Found Deceased Australia - Karen Ristevski, 47, Melbourne, Vic, 29 June 2016 - #16 *Arrest*

[Armchair snoop]

Will we get a result from the committal today?

Next Thursday at the latest. 3AW news

 

[Moosebegoose]

Oh Borce, you're a murderer - plain and simple.
How this family managed to keep up their image and keep getting loans is BEYOND me... surely the bank would've said "no more!"

 

[sosocurious]

Oh Borce, you're a murderer - plain and simple.
How this family managed to keep up their image and keep getting loans is BEYOND me... surely the bank would've said "no more!"

Make you wonder who they know.

 

[Morrisa]

Borce Ristevski' daughter Sarah says his behaviour was unusual after Karen's death | Daily Mail Online

In a conversation captured by a police listening device in September that year, Sarah Ristevski questioned her father about what he was doing that day.

 

[sleepinoz]

Oh Borce, you're a murderer - plain and simple.
How this family managed to keep up their image and keep getting loans is BEYOND me... surely the bank would've said "no more!"

Probably not all from banks, some were family and loan sharks have been mentioned.

 

[sleepinoz]

Borce Ristevski' daughter Sarah says his behaviour was unusual after Karen's death | Daily Mail Online

In a conversation captured by a police listening device in September that year, Sarah Ristevski questioned her father about what he was doing that day.

Yes I noticed that, so well after they knew the house was bugged.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Boot of her own car.

Does that mean they have proof she was in the boot?

 

[sleepinoz]

Boot of her own car.

Does that mean they have proof she was in the boot?

I would think so Tootsie

 

[Moosebegoose]

Boot of her own car.

Does that mean they have proof she was in the boot?

Forensics probably pulled up something minuscule that could be the vital key?

Another reason BR could've had motive is because he didn't want to divorce? Not because he didn't want to lose Karen but either he would be outed as broke or divorce is an expensive thing he couldn't afford. Well we know he couldn't afford anything, but that's not the point here...

 

[Chewie1]

I am optimistic the prosecution will go to trial with murder charges. A jury will find Borce guilty, a sentence made. Then the appeals will begin imo.

They have forensic science, forensic accounting, "secret" telecom evidence, motive. A husband who hid the truth from not just police, but her family.

Her family, their knowledge, along with the clear timeline of police evidence, will win this case for Karen imo. Borce has attempted to hide the truth at every step.

Her daughter? All I want to say is... once when I was young, I protected my family even though I bore witness to terrible things. He's her only parent left. I don't think he'll protect her though. He'll use anything he has (not a lot.)

She's much like the girls in The Staircase in my eyes. Not a good position, but I can unfortunately see how people hold on to the tiniest scrap of hope that your family are decent folk, even when everything's truly lost. I think I've been there myself, and it's like you compartmentalise your life so well... you can't see the big picture. It's easier to explain away terrible things too.

If she doesn't tell the truth, or see the truth, she'll be in her own moral prison for the rest of her life.

Truly brilliant , logical and heartfelt post. Thank you so much for your input and perspective, that must have been hard to write.

 

[Chewie1]

I think that is a mischaracterization of the process.. The burden of proof at committal for the Prosecutor is extremely stiff, in fact, a great deal of the court's money and time depends in the integrity of it, and the logic of it. The defence, at committal needs to do nothing , as you may have noticed, no one was called for the defence at all, which is usual, the entire burden rests upon the Prosecution.

The argument of the defence is necessary and Borce is entitled to it. It would be about even in regard to cases going to trial after a committal is heard, this is usually a matter reserved for the Supreme Court trials, and is a very necessary part of the entire process.

Great post Trooper

 

[sosocurious]

* The bugged conversation took place 21 December 2016
* The first hint Sarah doubted her fathers story was when she asked. "What did you really do that day?"
* Br said he went up the Calder for shisha but did not tell the police that.
* When SR pressed him he said he did not want her knowing the intimate details.

Category: | Herald Sun
Ristevski latest: Daughter Sarah’s questions aired in court

 

[Morrisa]

* The bugged conversation took place 21 December 2016
* The first hint Sarah doubted her fathers story was when she asked. "What did you really do that day?"
* Br said he went up the Calder for shisha but did not tell the police that.
* When SR pressed him he said he did not want her knowing the intimate details.

Category: | Herald Sun
Ristevski latest: Daughter Sarah’s questions aired in court

She asked the question 6 months later?

 

[sleepinoz]

* The bugged conversation took place 21 December 2016
* The first hint Sarah doubted her fathers story was when she asked. "What did you really do that day?"
* Br said he went up the Calder for shisha but did not tell the police that.
* When SR pressed him he said he did not want her knowing the intimate details.

Category: | Herald Sun
Ristevski latest: Daughter Sarah’s questions aired in court

BBM - He didn't want her knowing the INTIMATE details. Of what? How he killed her? Or what happened afterwards?

 

[sleepinoz]

She asked the question 6 months later?

Well one report says September and one December - 3 or 6 months - still way too late to ask those questions.

 

[sosocurious]

BBM - He didn't want her knowing the INTIMATE details. Of what? How he killed her?

That's all it says.
When Sarah pressed. The reply was I don't want you knowing the "intimate details".
It could have meant the intimate details of his shisha purchase up the Calder.
But I am thinking it was more don't ask what you don't want to know.
imo

 

[madoodi]

She asked the question 6 months later?

Could it be that she was perhaps prompted by police to ask those questions. Given that the house was bugged?

 

[sosocurious]

Well one report says September and one December - 3 or 6 months - still way too late to ask those questions.

Maybe the house was bugged from September to December or longer.
What information was in the media Sept through Dec 2016?
She was not speaking to the police so - maybe she was reading msn.
cctv in the street - phone pings - did we know Borce's phone was off for two hours?

 

[Armchair snoop]

WHAT BORCE SAID WHEN BODY FOUND

On February 20, 2017, when a body was found at Mount Macedon, Channel 9 Melbourne bureau chief Jonathan Gwinner called Mr Ristevski to tell him about the news.

At the time, it was not known that the body was Ms Ristevski’s.

The initial response from Mr Ristevski was allegedly: “Well, it’s got nothing to do with me.”

Mr Fisher said the response was not in line with what might be expected from a husband grieving for his missing wife.

“It’s eight months later and that was the reaction of the accused man and is, in my submission, consistent with a pattern of denying any involvement when he spoke to police or others,” Mr Fisher said.
Ristevski daughter grills dad

Well this statement says it all about the type of person the police were dealing with. Would have to be there up top with the best from Vasko. You pig of a man. Justice for Karen.

 

[sosocurious]

A listening device captured the conversation between the father and daughter on December 21, 2016 - six months after Ms Ristevski’s disappearance.


'Out getting shisha': Borce Ristevski reveals movements to daughter in bugged conversation