Found Deceased Australia - Karen Ristevski, 47, Melbourne, Vic, 29 June 2016 - #12

[they'll get you]

BBM

Yes, that indignant look, probably followed by a big sulk and lots of silent treatment.

Theres just something about Princess Sarah......I'll try.
The facial expression is so distorted it's like she's used to putting on the tantrum to get her own way, the more I distort the more influence I'll have.

Just a mother's option here.

If it weren't for Aunty Pat that day it would have been a farcical useless excercise.

 

[Trooper]

the terrible dilemma murderers of wives with insurance and super and all that stuff where they , the murdering husband , is the beneficiary, is, in a nutshell, how to hide the body, to evade police suspicion, yet have the body found so that the monies can be claimed instead of waiting the 7 years thing for missing persons business to take it's long and arduous course.

It is something murderers must mull over day and night.. .. how to make murder effective, and efficient, where the end goal is met with the least kerfuffle.. ..does one leave the body sort of exposed to attract a strangers curiosity? or does one make it disappear for ever and ever .. ( Paul Wilkinson has hidden Kylie Laboucherie 's body so well, it's never been found , yet he is a lifer for her murder) ... .

this must have been on the murderers mind on that drive up to Macedon... . (such connotations for these Macedonian Brothers, too... like driving Karen to her rightful place.. ) should it be six feet under or just covered with logs?...

If money is the driver... then the logs it has to be otherwise a bloke has to wait those horrid 7 years, when people are going to crack one's kneecaps tomorrow....... .....

 

[they'll get you]

Could forensics see how many times a body was moved or would severe decomposition hide the lividity?

Laying inside the house, then inside the boot, possibly at a third location then moved to the logs.

Could Borce have panicked and put her at the burnt restaurant and then Vasko thought bad idea bro then Karen was moved again?

I have faith our cops know these answers already.

 

[Oz Jen]

Sleep, you could be right about the Merc exiting the freeway at Diggers to meet up with someone at Toolern Vale!

Any self-respecting member of the horseracing fraternity would surely be very familiar with "Thoroughbred Country" Toolern Vale, rubbing shoulders with successful breeders and trainers.

'The area is often referred to as "Thoroughbred Country". VicRoads has issued special, gold and brown "Thoroughbred Country" licence plates which are often seen being spotted on vehicles from Toolern
Vale.

Geez, I'll bet VR and BR - being 'studs' and all - are spewing they don't have special plates too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toolern_Vale,_Victoria

 

[JLZ]

TGY, I query whether there would have been any flesh left.

 

[Trooper]

Could forensics see how many times a body was moved or would severe decomposition hide the lividity?

Laying inside the house, then inside the boot, possibly at a third location then moved to the logs.

Could Borce have panicked and put her at the burnt restaurant and then Vasko thought bad idea bro then Karen was moved again?

I have faith our cops know these answers already.

not improbable, TGY... but I bet every internment was a hurried rushed job... not long inside the house, and not long in the boot, but at the burnt out restaurant, for sure, THEN onto the place where she was eventually found, and who knows if that was meant to be the final chosen spot?.. only the killer knows........ I reckon the cops know precisely where and how, and as an added bonus they probably told Vlasko's psychic to put the fear of you know who up him and force it into a 3rd move.. .. .

' I see a ....a. something that looks like a big parcel, Vlasko... it is at the wrong address.. ... yes... I am hearing instructions, yes,,,you have to...wait.. you have to move, the parcel.. you have to pass the parcel, to a place of your childhood heritage, yes.. yes,.. that's the message... '

 

[Chewie1]

Thanks guys.
When I read 'an ant checking into bunnings' made me think I might be asking some stupid questions.

The reason why I asked about the iPad, would be interested to know where on the timeline that fits. Whether it was before or after Karen was reported missing.
Just thinking about the pings, the phone being off, the hours BR is unaccountable for, what time the CCTV footage of the car has been captured, When Sarah states she saw her mother last...

Edit: was the minutes that BR said he can't account for the same time the car on CCTV was captured?

I think the timing of the pings is vital evidence and may not be released until the case goes to trial.

 

[Trooper]

Sleep, you could be right about the Merc exiting the freeway at Diggers to meet up with someone at Toolern Vale!

Any self-respecting member of the horseracing fraternity would surely be very familiar with "Thoroughbred Country" Toolern Vale, rubbing shoulders with successful breeders and trainers.

'The area is often referred to as "Thoroughbred Country". VicRoads has issued special, gold and brown "Thoroughbred Country" licence plates which are often seen being spotted on vehicles from Toolern
Vale.

Geez, I'll bet VR and BR - being 'studs' and all - are spewing they don't have special plates too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toolern_Vale,_Victoria

people would kill for one of those!.:saythat:..

 

[tiddles24]

So as it now appears...

Police had seized Karen's Merc and conducted a staged re-enactment with "her car" on Monday when police were seen driving "her car" from the Avondale Heights home reportedly in the direction of Mt Macedon where her body was found...

During the staged police re-enactment, a police car followed the Merc as it headed back to the Avondale Heights home before being placed onto a tow truck...

A witness working in the area snapped a pic of the Merc on a tow truck and later told 3AW that the car was escorted by an unmarked police station wagon with flashing lights...MOO

 

[Cads]

So as it now appears...

Police had seized Karen's Merc and conducted a staged re-enactment with "her car" on Monday when police were seen driving "her car" from the Avondale Heights home reportedly in the direction of Mt Macedon where her body was found...

During the staged police re-enactment, a police car followed the Merc as it headed back to the Avondale Heights home before being placed onto a tow truck...

A witness working in the area snapped a pic of the Merc on a tow truck and later told 3AW that the car was escorted by an unmarked police station wagon with flashing lights...MOO

If it was Karens car.... I wonder who pays for the fuel and e-tag.... LOL ..... :thinking: :worms: hahaha
I hope the tank was full BR...

 

[moreinfo]

Could forensics see how many times a body was moved or would severe decomposition hide the lividity?

Laying inside the house, then inside the boot, possibly at a third location then moved to the logs.

Could Borce have panicked and put her at the burnt restaurant and then Vasko thought bad idea bro then Karen was moved again?

I have faith our cops know these answers already.

I've always thought the burnt out restaurant was a place of signifance. If we are to believe the witnesses that saw Borce and Vasko at the grave site and Borce on another occasion then it makes sense that her body was moved. Otherwise some of her personal belongings may have been left there for a period of time .
Whatever it was there was something at the burnt out restaurant b/c cops walked away with brown bags filled with something .

 

[sleepinoz]

I've always thought the burnt out restaurant was a place of signifance. If we are to believe the witnesses that saw Borce and Vasko at the grave site and Borce on another occasion then it makes sense that her body was moved. Otherwise some of her personal belongings may have been left there for a period of time .
Whatever it was there was something at the burnt out restaurant b/c cops walked away with brown bags filled with something .

I doubt it was her phone that was left there, at the time, as it pinged further up the road at Gisborne.

 

[tiddles24]

things. :floorlaugh:

:floorlaugh: Oh TGY you are so funny...How about this !!!





Perhaps wishfull thinking on my part ??? lease:...

 

[Armchair snoop]

BBM

Yes, that indignant look, probably followed by a big sulk and lots of silent treatment.

And to think everybody canned that reporter for asking THAT question. I don't mean on this site of course.

 

[Trooper]

Has anyone, Vlasko , Mumma, Sarah, Borce, anyone at all come up with who they think might have done it?... remembered any horrid enemy of Karen, aaangry strangers hanging about the street, strange phonecalls , suspicious door knockers, weird letters in the mail, stalkers on the internet, etc, disgruntled former employees... all this kind of thing.. ?? anything? anyone? ...

It appears to me that none of these options have been floated, not even by the family.. which is odd in itself, because, by now, lots of thought would have been processed, and old conversations gone over in minute detail....

 

[they'll get you]

Has anyone, Vlasko , Mumma, Sarah, Borce, anyone at all come up with who they think might have done it?... remembered any horrid enemy of Karen, aaangry strangers hanging about the street, strange phonecalls , suspicious door knockers, weird letters in the mail, stalkers on the internet, etc, disgruntled former employees... all this kind of thing.. ?? anything? anyone? ...

It appears to me that none of these options have been floated, not even by the family.. which is odd in itself, because, by now, lots of thought would have been processed, and old conversations gone over in minute detail....

I think it was Borce who suggested a bad stranger or some dribble.

 

[Armchair snoop]

Has anyone, Vlasko , Mumma, Sarah, Borce, anyone at all come up with who they think might have done it?... remembered any horrid enemy of Karen, aaangry strangers hanging about the street, strange phonecalls , suspicious door knockers, weird letters in the mail, stalkers on the internet, etc, disgruntled former employees... all this kind of thing.. ?? anything? anyone? ...



It appears to me that none of these options have been floated, not even by the family.. which is odd in itself, because, by now, lots of thought would have been processed, and old conversations gone over in minute detail....

I think BR put forward that it was an evil stranger :floorlaugh:

 

[Trooper]

I think it was Borce who suggested a bad stranger or some dribble.

:fishy: oh yea, that was a vague nod to general badness, at the same time Vlasko was informing us all of his grasp of this sort of stuff , women, running away, easy false passports, US, China, long planned.. until Borce told him to can it... ... I recall Borce gave no sort of rational detail, like .. I saw a shadow, or a strange car near our house, or I've been feeling watched , lately.. none of this normal stuff...

Even now, even Auntie Patty isn't going to go down the guessing lane, .. so you'd have to conclude that she is aware of who the major suspect is.. and probably why he is, the real details....

 

[sosocurious]

Has anyone, Vlasko , Mumma, Sarah, Borce, anyone at all come up with who they think might have done it?... remembered any horrid enemy of Karen, aaangry strangers hanging about the street, strange phonecalls , suspicious door knockers, weird letters in the mail, stalkers on the internet, etc, disgruntled former employees... all this kind of thing.. ?? anything? anyone? ...

It appears to me that none of these options have been floated, not even by the family.. which is odd in itself, because, by now, lots of thought would have been processed, and old conversations gone over in minute detail....

Ant put himself forward as having a reason ........

No one jumped on to that though, maybe CR a bit.

 

[Trooper]

I think BR put forward that it was an evil stranger :floorlaugh:

those evil strangers!!... you cant cross the road without bumping into one!!!!:chicken::cuckoo: