Found Deceased Australia - Karen Ristevski, 47, Melbourne, Vic, 29 June 2016 - #2

[Amee]

Im still wondering who was the last person to talk to Karen other than Borce, whether it was by phone or in person and when.

 

[Bohemian]

No it wasn't - I think you'll find the River itself hadn't been searched at all until last Friday. All other references of searching only say they are searching 'along the banks'.

Strange that I can't find anything about Karen on the VicPol newspage - I could only get this cache version.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...44+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au&client=firefox-b

Local police, Special Solo Unit (motorcycles) Missing Person Squad detectives and SES will be searching along the banks of the Maribyrnong River from Canning Reserve to Buckley Street in Avondale Heights.

Sleep, VICPOL removes media releases, etc, after a week:

'Victoria Police news items and press releases feature on our site for seven days.

They are then unpublished for legal reasons.'

https://www.vicpolicenews.com.au/news/10545-search-for-karen-ristevski.html

I posted on KR's first thread on 12/7 with a link to the 'Latest News' item on VICPOL regarding her disappearance (now, of course, deleted for legal reasons).:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ne-Vic-29-June-2016-1&p=12685794#post12685794

I am fairly certain that I had read about her disappearance during the previous week (7/7) on VICPOL News, which would make the date in the link you posted (14/7) about right.

Why it hasn't been updated, I don't know.

 

[tiddles24]

I have just watched 'A CURRENT AFFAIR' stories re Karen's disappearance again.........Apparently, the NIGHT BEFORE Karen went missing, Borce and Sarah were trying to help Karen with ideas on how to improve STORE FIGURES ($$$$'s).......Sarah suggested that Karen have a LARGE SALE......Karen went ballistic and walked away (Sarah's own words in the interview).

 

[Amee]

I have just watched 'A CURRENT AFFAIR' stories re Karen's disappearance again.........Apparently, the NIGHT BEFORE Karen went missing, Borce and Sarah were trying to help Karen with ideas on how to improve STORE FIGURES ($$$$'s).......Sarah suggested that Karen have a LARGE SALE......Karen went ballistic and walked away (Sarah's own words in the interview).

thanks tiddles!

 

[Mrs G Norris]

I have just watched 'A CURRENT AFFAIR' stories re Karen's disappearance again.........Apparently, the NIGHT BEFORE Karen went missing, Borce and Sarah were trying to help Karen with ideas on how to improve STORE FIGURES ($$$$'s).......Sarah suggested that Karen have a LARGE SALE......Karen went ballistic and walked away (Sarah's own words in the interview).

Really?? I'm going to have to dig that up, that's really interesting! So does that mean Sarah was there overnight? There is so much we don't know.

 

[Pepper77]

I have just watched 'A CURRENT AFFAIR' stories re Karen's disappearance again.........Apparently, the NIGHT BEFORE Karen went missing, Borce and Sarah were trying to help Karen with ideas on how to improve STORE FIGURES ($$$$'s).......Sarah suggested that Karen have a LARGE SALE......Karen went ballistic and walked away (Sarah's own words in the interview).

Excellent catch, tiddles!

I wonder when this photo - advertising a 50% off sale in the store - was taken?:
https://au.news.yahoo.com/vic/a/320...other-karen-ristevski-was-met-with-foul-play/

Her annoyance at the suggestion of a sale could have been because a lot of the high-end boutiques tend to only have stores once or twice a year ... not every season like regular stores do (I suppose the high-end ones think it cheapens their stock/brand in some way). I don't know if that was the case with Bella Bleu, but it might have been.

I was just looking at the store's Instagram account ... woweee - they sure do stock some gorgeous items!!! (If they offered mail order I'd be getting my credit card out!). Tops, especially ... I know it is essentially a formal wear store, but they also offer separates and less dressy items that people could wear to work, so it wasn't as if their market was teeny-tiny in that respect.

I'm just going to put this out there ... look at the photo of the house and bare land (in the article link I posted above) ... tyre tracks ... someone could easily leave the house out the rear gate, and either get into a car parked there - or be put into a car parked there - and driven away. Just a random thought. #17 would presumably be in full view of anything happening in that area (although I can't zoom in to see if they have windows facing that grassy section, surely they'd notice movement over that way?).

 

[Pepper77]

If this 2nd FB page titled "Where is Karen" was started by family which I'm 100% sure its not and have a pretty good idea who has, wouldn't they have included some of their own photos of Karen, rather than just re-use the medias photos. None of the posts have any heart felt messages either, just news reports. No insider information which might assist to help us all find Karen. Someone also asked when was the last time someone apart from her husband saw her. If they were Karen's family or friend, surely they would have a better idea than a websleuther.

Personally, I think it's been started by another hanger-on trying to claim their 15 minutes (both pages are).

 

[sleepinoz]

I have just watched 'A CURRENT AFFAIR' stories re Karen's disappearance again.........Apparently, the NIGHT BEFORE Karen went missing, Borce and Sarah were trying to help Karen with ideas on how to improve STORE FIGURES ($$$$'s).......Sarah suggested that Karen have a LARGE SALE......Karen went ballistic and walked away (Sarah's own words in the interview).

I can't see that in any of the video's - or did I miss it? - do you have a link?

The only thing I saw was - The daughter gave more insight into the argument before her disappearance, and this was what Sarah said.

No mention of the night before or that she was even present.

 

[they'll get you]

I don't think police are going to tip their hand until they have an arrest because they don't need any help, they know where their focus is and are building a case ...

Exactly Mrs G.

The cops use MSM and MSM use the cops.

Our wonderful cops are solving nearly every crime. Yes there are a few that become cold but in essence they get the mongrels, eventually.

I love over our boyz in blue.

 

[Unit45]

In the shot of the back of Karen's house, can anyone see were the CCTV is or was?

Borce said it hasn't worked for 5-6mths.

 

[sleepinoz]

In the shot of the back of Karen's house, can anyone see were the CCTV is or was?

Borce said it hasn't worked for 5-6mths.

Maybe these

 

[they'll get you]

An audio where Sarah speaks to a radio station is in this clip.
It also shows the cameras which appear to be at the front door.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p854CzXOLwY

The argument could have continued after Sarah went to sleep. I'm remembering the night Allison Baden-Clay was murdered her children (allegedly) slept through. Whereas this home is 2 storey home and Sarah could have slept through if Karen was strangled downstairs, taken through the garage and placed into a car.
Just a possibility.

 

[they'll get you]

I hope the cops did a strip search of Borce to see if there was any injuries on him.

I'm using Baden-Clay as I'm sure the police use similar cases as precedence.

 

[they'll get you]

A camera is shown in this clip at 1.17.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p854CzXOLwY

 

[ScottKam]

That article is dated 14th July, which prior to the boat and divers searching last week on the 29th & 30th

The river search was always an afterthought. The latest river search seems to have been prompted by information from a member of the public, and it did not yield anything. Karen is not in the river.

 

[they'll get you]

What you you think of the reaction of Sarah when she shakes her head 'no' at 0:52 when the reporter asks if he can ask the family a question and the aunt steps in and says 'no'!. IMO there is something not right here. I really think it's fear.

In the industries I've worked in I've seen this look of foreboding before on women's faces when their husbands are questioned.
Like 'dont go there' warning.

My hinky meter keeps pointing towards him.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p854CzXOLwY

 

[Adrianna]

Going back to a comment i made a few pages back, its really hard to say what I was thinking due to the fact that the family may be reading all of these posts and there is no way I wish to cause anymore pain to them.

But is there a family member we haven't considered could have done this? Borce could be covering for someone else.

 

[Adrianna]

The river search was always an afterthought. The latest river search seems to have been prompted by information from a member of the public, and it did not yield anything. Karen is not in the river.

I wouldn't say "Karen is not in the river" because with water movement etc there is no way they could search every inch, unless you know something we don't.

 

[Amee]

The river search was always an afterthought. The latest river search seems to have been prompted by information from a member of the public, and it did not yield anything. Karen is not in the river.

her bag and purse or other items maybe ,we dont know we also dont know that she isnt either . :moo:

 

[ScottKam]

I wouldn't say "Karen is not in the river" because with water movement etc there is no way they could search every inch, unless you know something we don't.

If the police thought Karen was in the water, then they would have given a proper search of the water. I take that as a stand-alone statement of fact and i think it is obvious what that means- that Karen is not in the river.

Now, the police obviously have to make decisions curtailed by money. They probably couldn't just get the full diving squad in to trawl the river on the off chance that her husband killed Karen and dumped her in the river. The point here is that if there is no evidence, then you cannot make claims. Perhaps they cannot rule this other than a missing person because there is no evidence other than it being a missing person- despite the fact that the Herald Sun and 90% of this forum believing it to be a domestic violence homicide. So, if there is no evidence that Karen has been murdered and placed into the river, then maybe cost is prohibitive and a full search cannot be done- despite the fact the thought is seductive that she was murdered by her husband and placed into the river which is RIGHT NEXT DOOR.

So, thinking about things that way, it is no longer obvious that Karen is certainly not in the river, for she very well might be (killed by Borce or not), but the police don't have enough evidence for a full-scale search of the river, which is very costly and requires certain evidence thresholds to be met before large sums of money on proper water searches are spent.

I don't know where this leaves everyone else. But i still think there is zero chance Karen turns up in the river. Sure, it could happen that someone murdered her (Borce or someone else) and then then drove 10km away and still placed her in the Maribyrnong river, but that is not the point. The point is, i think, that Karen was not murdered there and did not enter into the river there, AS FAR AS THE POLICE ARE CONCERNED. That is how i read events, and that is how Andrew Rule is reading things in saying the police did a little sweep for cosmetic reasons. So, Karen is not in the river, in the sense i have just outlined, with the obvious caveats that

1) she might be in the river and the police have no evidence to prove so and cannot therefore launch a full-scale water search, which they have NOT DONE TO DATE; and,
2) TECHNICALLY, she can be in the river 10km away if she was abducted and placed there- not near the Ristevskis house.

Technically, <modsnip> she could have been dumped in the river right behind her property, and the police having no evidence (which i keep on harping on about) just disallows them from launching a full-scale search, despite the fact the cops all feel she is in there. This point, however, sounds like hogwash and if the detectives felt- WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE BUT JUST A HUNCH- she was in the river, then i assume a full-scale water search would have been launched. That it has not been is evidence for the claim she is not in the river.

I hope you have as much fun reading as i had writing LOL. Now that i've used up 3 months worth of posting capacity, i'll see you in 3 months when hopefully there is a resolution.