Found Deceased Australia - Karen Ristevski, 47, Melbourne, Vic, 29 June 2016 - #17 *Arrest*

[Bohemian]

Or trying to explain why he didn't try to save her.

There’s always CPR. Or calling 000. She died ‘spontaneously’ as a result of his actions and subsequent inaction.

 

[Trooper]

Inside the Ristevski investigation - How he got away with murder. | Daily Mail Online


Very dispiriting reading.

 

[Trooper]

BBM. What does BR mean by Karen’s death was ‘spontaneous’? Is he still trying to minimise his involvement in her homicide?

It means that after he hit her on the head with a tyre lever in the garage, she spontaneously stopped inhaling oxygen.

 

[JLZ]

BBM. What does BR mean by Karen’s death was ‘spontaneous’? Is he still trying to minimise his involvement in her homicide?

"Appears to have told", so it's an inference. But I think spontaneous means unpremeditated. Still, murder doesn't have to be premeditated; it's enough that the killing is intentional. And an intention can be formed in a flash.

I'm just wondering how it's possible to kill someone at a stroke like that. Apparently strangling or smothering to death takes so long that's it's unlikely to have been done in the absence of an intention to kill. If it was a shove or punch with an unfortunate landing . . . we hear about how one punch can kill, but as far as I know it doesn't usually kill instantly; the person goes to intensive care and some days later it's decided to turn off life support.

 

[Bohemian]

It means that after he hit her on the head with a tyre lever in the garage, she spontaneously stopped inhaling oxygen.

"Appears to have told", so it's an inference. But I think spontaneous means unpremeditated. Still, murder doesn't have to be premeditated; it's enough that the killing is intentional. And an intention can be formed in a flash.

I'm just wondering how it's possible to kill someone at a stroke like that. Apparently strangling or smothering to death takes so long that's it's unlikely to have been done in the absence of an intention to kill. If it was a shove or punch with an unfortunate landing . . . we hear about how one punch can kill, but as far as I know it doesn't usually kill instantly; the person goes to intensive care and some days later it's decided to turn off life support.

I’d like to know if he had any martial arts/boxing experience back in the day. The pathologist’s report about Karen having a broken hyoid bone, consistent with a blunt force injury, makes me think he might have punched/karate-chopped her to the throat.

Certainly not a description of a spontaneous death in my opinion. It sounds like the person who shoots someone saying ‘I didn’t kill them. The gun went off in my hand.’

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Wife killer Borce Ristevski's web of lies aired by court


Wife killer Borce Ristevski's web of lies aired by court

 

[sosocurious]

There’s always CPR. Or calling 000. She died ‘spontaneously’ as a result of his actions and subsequent inaction.

Why would he do that? Who would be finking after having just spontaneously killed his wife?
No!! I do not want to be estranged from my daughter and go to prison, so employ the actions he did?
It is the apparent spontaneous and prolonged deception and manipulation of his daughter that continues to have me asking questions.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

In arguing to dismiss his post-conduct behaviour, RIstevski's legal team argued police had no clues as to a possible motive for murder.

The prosecution should have had a more qualified forensic accountant and not someone, who "didn't know", what the tangle of companies would mean.
There are 100.000 reasons re MONEY, we know of, and police had no clues for a possible motive?

 

[Bohemian]

Why would he do that? Who would be finking after having just spontaneously killed his wife?
No!! I do not want to be estranged from my daughter and go to prison, so employ the actions he did?
It is the apparent spontaneous and prolonged deception and manipulation of his daughter that continues to have me asking questions.

Pretty calculating.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Who would be finking after having just spontaneously killed his wife?

 

[sosocurious]

Borce, she says, is too distressed to comment right now. So it comes as a shock when Cameron Baud, a reporter for Seven News, fires off a question that ends the press conference.
“Borce, did you kill Karen?”

The 55-year-old shoots Baud a long, blank stare then walks from the crowd of reporters with Sarah close by. As the pair depart, Missing Person’s Squad Detective Stephen Dennis watches closely.
If Borce Ristevski wasn’t officially a suspect before that, he was after.................

Inspector Dennis will be watching closely from his new role in the professional standards command when Ristevski appears for a pre-sentencing hearing later this month.

He’s expected to tell the court what happened the day he killed his wife. Or what he thinks the court wants to hear.

The cop who saw through a wife-killer’s lies

 

[tmar]

Borce Ristevski warned daughter not to trust police

Tammy Mills
37 mins ago
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Police taps on Borce Ristevski's phone after he killed his wife Karen captured him arranging for new mobile phone numbers and warning a relative, "they're listening".

A Supreme Court ruling released on Monday reveals Ristevski constructed a web of deceit to mislead family and friends, including telling his daughter not to trust police and procuring new SIM cards because he knew police were tapping his phone calls.

Ristevski pleaded guilty last Wednesday to the manslaughter of his wife on June 29, 2016 after prosecutors withdrew a murder charge on the eve of the high-profile trial.
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The 55-year-old successfully argued in the pre-trial hearing that though he dumped Karen's body in bushland north of Melbourne, and lied to to family and police after, it showed no more than him wanting to avoid responsibility for her death, and did not prove he intended to murder her.

The prosecution team already had a difficult task ahead of it in the murder trial because Karen's cause of death could not be proven. Justice Christopher Beale's ruling that evidence of Ristevski's behaviour afterwards did not prove intent to murder then irreparably damaged the prosecution case.

Justice Beale's published reasons for the decision reveal:

• In phone calls intercepted by police, Ristevski told his nephew he was getting his daughter's boyfriend to buy him new SIM cards for his mobile phone because he knew was being tracked. He told one relative, "they're listening".
• Ristevski slammed police in a number of intercepted phone calls, including telling Sarah "They don't give a f---".
• He told one friend he went to Lalor the morning Karen went missing, but didn't tell police. In the phone call, which police were monitoring, he told the friend: "Make sure you don't repeat anything" and "Make sure you don't say anything ... don't let ... tell 'em anythin' that I spoke to you about, nothing at all."
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  Call charge records showed Ristevski did not call any friends or family to ask where Karen was.

• Ristevski changed his story about the morning of Karen's disappearance several times. He first told police they argued about the sale of their clothing store and Karen went upstairs to cool off. Then he claimed Karen immediately left the house through the front door. In another telling, he said she went out the garage.
• He claimed he spent the day doing bookwork. He also said he went Uber driving. He then admitted he drove his wife's car, but went to get petrol as the fuel gauge was faulty. In an intercepted phone call, he also told Sarah he went to get shisha, but didn't tell police because he wasn't sure if it was legal.
• • In conversations with reporters, he did not talk about Karen, but rather how his finances were being portrayed in the media. When A Current Affair rang him to tell him a body had been found at Mount Macedon, he replied: "Well, it's got nothing to do with me."
  It was exactly this conduct that chief crown prosecutor Brendan Kissane, QC, and barrister Matt Fisher said was of "such an extreme nature, extent and duration" that could be inferred Ristevski did intend to murder Karen.
• If Ristevski did unintentionally kill her, prosecutors argued, he would have raised the alarm and "not bundle her into the boot, drive to a remote area, conceal the body and lie about the circumstances of his wife's disappearance to family, friends and investigators".
  
  But Justice Beale said he found "much force" in the submission from Ristevski's legal team – David Hallowes, SC, and Sam Norton – that he feared killing his wife would attract a substantial prison term and cause "irreparable damage to his relationship with his daughter, with whom he was close".
  
  Financial stress was a key piece of evidence against Ristevski. But it did not prove motive to murder, prosecutors conceded, though it could have fuelled an argument between the couple on the morning she was killed.
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[Curious82]

Oh ffs honestly this is ridiculous who cares that he feared prison and was worried about his daughters relationship. he killed her mother. Did not call 000, then dumped her in the bush for wild animals, showed no remorse and lied to everyone
All the evidence should have been released to a jury.
I don’t have a good a feeling about this judge based on that last ruling. Makes me sick that Borce lawyer said he is “feeling much better now” ... making it clear he thinks he will be out in a few years. If the judge doesn’t give him a very very long time I hope the public backlash is significant —- I think we all agree here I am just venting

 

[Via Marple]

"Appears to have told", so it's an inference. But I think spontaneous means unpremeditated. Still, murder doesn't have to be premeditated; it's enough that the killing is intentional. And an intention can be formed in a flash.

I'm just wondering how it's possible to kill someone at a stroke like that. Apparently strangling or smothering to death takes so long that's it's unlikely to have been done in the absence of an intention to kill. If it was a shove or punch with an unfortunate landing . . . we hear about how one punch can kill, but as far as I know it doesn't usually kill instantly; the person goes to intensive care and some days later it's decided to turn off life support.

Last year I remember it was jokingly speculated here, that during a "family fight" (that also involved the dog...), Karen fell down the stairs and went directly out the garage. Something like that.

Ironically the scenario might just fit the bill - spontaneous death, and perhaps a broken neck bone.

I keep coming back to how even Oscar Pistorius got convicted for murder, even though he had called emergency soon after. The prosecutor was eventually successful in arguing that pumping multiple bullets into a closed toilet cubicle door, amounted to murderous intention.

Whereas this BR, with all his after-killing cover-up, means that police and prosecutors cannot establish cause of death, or have access to the crime scene forensics

How can this do all that and win this more advantageous outcome? It is not justice.

 

[JLZ]

Last year I remember it was jokingly speculated here, that during a "family fight" (that also involved the dog...), Karen fell down the stairs and went directly out the garage. Something like that.

Ironically the scenario might just fit the bill - spontaneous death, and perhaps a broken neck bone.

I keep coming back to how even Oscar Pistorius got convicted for murder, even though he had called emergency soon after. The prosecutor was eventually successful in arguing that pumping multiple bullets into a closed toilet cubicle door, amounted to murderous intention.

Whereas this BR, with all his after-killing cover-up, means that police and prosecutors cannot establish cause of death, or have access to the crime scene forensics

How can this do all that and win this more advantageous outcome? It is not justice.

The changing story about whether they were upstairs or downstairs also had me thinking about the pushed-downstairs scenario.

The judge can't see a motive because Borce is stupid and what motivates him doesn't necessarily make sense. Karen was the breadwinner but quite likely Borce thought otherwise, that they'd be much better off with just him making the decisions, and never mind all Karen's labour and skill. Like the accountant didn't know why Borce would have created a new company: not because the accountant wasn't qualified enough, but because he couldn't see from the point of view of stupid.

 

[Edgarb]

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Entity name: ENVIROVISION (VIC) PTY LTD
ABN status: Active from 24 Jun 2016
Entity type: Australian Private Company
Goods & Services Tax (GST): Not currently registered for GST
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VIC 3034

Borce Ristevski had 'no financial incentive' to kill wife, court told, as his lawyer pushes for charge downgrade
25 Jul 2018 ABC NEWS
Mr Curtin told the court that Mr Ristevski set up a separate company, Envirovision, in December, 2015. He said that Mr and Ms Ristevski's daughter, Sarah, was listed as a shareholder.

Mr Curtin told the court that for some reason, the revenue from Warrant Brands started to transfer to Envirovision in 2016.

"As of June 30 [2016], Warrant Brands no longer has any income because that's given to Envirovision. It's not able to meet any of its loans and any liabilities," he said.

"It basically took on the sales revenue from the shop at Water Gardens."

When he was asked why this would have happened, Mr Curtain said he had no idea.

"The debts of Warrant Brands, if it was an attempt to avoid that debt, I don't know."

"It doesn't have any impact, they still have those liabilities."

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Borce Ristevski had 'no financial incentive' to kill wife, court told, as his lawyer pushes for charge downgrade
25 Jul 2018 ABC NEWS
Mr Curtin told the court that Mr Ristevski set up a separate company, Envirovision, in December, 2015. He said that Mr and Ms Ristevski's daughter, Sarah, was listed as a shareholder.

Mr Curtin told the court that for some reason, the revenue from Warrant Brands started to transfer to Envirovision in 2016.

"As of June 30 [2016], Warrant Brands no longer has any income because that's given to Envirovision. It's not able to meet any of its loans and any liabilities," he said.

"It basically took on the sales revenue from the shop at Water Gardens."

bbm green

Starting a new company in 2015, Borce the director, SR the shareholder (as she wasn't 21 yo at that time?), Karen planned superfluous if not just useful as a saleswoman (without any special claims or rights or insight) for a few months, then drying out Bella Bleu with money flooding to the new company - exactly to that date (after SR's 21. birthday) an "totally unplanned accident" happens secretly and Karen disappears. That should be no strategy to put Karen down and finally kill her in a rage, when she resisted his nasty machinations? SR would have been his new toy, a new figurehead, he could have used her like he did with KR perhaps. IMO

 

[they'll get you]

Ristevski was aware his phone was being monitored by police at the time of the investigation in 2016, and asked his daughter's boyfriend to buy him a new SIM cards.

According to the court documents, he changed his mobile number twice.

Investigators had obtained phone calls between Ristevski and his friends and family, and in one conversation he said he knew 'they're listening'.
Borce Ristevski's chilling phone conversations when his wife's body was found unveil his web of lies | Daily Mail Online

 

[they'll get you]

Make sure you don't say anything … don't let … tell [them anything] that I spoke to you about, nothing at all,' he said, reported news.com.au.

The publication also reported Ristevski told a friend he went to Lalor, a suburb of Melbourne, the morning his wife went missing - a claim he failed to mention to police.
Borce Ristevski's chilling phone conversations when his wife's body was found unveil his web of lies | Daily Mail Online

 

[they'll get you]

It means that after he hit her on the head with a tyre lever in the garage, she spontaneously stopped inhaling oxygen.

It wasn’t the one punch that killed him it was the pavement.
That was the defence used once.