Found Deceased Australia - Karen Ristevski, 47, Melbourne, Vic, 29 June 2016 - #12

[Trooper]

'I don’t talk to her much', muses Vlasko... and yet, he appears to know the secret workings of Karen's mind, no worries... that she thought of escaping, the secret false passport, the destination, the scandal of the Ant babblings, her money situation, her arrangements with Borce, their inner workings of the marriage, her view on life......


but.. 'I don't talk to her much'........ sure, ........I'd be prepared to put a few thoroughbred mares on a bet that Karen didn't talk to Vlasko much, either..

 

[BReVeTTe]

Apart from our sense of Karen's resilience (and suicides aren't always predictable), it appears that SR saw Karen that morning, which doesn't leave much time for Karen to make the attempt and then for BR to decide she was conclusively dead beyond medical help and go into action around 10 or 10:30.

yes, i hear you.
but time factor of expiration, possible intervention and/or resuscitation, are all dependent on the chosen method.

The most "successful and surprising" instances of suicide are often made suddenly, by persons who have never previously expressed suicidal ideation, never threatened, nor attempted to commit ... and even the most resilient person has their breaking point.
regardless, i did only say it was 'high' on my list of possible scenarios, and not that it was my foremost and final thought/conclusion ... if only WE were as privy to the facts known by investigators of this case!
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one thing puzzling me slightly ... since KR's disappearance there has been much discussion and dissecting of ALL publicly stated by her family members ... yet the stated fact she had $850 cash in her bag, seems to have been taken at face value.
how many of you would honestly know how much cash your partner was carrying?
jmo


[emoji887]

 

[Macgarn]

hehe.... 'if your alive or dead'......I'd forgotten that little gem... .. .... :hand: it's hard not to laugh at some of the truly stupid stuff that accompanies these terrible terrible crimes.... ..

Besides not making any sense, linguistically
'alive or dead' is an interesting sequence to have said given that the saying 'dead or alive' is the colloquial phrasing. To me it suggests a deliberate placing of the word alive before the word dead because the individual is conscious of how saying 'dead or alive' would have been interpreted.

 

[ChiefWiggum]

Apart from our sense of Karen's resilience (and suicides aren't always predictable), it appears that SR saw Karen that morning, which doesn't leave much time for Karen to make the attempt and then for BR to decide she was conclusively dead beyond medical help and go into action around 10 or 10:30.

Edit: A husband who does that . . . I mean, she could have saved herself the trouble, because he was probably going to murder her in a few weeks anyway.

My theory was more along the lines of knowing that the night before they had a big argument, Karen goes to bedroom and hypothetically takes a bucket load of tablets which wouldn't be detectable in forensics by the time they find her body. SR is studying and maybe BR is sleeping on the couch or something?

They discover she has taken her own life overnight or early morning, and BR bullies SR into the cover up decision. If SR is part of the cover up she would then say she saw her alive that morning, but how do we know this is correct?

Could explain body language, why SR was so distraught she couldn't speak to people etc. There is certainly motive to cover up a suicide due to life insurance given financial pressure, and also explains why It seems odd that SR is standing by BR.

Also, I agree there may be signs pointing to KR being an unlikely person to take her own life, this is also balanced out in my mind by a relationship breaking down, a possible scandal with her stepson, financial pressure, closing down a business she loved, and maybe the straw that broke the camels back was SR fighting with her about money. Often people who take their own life are not those you would suspect.

Will be interesting when the truth comes out. Don't disagree BR looks like he could murder, but for me the SR involvement makes me think there is more to it.

 

[Oona]

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Sarah does not seem to be clinging to Borce, does she?



http://www.9news.com.au/national/20...vidence-in-ristevski-disappearance-sent-to-us
http://www.starweekly.com.au/news/search-for-missing-taylors-lakes-business-owner-enters-fifth-day/

The hair style of the person wearing the blue cap looks like the hair style of the person/ wombat in the video of BR overseas in the club.



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[sosocurious]

My theory was more along the lines of knowing that the night before they had a big argument, Karen goes to bedroom and hypothetically takes a bucket load of tablets which wouldn't be detectable in forensics by the time they find her body. SR is studying and maybe BR is sleeping on the couch or something?

They discover she has taken her own life overnight or early morning, and BR bullies SR into the cover up decision. If SR is part of the cover up she would then say she saw her alive that morning, but how do we know this is correct?

Could explain body language, why SR was so distraught she couldn't speak to people etc. There is certainly motive to cover up a suicide due to life insurance given financial pressure, and also explains why It seems odd that SR is standing by BR.

Also, I agree there may be signs pointing to KR being an unlikely person to take her own life, this is also balanced out in my mind by a relationship breaking down, a possible scandal with her stepson, financial pressure, closing down a business she loved, and maybe the straw that broke the camels back was SR fighting with her about money. Often people who take their own life are not those you would suspect.

Will be interesting when the truth comes out. Don't disagree BR looks like he could murder, but for me the SR involvement makes me think there is more to it.

BBM

Yes I agree.

 

[matey]

no one would have had any difficulty in persuading V and B to have a 'stud'..... I can hardly type this without snorting. Artificial insemination would be the go, and the rolls of 100 dollar bills would be peeled off the stack at warp speed... then the upkeep of the mares, because surely V and B wouldn't be into the stallions and mare things, that's a dangerous occupation and not for the amateur, but then, ... Anthony might lend a hand, or ... oh it's too much.

'Dad I might out come to up the stud last week message leave me '... this sort of scheduling.....

and who burned the 'restaurant ' down??... I wonder how much it was insured for....

Gee...I wonder who their poor Jockey was?...The Ant?

...

 

[Trooper]

yes, i hear you.

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one thing puzzling me slightly ... since KR's disappearance there has been much discussion and dissecting of ALL publicly stated by her family members ... yet the stated fact she had $850 cash in her bag, seems to have been taken at face value.
how many of you would honestly know how much cash your partner was carrying?
jmo


[emoji887]

(edited by me for brevity).....

well...... one sure way of knowing would be to count it. Which would require Borce to have possession of that handbag. Most likely without Karen's knowledge..... it is a surprisingly exact figure, no mucking about, like 'around $800 $900.... noooo. right on the target of $850, no more, no less.

And since the body was found minus the handbag, where is this proposed $850? or was it a figment of someone's overwrought imagination,,, perhaps a sort of prop to hint at the murderous motive of a stranger, who intuits the amount in Karens handbag from 50 metres and zones in.... .... pretty suspicious anyway it's looked at.

 

[sosocurious]

(edited by me for brevity).....

well...... one sure way of knowing would be to count it. Which would require Borce to have possession of that handbag. Most likely without Karen's knowledge..... it is a surprisingly exact figure, no mucking about, like 'around $800 $900.... noooo. right on the target of $850, no more, no less.

And since the body was found minus the handbag, where is this proposed $850? or was it a figment of someone's overwrought imagination,,, perhaps a sort of prop to hint at the murderous motive of a stranger, who intuits the amount in Karens handbag from 50 metres and zones in.... .... pretty suspicious anyway it's looked at.

It is a very precise amount isn't it?
When was the $850 first mentioned in the media?
I just recall black jacket, pants/jeans and a silver handbag and ?? shoes.

The coach purse was not mentioned until sometime later, from memory.
I guess the money must have been in the purse that was inside the bag.

Makes you wonder if the $850 may have been verified some other way.
The staff at the shop ... takings on the previous bad day.
ATM withdrawal the previous day.

Karens father requested that she keep his jewellery. Wonder if that has all been accounted for?

 

[Macgarn]

one thing puzzling me slightly ... since KR's disappearance there has been much discussion and dissecting of ALL publicly stated by her family members ... yet the stated fact she had $850 cash in her bag, seems to have been taken at face value.
how many of you would honestly know how much cash your partner was carrying?
jmo

IMHO KR was murdered and it was all over finances. The mere reference by BR to the $850 in her wallet, regardless of whether it was there or not, suggests a financially driven mind as BReVeTTe said above whose partner would really know a precise dollar figure in their spouse's wallet!? Together with the fact that the merc was not dumped or burnt out (that's how things are done properly isn't it?), suggests the party involved couldn't bare to part with the car ($$$).

Imo SR was not physically involved. I believe she was present during a very heated argument the night before about finances when threats of violence/death were made. I'd imagine she has been present to more than one of these kind of arguments in the past given the rosiness of the finances. I believed she is able to put two and two together like the rest of the mother's side of the family but not sure why she hasn't come forward. Presumably people have done stranger things in her circumstance.

The talk of innappropriate relations with AR and KR taking off overseas is all smoke and mirrors stuff thrown out there by those who a privvy to what actually happened in an attempt to discredit KR and deflect heat from BR.

BR was interested in the neighbour's CCTV because he wanted to know if he was caught on camera. Plain and simple. After being made aware (either by police in interview or on suggestion by VR when brainstorming about what to do) that there was likely to be other CCTV footage, the feeble fuel gauge story was concocted. It's a pity for BR that a car's computer logs all faults in code so that the integrity of this claim can be proven/disproven.

 

[BReVeTTe]

(edited by me for brevity).....

well...... one sure way of knowing would be to count it. Which would require Borce to have possession of that handbag. Most likely without Karen's knowledge..... it is a surprisingly exact figure, no mucking about, like 'around $800 $900.... noooo. right on the target of $850, no more, no less.

And since the body was found minus the handbag, where is this proposed $850? or was it a figment of someone's overwrought imagination,,, perhaps a sort of prop to hint at the murderous motive of a stranger, who intuits the amount in Karens handbag from 50 metres and zones in.... .... pretty suspicious anyway it's looked at.

all possibilities ^

another possibility?
although it's not typical for folk to carry vast quantities of "cash" these days, i have also wondered whether the stated $850 was merely a stated pittance ...
stated to conceal a far greater amount?
$8,500
$85,000 ...you get my drift

...just thoughts[emoji848]


[emoji887]

 

[sosocurious]

all possibilities ^

another possibility?
although it's not typical for folk to carry vast quantities of "cash" these days, i have also wondered whether the stated $850 was merely a stated pittance ...
stated to conceal a far greater amount?
$8,500
$85,000 ...you get my drift

...just thoughts[emoji848]


[emoji887]

Had had the same thought myself.

 

[Trooper]

ah.. it's odd about the Merc, in so many other ways, too, MacGarn.. my first thought was , here's ol' Borce, finally able to appropriate this little car and go for a whiz, and up yours to Karen.. the fuel gauge thing was so risible it would put a 10 yr old to shame, and casts unnecessary odium on Mercedes.....

..and just how unlucky would he have to be to drive in the exact same direction, on the exact same day, at around the exact same time his wife 'went for a walk'.. on the same highway that leads to where his wife's body is found much later!!.. I mean, peoples!!.. this is way over the odds of coincidence, and not even in the ball park of bad luck.

He could have driven north, to Pretty Sally, or east to Watsonia, or south to Ascot Vale, but no!!.. he drives east up the Calder!!......it's as if his life was being run by a psychic!!...

And on that same day, his phone is turned off for 100 minutes!!... that very same day!..... It's enough to string oneself around with garlic bulbs

 

[JLZ]

(edited by me for brevity).....

well...... one sure way of knowing would be to count it. Which would require Borce to have possession of that handbag. Most likely without Karen's knowledge..... it is a surprisingly exact figure, no mucking about, like 'around $800 $900.... noooo. right on the target of $850, no more, no less.

And since the body was found minus the handbag, where is this proposed $850? or was it a figment of someone's overwrought imagination,,, perhaps a sort of prop to hint at the murderous motive of a stranger, who intuits the amount in Karens handbag from 50 metres and zones in.... .... pretty suspicious anyway it's looked at.

Maybe it wasn't an exact figure to begin with? For example:

LE: Did she have any money on her?
BR: Yeah, she usually carried a bit.
LE: How much would she have had?
BR: Well, she took out a thousand on Monday. I don't think she would have spent much of that.
LE: She was carrying a thousand dollars?
BR: Maybe eight or nine hundred.
LE: Can we put a single figure on this, what's your best estimate?
BR: Eight hundred and fifty?

(My imaginings only.)

 

[Trooper]

all possibilities ^

another possibility?
although it's not typical for folk to carry vast quantities of "cash" these days, i have also wondered whether the stated $850 was merely a stated pittance ...
stated to conceal a far greater amount?
$8,500
$85,000 ...you get my drift

...just thoughts[emoji848]


[emoji887]

your drift is my fast flowing stream.. .. somewhere , deep in Borce's subconscious, the amount of $850 has a meaningful significance, it's the number he plucked out of the air, without stutter or stammer.... it has to have relevance of some nature not visible, as yet...

 

[Trooper]

Maybe it wasn't an exact figure to begin with? For example:

LE: Did she have any money on her?
BR: Yeah, she usually carried a bit.
LE: How much would she have had?
BR: Well, she took out a thousand on Monday. I don't think she would have spent much of that.
LE: She was carrying a thousand dollars?
BR: Maybe eight or nine hundred.
LE: Can we put a single figure on this, what's your best estimate?
BR: Eight hundred and fifty?

(My imaginings only.)

or we could apply Occams Razor and go with the simplest unelaborated scenario...... 'how much in her purse, Borce?...' $850, Constable '.... . ( raised eyebrows all round ) ....

 

[they'll get you]

The cops know and I'll bet the farm several phone calls went to Vasco before during and after the fight, in fact it would have brewing for days.
He's the 'go to' patriarch of the family. He's the smartest one who knows what to do or what say.

Lets ts face it, the golden child owned a racehorse!

Mr Slimey. IMO.

 

[Makara]

IMO the $850 mentioned by Borce was simply the day's takings plus the float. So, if for example, the float was $200.00, that left a measly $650 to bank. Borce mentioned that Karen didn't have a good day at the shop the day before she disappeared. IMO he was referring to the sad sum of $650 and that is what they argued about. Being involved in the boutique, of course Borce would know what money Karen had in her bag/purse or at least what the takings were every day.

If you read what Borce has had to say over the last 12 months (and admittedly it hasn't been much) he tends to weave some truth into his lies.

 

[timezone]

The missing purse is interesting in that if Karen was murdered at home, why would BR take purse to dispose of? Would it not have been easier for BR to leave it in the home as one would expect of someone merely going for a walk to clear her head? He needn't have disclosed how much was in the purse as it would be expected that he wouldn't necessarily know. Also if he had left the phone behind there would be no pings . Was it panic ..not thinking things through? Even if BR wanted the $850, no one really would have been any the wiser if he had pocketed the money and just left purse and phone behind. Why take the purse... unless maybe it was already in the car? Maybe KR was murdered in the car and this is the reason BR didn't take his own car which would have been a more logical thing to do???

 

[they'll get you]

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