Found Deceased Australia - Karen Ristevski, 47, Melbourne, Vic, 29 June 2016 - #13

[CalliopeGG]

Thank you. I hadn't thought of that (literal) interpretation of "walked". I wish I'd walked with you that morning, as in, I wish I'd been walking with you to protect you. I was thinking "walked" meant walked out. I wish I'd walked (out/off) with you, abandoned Dad and the family thing when you asked me to. In which case Karen didn't go for a walk, she "walked out" in the Mercedes, which somebody had to bring back home after she was dead.

My initial feeling on reading it is that he knows more about what actually happened that morning than he has been letting on, as in he knew they had been arguing and that perhaps Karen was in danger.

That was just my first impression, which could be quite wrong.

Interesting he's used the term "walked".

 

[Pi Thoughts]

Where they still in debt to the tune of $600,000 as reported?...if so that would be approx $30,000 per year interest ony (at 5%). Add on living expenses, rates, insurances, registrations etc and there is a lot of money outgoing.



http://www.news.com.au/national/vic...h/news-story/1875f9c28ec39a2301e80b103ab996bb

"HE’S the number one suspect in his wife’s death, according to his lawyer, but decades before Karen Ristevski’s badly decomposed body was found, her husband Borce was a successful businessman.

But the family was plunged into debt when the clothing manufacture and wholesaler, Blue Jean Co, which Mr Ristevski owned with his brother Vasko, collapsed and left him with $600,000 in unsecured debt.

It’s a debt that has plagued the family for more than a decade, and Mr Ristevski said he was fighting with his wife about their money woes the day she went missing."

 

[Trooper]

We don't know that. It seems he had things fairly easy, coasting off Karen's hard work. If there's no insurance, he'll have to work rather harder in future unless/until he's gaoled.

who is 'we' in this context?>. and what is it that 'we' don't know?.....

 

[CalliopeGG]

For all of the reasons that have been discussed on here, it seems that Karen was becoming a thorn in BR's side and that somewhere along the line he began to think life would be better without Karen in it... hence when away in Thailand(without K) he probably ruminated upon his problems. It is likely that he said "good place to dispose of a body" because he was obsessing about his problems and also felt he had a degree of anonymity.
The INTENTION was formed. The rage/jealousy( ??) building all awaiting the car crash of a heated argument.. If he planned it , surely he would have given himself an alibi etc. MOO

I agree with you and have always felt this to be the case. He had thought about it, had some sort of plan, perhaps learned from GBC and other's mistakes, but at the time he cracked it and lost control. In that highly emotional state, the limbic system of the brain took over and his higher reasoning was out of action, hence the mistakes. JMOO

https://www.psychologytoday.com/sites/default/files/attachments/51483/handling-the-hijack.pdf

 

[Trooper]

For all of the reasons that have been discussed on here, it seems that Karen was becoming a thorn in BR's side and that somewhere along the line he began to think life would be better without Karen in it... hence when away in Thailand(without K) he probably ruminated upon his problems. It is likely that he said "good place to dispose of a body" because he was obsessing about his problems and also felt he had a degree of anonymity.
The INTENTION was formed. The rage/jealousy( ??) building all awaiting the car crash of a heated argument.. If he planned it , surely he would have given himself an alibi etc. MOO

murder was on his mind, ey, Time......... and like most murderers, he surely would have thought out an alibi. But life is so unpredictable... things , quite often just will not go to plan, and this murder, the death of Karen Ristevski seems to be one of those kind of murders when it's one cockup after another, until everyone is gobsmacked with the glaring realisation of their own stupidity.. Borce, Vlasko, Ant, and so on...

Most likely the murder wasn't meant to be on that day, or in that place and the 'alibi' went to hell very quickly. Vlasko's attempts at helping out with the 'explanation' the false passport, the USA, China, and so on, were soon shutup by Borce, but they did have a rehearsed air about them. Vlasko had a lot of embroidered detail in his story.

Intention is everything.....

 

[Oona]

For all of the reasons that have been discussed on here, it seems that Karen was becoming a thorn in BR's side and that somewhere along the line he began to think life would be better without Karen in it... hence when away in Thailand(without K) he probably ruminated upon his problems. It is likely that he said "good place to dispose of a body" because he was obsessing about his problems and also felt he had a degree of anonymity.
The INTENTION was formed. The rage/jealousy( ??) building all awaiting the car crash of a heated argument.. If he planned it , surely he would have given himself an alibi etc. MOO

Yes it appears he didn't really think things through because his first and second versions of events were both undone by those pesky phone pings and CCTV..... and maybe even some witnesses.


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[Hbayne]

And yet he hasn't been arrested yet......

 

[JLZ]

who is 'we' in this context?>. and what is it that 'we' don't know?.....

I don't know whether there's any insurance or superannuation in question. I don't think it's in the public domain whether there is or not. We, or anyway I, don't know whether Karen was planning to leave/kick him out. He may have had a financial benefit in murdering her. Perhaps he didn't. Perhaps others know more.

 

[CalliopeGG]

murder was on his mind, ey, Time......... and like most murderers, he surely would have thought out an alibi. But life is so unpredictable... things , quite often just will not go to plan, and this murder, the death of Karen Ristevski seems to be one of those kind of murders when it's one cockup after another, until everyone is gobsmacked with the glaring realisation of their own stupidity.. Borce, Vlasko, Ant, and so on...

Most likely the murder wasn't meant to be on that day, or in that place and the 'alibi' went to hell very quickly. Vlasko's attempts at helping out with the 'explanation' the false passport, the USA, China, and so on, were soon shutup by Borce, but they did have a rehearsed air about them. Vlasko had a lot of embroidered detail in his story.

Intention is everything.....

Also it's not as easy as one might think, I imagine, unless you've done it before (shudder!). You've rage and then panic to deal with, the body is flooded with adrenaline and it would be so hard to think straight.

I'm picking most of us on here would know what to do to avoid detection, which we can all put to good use by teasing out the opposite. Would I make mistakes under stress?? I think I probably would go to absolute custard, even though I know exactly what to avoid.

Disclaimer: I'm putting myself inside the head of a first time killer here and have no desire to commit any sort of crime!

 

[sosocurious]

If you had a wayward, ice addict half brother that loved to rant on facebook and publicly.....for whatever reason.
A half brother that whether fact or fiction was yabbering about the family conflict. A conflict that did not shed her mother who she said yeah she just went ballistic in good light.
A half brother that had been getting visits from your father while in prison and not so long ago.
A half brother that said his father watched him use drugs.
A half brother that was using ice and a lot of it when cousin CR was knocking around with him.

Why would you say this to the media?

Sarah said: “If anyone knows anything, even something small, please contact the police.
“Please respect our privacy. It’s getting really hard. We’re just a small family: me, dad, and mum. We miss her.”

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...e/news-story/61c942286677a956b7736301c3a5dc2d

Me mum and dad. I am an only child.

Did Sarah really think Ant was ever going to be hidden or was she trying to draw attention to him. The media certainly jumped onto him.
imo

 

[Trooper]

I don't know whether there's any insurance or superannuation in question. I don't think it's in the public domain whether there is or not. We, or anyway I, don't know whether Karen was planning to leave/kick him out. He may have had a financial benefit in murdering her. Perhaps he didn't. Perhaps others know more.

he may have benefited from the cessation of nagging and blame about the horrendous debt the family was carrying due to Borce's business ineptitude.....the questioning about his current business efforts may have grated too.....

Judging by the names Vlasko and Borce called their 'businesses'... 'International Cleaning'...Presidential Catering'..etc.. distinct delusions of grandeur there, then to come home to the wife without $20 for a litre of milk and a loaf bread.. humiliating........ and Borce is a short kind of bloke, too.......

 

[JLZ]

he may have benefited from the cessation of nagging and blame about the horrendous debt the family was carrying due to Borce's business ineptitude.....the questioning about his current business efforts may have grated too.....

Judging by the names Vlasko and Borce called their 'businesses'... 'International Cleaning'...Presidential Catering'..etc.. distinct delusions of grandeur there, then to come home to the wife without $20 for a litre of milk and a loaf bread.. humiliating........ and Borce is a short kind of bloke, too.......

Their own names are kind of interesting too. Vasko meaning king, Borce meaning lucky or god, Sarah meaning princess.

 

[Gigi30]

But she is an only child! I don't find her wording odd at all. I think it may be a cultural thing... Europeans etc don't really acknowledge blended families...I talk from personal experience

 

[they'll get you]

he may have benefited from the cessation of nagging and blame about the horrendous debt the family was carrying due to Borce's business ineptitude.....the questioning about his current business efforts may have grated too.....

Judging by the names Vlasko and Borce called their 'businesses'... 'International Cleaning'...Presidential Catering'..etc.. distinct delusions of grandeur there, then to come home to the wife without $20 for a litre of milk and a loaf bread.. humiliating........ and Borce is a short kind of bloke, too.......

We don't know what assets Vasko has but it appears BR has lost a lot and in wallowing debt.
Was there a rivalry between the brothers? Who could outdo each other?
Is Vasko the golden child that Borce needed to outdo to impress and blamed Karen.
Both wives ran businesses, was VR's mrs doing better that Karen.
This could have started the hatred for Karen.

 

[JLZ]

If you had a wayward, ice addict half brother that loved to rant on facebook and publicly.....for whatever reason.
A half brother that whether fact or fiction was yabbering about the family conflict. A conflict that did not shed her mother who she said yeah she just went ballistic in good light.
A half brother that had been getting visits from your father while in prison and not so long ago.
A half brother that said his father watched him use drugs.
A half brother that was using ice and a lot of it when cousin CR was knocking around with him.

Why would you say this to the media?

Sarah said: “If anyone knows anything, even something small, please contact the police.
“Please respect our privacy. It’s getting really hard. We’re just a small family: me, dad, and mum. We miss her.”

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...e/news-story/61c942286677a956b7736301c3a5dc2d

Me mum and dad. I am an only child.

Did Sarah really think Ant was ever going to be hidden or was she trying to draw attention to him. The media certainly jumped onto him.
imo

I'd call it "erasing".

 

[Deleted member 102539]

What's the bet someone tries to off themselves when the cops get ready to arrest.

https://www.vicpolicenews.com.au/news/gisborne-fatal-collision

Eta: Oh, NOT AVAILABLE today??

When I read that ^^ I thought already of a man who had a reason to cross to the wrong side of the road ......

http://www.bendigoadvertiser.com.au/story/4810208/fatal-collision-in-gisborne/

Try that, it's available. ^^

 

[Oz Jen]

Before I joined WS I had no knowledge of phone pings, triangulations, soil differences, etc. Jeez, if I'd committed a murder before joining, then it would have been so transparent and awkward. :shame: Maybe Borce had no clue either. Maybe he just switched his phone off so as not to be disturbed? No distractions. If the google searches on the iPad were conducted after the deed, then this is my thinking. If they were searched beforehand, that will change my perception.

 

[Hbayne]

Before I joined WS I had no knowledge of phone pings, triangulations, soil differences, etc. Jeez, if I'd committed a murder before joining, then it would have been so transparent and awkward. :shame: Maybe Borce had no clue either. Maybe he just switched his phone off so as not to be disturbed? No distractions. If the google searches on the iPad were conducted after the deed, then this is my thinking. If they were searched beforehand, that will change my perception.

I agree, thats the million dollar question. Were the searches before or after ???? Either way they seem very incriminating. Gerard Baden Clay was found to have searched up "pleading the fifth" on his devices after he killed poor Allison. I believe he tried to justify it by saying he was watching a to show that used this term and wanted to know what it was or something along those lines. Wonder what Borce or whoever was the searcher will come up with ?

 

[sosocurious]

But she is an only child! I don't find her wording odd at all. I think it may be a cultural thing... Europeans etc don't really acknowledge blended families...I talk from personal experience

Do you mean they don't acknowledge the children that come into a relationship as in step children?
AR is Borces bio son he was there before Karen evidently.
Wonder if the family even knew about AR's existence before he found his father aged 14 years.

 

[decsimp]

Before I joined WS I had no knowledge of phone pings, triangulations, soil differences, etc. Jeez, if I'd committed a murder before joining, then it would have been so transparent and awkward. :shame: Maybe Borce had no clue either. Maybe he just switched his phone off so as not to be disturbed? No distractions. If the google searches on the iPad were conducted after the deed, then this is my thinking. If they were searched beforehand, that will change my perception.

Same and i think it's much more significant if it occured before she went missing. The ipad search evidence also came at the same time VR was sprung lurking around where KR was found - a coincidence? I would not be surprised if the searches happened after BRs first interview with police and he was googling based off what police asked him/told him. And the release of the ipad search info and the VR sighting was a tatic to apply immense pressure. Now if the police have mentioned nothing about finding blood to BR then him searching about it would also be very significant in my opinion

I just can't believe that if it is BR and he did it uplanned and in the middle of the day , the police cant pin him down for it. Crazy and what are police waiting for? I hope they're not waiting for him to crack because i don't think he will - staying silent has worked for over a year for him now. So frustrating!



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