Found Deceased Australia - Karen Ristevski, 47, Melbourne, Vic, 29 June 2016 - #1

[Tangled_Web]

I wondered about the date of her departure/demise 29 JUN - end of the financial year ??

End of financial year seemed significant for Gerard Baden Clay also, he had told TMcH he would be 'out of his marriage' by that date ...

 

[emirates1957]

Yes Tangled_Web, the date triggered the old inventory.

 

[they'll get you]

End of financial year seemed significant for Gerard Baden Clay also, he had told TMcH he would be 'out of his marriage' by that date ...

Who are we talking about?

Couple ‘drowning in debt’ before wife vanished






https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/3209070...isappearance-karen-ristevski-melbourne/#page1

 

[ozazure]

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Who are we talking about?

Couple ‘drowning in debt’ before wife vanished






https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/3209070...isappearance-karen-ristevski-melbourne/#page1

The resemblance is something else, however his beard pre-dates her going missing at least.

 

[Puggle]

I'm reading this article that the $600,000 was HIS & HIS BROTHER'S debt from a decade ago.


Karen Ristevski was at risk of losing her home as her financial troubles are revealed

Mr Ristevski and his brother Vasko previously owned clothing manufacturer and wholesaler Blue Laser Jean Co, according the The Australian, and the company racked up $600,000 of unsecured debts after one of its major customers restructured.
Real estate group Vicinity and financial company Perpetual are believed to have lodged the caveat over the family home. The Australian understands Vicinity is the landlord at the Broadmeadows shopping centre where one of the Bella Bleu stores operates.

http://www.news.com.au/national/vic...d/news-story/8158ea55ce8b910f29697cefdda00d76

From what I understand the failed business they are discussing. ...the one with his brother failed in 2000 when liquidators took over in November of that year....16 years ago....... and the investors that lost money were himself, his brother, some other family members along with Karen.

I haven't found any evidence that he has ever applied for bankruptcy ... It would appear that they (Borce and Karen) were able to bounce back financially and their relationship remained intact ..... they have then gone on to create new businesses over the past 16 years.... so they would appear to have had a history of being able to weather the storm so to speak.

Its possible .....there is always that final straw that breaks the camels back... sure

How common it is for a Caveat to be taken out againsts a tenants house for rental arrears. .....anyone know ? (store leased)

One thing I find in his favor is his honesty about the reason she went for a walk.....

 

[Puggle]

What do people make of the mention of a 'second site', which has not been mentioned further? This seems to be critical.
I also remember reports in the newspaper and on tv saying that a breakthrough was expected last Friday in reference to this 'second site', but nothing was mentioned further. Either nothing came of it or something did come of it and the police are keeping it hidden from the public. It wasn't really clear if this 'second site' was related to the river behind their property or not. I once got the impression it was related to the river and handbag, but then i got the impression it was not about the river but about another place. This was never elaborated on.

The only thing that comes to mind when they mention a second site....is a disposal site.

Having grown up in and around these suburbs....a few areas come to mind. If the transport is vehicle and the aim is to go undetected....
If related domestically... then... Brimbank Park.....or somewhere around Milburn Road, Arundle Road or those that run at the back of Melbourne airport.

Im not saying that it is domestic.....just simply if it were... these would be areas I'd consider, simply based on the little knowledge we have of her life.....if Watergardens featured in their lives strongly.....and it was a work day she went missing...Wednesday?

 

[Phez2]

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/3209070...isappearance-karen-ristevski-melbourne/#page1

 

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[ScottKam]

I wonder how the media knew where Borce's brother lived, in order to ambush him for an interview. He looked like he was caught by surprise. Unless he lives a few doors away, i don't see how media could have come by that information. This is bit suspicious to me. And the photograph of his brother in the papers is not one which is front on, but a side-on kind of shifty photo, hardly flattering. I get the feeling that his brother comes across as being involved, and i'm not sure if the media are trying to paint it that way. That the Ristevski's house was in Karen's name, transferred after the 2000 collapse of business, is ominous, if you ask me. That, coupled with the brother, is odd. They media didn't ambush the auntie who came out and fronted the media at the infamous interview where Borce was directly asked if he killed his wife. But they somehow managed to corner the victim's husband's brother. Odd and telling.

If the brother is involved, it could have been planned in advance, obviously with both brother's knowledge. If the brother does indeed live a few doors down. Possibly he saw Karen going for the walk, told her he'll give her a lift. And the rest is now the subject of inquiry....

I saw mention of Karen being a director of some business. So there are still joint businesses around, and the brother might have capital tied up in them. This makes for a volatile combination.

 

[ScottKam]

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/3209070...isappearance-karen-ristevski-melbourne/#page1

That's an insensitive title. The river at the back of their house has been searched, and this title mentions drowning. It's lame journalism.

 

[sleepinoz]

I wonder how the media knew where Borce's brother lived, in order to ambush him for an interview. He looked like he was caught by surprise. Unless he lives a few doors away, i don't see how media could have come by that information. This is bit suspicious to me. And the photograph of his brother in the papers is not one which is front on, but a side-on kind of shifty photo, hardly flattering. I get the feeling that his brother comes across as being involved, and i'm not sure if the media are trying to paint it that way. That the Ristevski's house was in Karen's name, transferred after the 2000 collapse of business, is ominous, if you ask me. That, coupled with the brother, is odd. They media didn't ambush the auntie who came out and fronted the media at the infamous interview where Borce was directly asked if he killed his wife. But they somehow managed to corner the victim's husband's brother. Odd and telling.

If the brother is involved, it could have been planned in advance, obviously with both brother's knowledge.

I saw mention of Karen being a director of some business. So there are still joint businesses around, and the brother might have capital tied up in them. This makes for a volatile combination.

The brother seems to have been interviewed at the home of Karen and her husband.

Vic Ristevski, Borce’s brother, arrived at the family home this afternoon....

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/leader/...i/news-story/74fc7cc627029a017ea3957f16733498

Mrs Ristevski is listed as a sole shareholder and Mr Ristevski as a director of another business, The Australian reports.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/3209070...isappearance-karen-ristevski-melbourne/#page1

 

[ScottKam]

The brother seems to have been interviewed at the home of Karen and her husband.

I could swear i saw the brother about to get into a vehicle which was in front of a brick-facade house, while the Ristevski's house looks like it is a white-render facade. So i assumed the media were outside of his house. Maybe the brother came to the Ristevski's house and parked in the neighbours or something because there was a lot of media vehicles out the front.

 

[Puggle]

I could swear i saw the brother about to get into a vehicle which was in front of a brick-facade house, while the Ristevski's house looks like it is a white-render facade. So i assumed the media were outside of his house. Maybe the brother came to the Ristevski's house and parked in the neighbours or something because there was a lot of media vehicles out the front.

Yep.....say there would be alot of media camped out in front of the Ristevskis house......

Transferring the house into Karens name following the collapse of his business in 2000 sounds like a pretty smart move on Borce part....like a caring partner who wants to protect his partner from loosing her security.... a selfless act financially. ....to protect her.

 

[Puggle]

The brother seems to have been interviewed at the home of Karen and her husband.



http://www.heraldsun.com.au/leader/...i/news-story/74fc7cc627029a017ea3957f16733498



https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/3209070...isappearance-karen-ristevski-melbourne/#page1

Lol....wish there was a double for thanks..... Im hopeless at linking...

 

[ScottKam]

Yep.....say there would be alot of media camped out in front of the Ristevskis house......

Transferring the house into Karens name following the collapse of his business in 2000 sounds like a pretty smart move on Borce part....like a caring partner who wants to protect his partner from loosing her security.... a selfless act financially. ....to protect her.

That was then, this is now. I think that the house was in her name is sigificant. Someone else here mentioned life insurance. That would also be significant.

 

[ScottKam]

I wanted to know if anyone knows if someone can be charged with murder if no body is found. If in court the police argue a motive is present, though there is no body, could someone be charged with murder?

 

[Makara]

I wanted to know if anyone knows if someone can be charged with murder if no body is found. If in court the police argue a motive is present, though there is no body, could someone be charged with murder?

Yes, they can be charged with murder if there is enough evidence, albeit circumstantial, to present to the DPP. Circumstantial evidence is often a lot more powerful then the testimony of witnesses who may choose to lie under oath. Locating the body of a suspected murder victim is always more beneficial to investigators for all of the obvious reasons but if there is enough circumstantial evidence to hold up in a court of law, yes it can proceed.

 

[Makara]

I have a very hinky feeling that everything is not as it seems with this case. Did Karen inexplicably disappear of her own choosing?

 

[wewillgetyou]

For those in Australia the Today show on Channel 9 will be having a segment on this missing lady shortly.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

From what I understand the failed business they are discussing. ...the one with his brother failed in 2000 when liquidators took over in November of that year....16 years ago....... and the investors that lost money were himself, his brother, some other family members along with Karen.

I haven't found any evidence that he has ever applied for bankruptcy ... It would appear that they (Borce and Karen) were able to bounce back financially and their relationship remained intact ..... they have then gone on to create new businesses over the past 16 years.... so they would appear to have had a history of being able to weather the storm so to speak.

Its possible .....there is always that final straw that breaks the camels back... sure

How common it is for a Caveat to be taken out againsts a tenants house for rental arrears. .....anyone know ? (store leased)

One thing I find in his favor is his honesty about the reason she went for a walk.....

It's crazy rare to put a Caveat on a tenants house. We've leased shops for decades and I can't think of ever even considering such a move, we have also had tenants get months behind in the rent and let it go on because retail has been tough and you'd rather have someone in there (shop leases are typically 5 years), but eventually you just evict them if it seems the business is not going to recover. I think it's very rare, but perhaps the landlord had been offered the option because the tenants were desperate to stay in business and it was to avoid an eviction.