday Files discussing the concerning case of the Adelaide Oval abduction

www.asheycakes.com

Read this. It says he left for 30 minutes prior and refused to help look for them.

 

[mrC]

but frank couldn't of been the abductor though it is possble he wa involed in someway

 

[mrC]

the witness tell different stories one sighting has them being bundled in a car by a man another has them looking for a stray cat in the stands another has them with a group of other children they can't all be true sightings its possible none of them are but wich sighting is the most reliable

 

[mrC]

from the inquest The Age

 

[mrC]

id never herd about a ransom note before The Age

 

[TheWolf]

I apologise if this has already been asked/raised but, to my knowledge, BSVE is linked to this disappearance as he is to the Beaumont children disappearance. BSVE was convicted of the murder of Richard Kelvin and the testimony of an associate of his, "Mr. B", helped put him away. Mr. B also told police BVSE was linked to the Beaumont and Adelaide Oval abductions but police did not entirely believe him on this.

Seemingly coincidentally, "Frank" - the family friend who was at the game with the girls' families - sold his house to BSVE's mother so they had a connection. Frank's surname I have come to find out started with "B" and ended with "one". Is Frank Mr. B?

Has this ever been discussed here?