Found Deceased Australia - Karen Ristevski, 47, Melbourne, Vic, 29 June 2016 - #2

[moreinfo]

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...n/news-story/d544bf9c557888cb3d895dccb95f5c7a

"Crime is big news in Melbourne, in large part fuelled by the recent gangland war that led to dozens of deaths.

As such, detectives became public figures and for many years, Charlie Bezzina — a former homicide investigator — was ubiquitous. “There is a big chance it will be left as a cold case,” he says."
Interesting that they have brought up gangland, I read this a being maybe that maybe it could be related to something that happened via bikie gangs. Whats to say AR didn't send off one of his bikie acquaintances to deal with Karen. He may have told told them about his accusations of when he was a child and why he's turned to drugs(many of the bikies proudly speak out about violence against children).

 

[Pepper77]

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...n/news-story/d544bf9c557888cb3d895dccb95f5c7a

"Crime is big news in Melbourne, in large part fuelled by the recent gangland war that led to dozens of deaths.

As such, detectives became public figures and for many years, Charlie Bezzina — a former homicide investigator — was ubiquitous. “There is a big chance it will be left as a cold case,” he says."
Interesting that they have brought up gangland, I read this a being maybe that maybe it could be related to something that happened via bikie gangs. Whats to say AR didn't send off one of his bikie acquaintances to deal with Karen. He may have told told them about his accusations of when he was a child and why he's turned to drugs(many of the bikies proudly speak out about violence against children).

Yep; I'm of the view that if she hasn't deliberately gone missing of her own accord then someone is behind having her disposed of ... for me, that someone is more likely to be her brother-in-law. I still think her stepson is just an attention seeker relishing in his 15 minutes (as far as his ramblings are concerned; not necessarily in the allegations - but as KR is not here to defend herself then I'm ignoring them).

 

[Pepper77]

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...n/news-story/d544bf9c557888cb3d895dccb95f5c7a

"Mr Ristevski was strongly supportive of his wife, she says, and was always showing an interest in her clothing designs and helping out in the store. “He is an amazing person and he was always in here with her and helping her, even on quiet days,’’ she says."

So i'm assuming BR didnt have some "other" full time job.

Sounds like you're right.

I think BR sounds like a nice person (from the few details I've read about him) ... I usually get a feeling about people (especially if they're dodgy) but I don't get any such feeling from him - he seems genuine and I honestly do not think he has anything to do with her disappearance. I do imagine he is feeling immense guilt at their argument, which is - understandably - making him lash out a bit (slamming the gate to one reporter; looking angry at another reporter who asked if he'd killed KR). Personally, it irks me that everyone keeps comparing him to Gerard Baden-Clay.

I agree with Bezzina that this will evolve into a cold case - it will be very sad news indeed for all the players if it turns out that way.

 

[Pepper77]

Thanks Coldpizza, I'll have a go at this later today. Can I use initials such as AR and BR?

I know they've been mentioned in posts here, but to be on the safe side I'd urge you just to make one entry to cover off 'family member' - don't mention initials.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...n/news-story/d544bf9c557888cb3d895dccb95f5c7a

"Crime is big news in Melbourne, in large part fuelled by the recent gangland war that led to dozens of deaths.

As such, detectives became public figures and for many years, Charlie Bezzina — a former homicide investigator — was ubiquitous. “There is a big chance it will be left as a cold case,” he says."
Interesting that they have brought up gangland, I read this a being maybe that maybe it could be related to something that happened via bikie gangs. Whats to say AR didn't send off one of his bikie acquaintances to deal with Karen. He may have told told them about his accusations of when he was a child and why he's turned to drugs(many of the bikies proudly speak out about violence against children).

Bikies wouldn't kill a woman over some doubtful accusations made by a random client IMO .. Not worth it, too messy, and they'd have the same doubts about his stories we do.

 

[tiddles24]

It has been reported that Karen and Sarah were very close, which is understandable being an only child............

Why would Karen hurt Sarah by suddenly disappearing, knowing the enormous pain it would cause Sarah................

In the interview where Aunty takes control, it is as though she is protecting BR and Sarah. Their body language bothers me...........

When police have asked for someone to have the COURAGE to speak up, I am wondering if this could be hinting that Sarah may know something and she is too afraid to come forward...........

I have wondered also if BR ACCIDENTALLY KILLED Karen and disposed of her body with help from VR in another vehicle............

I wonder how much Karen's staff knew about their relationship and financial situation, even though I believe Karen to be a private person...........

There are so many questions that need answers. I would be interested in your thoughts on these matters...........

 

[Unit45]

Id say there only a handful of people out there that know what really happened.

As in the past there is silence. Unless someone leaks in the future for some unrelated reason, i dont see this coming to a conclusion any time soon.

 

[Pepper77]

tiddles, I think that if KR thought her daughter was turning against her (considering her daughter suggested the store have a sale, to which KR apparently went ballistic), then she wouldn't hesitate to cut her out of her life. Sounds extreme, I know, but if she perhaps had paranoid tendencies (I don't know if she did - I'm just adding this suggestion into the mix along with everything else), then this could explain a lot. I know what it feels like to be 'got at' ... it's easy just to walk off rather than stop and think of/look at things in a rational matter when you're that upset.

With all due respect to KR's staff, I suspect they only ever saw one side to KR - the consummate professional, saleswoman. In my experience people are extremely different at work than they are around family - even if people do see work colleagues' interactions with their partner in the workplace, they're only seeing one side of what that relationship is like.

 

[Pepper77]

Bikies wouldn't kill a woman over some doubtful accusations made by a random client IMO .. Not worth it, too messy, and they'd have the same doubts about his stories we do.

What about for drugs or part of their gang initiation - would they kill someone, no questions asked, to obtain either?

(Ugh! Not sure I really want to know).

 

[Pepper77]

I don't really understand why people are putting so much focus on KR leaving her daughter - she's 21, not a child. Yes, I know they (reportedly) had a close relationship but she's an adult. If her daughter was a child then I'd be in the "No way did she disappear of her own accord" camp (which I'm obviously not).

The comment made earlier by this thread by someone suggesting that she might appear sometime soon was interesting - there have been a couple of other similar comments on other forums. One commenter claimed to know that she was in hiding and seeking legal advice - I hope that's true, and the reason why the police have gone quiet - but until that's confirmed I'm going to take such opinions with a grain of salt.

 

[SouthAussie]

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I still do not see where this info is coming from ... that the daughter suggested the sale and Karen went ballistic. It does not seem that is how it was. The daughter was repeating that her dad suggested the sale and Karen went ballistic (as per sleep's post below). It is not even apparent if the daughter was even present for that convo. It seems to me that she is repeating what her father said about his argument with Karen that morning.

tiddles, I think that if KR thought her daughter was turning against her (considering her daughter suggested the store have a sale, to which KR apparently went ballistic), then she wouldn't hesitate to cut her out of her life. Sounds extreme, I know, but if she perhaps had paranoid tendencies (I don't know if she did - I'm just adding this suggestion into the mix along with everything else), then this could explain a lot. I know what it feels like to be 'got at' ... it's easy just to walk off rather than stop and think of/look at things in a rational matter when you're that upset.

With all due respect to KR's staff, I suspect they only ever saw one side to KR - the consummate professional, saleswoman. In my experience people are extremely different at work than they are around family - even if people do see work colleagues' interactions with their partner in the workplace, they're only seeing one side of what that relationship is like.

I can't see that in any of the video's - or did I miss it? - do you have a link?

The only thing I saw was - The daughter gave more insight into the argument before her disappearance, and this was what Sarah said.

No mention of the night before or that she was even present.

 

[Unit45]

I wonder If/ how the relationship changed between KR/BR and VR after their business failed as reported?

We dont really know friends, associates that may have any bearings on this over the years.

 

[Pepper77]

SouthAussie - clearly my mistake (was going off memory as opposed to having seen it reported somewhere that her daughter was the one who suggested the sale) - my apologies.

:facepalm:

Okay, so that being the case ... there presumably isn't any reason for Karen to want to leave her close-to daughter.

 

[SouthAussie]

SouthAussie - clearly my mistake (was going off memory as opposed to having seen it reported somewhere that her daughter was the one who suggested the sale) - my apologies.

:facepalm:

Okay, so that being the case ... there presumably isn't any reason for Karen to want to leave her close-to daughter.

Just didn't want that thought to continue when it was never established as being accurate.
Someone else mentioned it in a post but did not provide a link.

In the same interview, Sarah also said words to the effect of 'She would never leave without calling me. She would never not call me. I'm her only child'.

 

[sleepinoz]

Just didn't want that thought to continue when it was never established as being accurate.
Someone else mentioned it in a post but did not provide a link.

In the same interview, Sarah also said words to the effect of 'She would never leave without calling me. She would never not call me. I'm her only child'.

She's actually quoted as saying "I'm an only child" - IMO this is a totally different statement, and not true.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

What about for drugs or part of their gang initiation - would they kill someone, no questions asked, to obtain either?

(Ugh! Not sure I really want to know).

They'd kill someone who deserved it, like they ripped off someone in the club or were likely to cause a whole lot of legal trouble or similar IMO. Killing a woman wouldn't be looked upon as some kind of status kill, gang initiation for bikies involves being a slave for a year or so and letting all the fully patched bikies treat them like dirt and knowing how to obey club rules and keep their mouths shut etc.

 

[ozazure]

She's actually quoted as saying "I'm an only child" - IMO this is a totally different statement, and not true.

I agree with this - she speaks to a circumstance (inaccurate) as to why her mother would not leave. Not the nature of their individual and unique relationship, or how mothers are in general, but this one reason that isn't even true, as if this would be a step too far? I acknowledge I read it one way and she may have just been so upset she said things that occurred to her in her distressed state and this is just a fleeting thought.

That said I think there is a good chance the private relationship is not the same as what people saw, only because I know how frequently that occurs. If you have a complicated relationship with your mother you will know.

 

[Oz Jen]

Just looking at street view of the house again. According to BR, KR left through the garage.
Unless the garage door was open at the time, it seems an odd exit choice. She would have had to open the remote garage door. (Mine is as slow as a wet week.)
Far easier to just walk out through the front door if you were leaving in a huff.

 

[Unit45]

Thank you TGY, I thought that was an important comment. I think it's safe to assume that no matter the reason Karen is missing it's unlikely due to an unknown crazed psychopath hunting the streets of Avondale Heights.

Me too. Considering Sean Price, Adrian Bailey and what they did i think the Police have dropped a hint here.

But thats just how i see and read into things......:fence:

 

[Armchair snoop]

I wonder If/ how the relationship changed between KR/BR and VR after their business failed as reported?

We dont really know friends, associates that may have any bearings on this over the years.

Their relationship didn't change much at all. The previous Company (Blue laser Jean Company) was closed down by BR as VR had no interest in the Company at the the time of closure, he had resigned as a Director. In doing so BR was able to escape debts with creditors. BR then started Warrant pty ltd.