Found Deceased Australia - Karen Ristevski, 47, Melbourne, Vic, 29 June 2016 - #2

[Pepper77]

Why would Karen commit suicide? Are you saying financial troubles got the better of her and she committed suicide?

Possibly, yes - financial and emotional burdens. Possibly felt that things had got so bad there was no way out.

 

[ScottKam]

Possibly, yes - financial and emotional burdens. Possibly felt that things had got so bad there was no way out.

Are you including in those reasons what Anthony Rickard mentioned in the papers? The 'family conflict'? Are we allowed to say what the 'family conflict' is? It has been mentioned on facebook.

 

[wewillgetyou]

I'm also one that has thought suicide nearly from the start. I disagree that the body would be found quickly also. She could be anywhere.

 

[ozazure]

Why would Karen commit suicide? Are you saying financial troubles got the better of her and she committed suicide?

People commit suicide for many reasons. We know she had been confronted by AR 10 days prior, whether the allegations are true or false - well I imagine they'd be just as distressing to someone falsely accused as someone guilty, if not more so. She has financial pressures. Who knows what else was going on in her relationships. Many suicide attempts are impulsive and if unsuccessful or the person is helped in time, the crisis subsides and they can think rationally about their situation again, even if it is dire. Mental health can be fragile, as many women can tell you small things can pile on if one is experiencing a low brought on by hormones during parts of their cycle, and post-partum and peri-menopause can be especially rough, never mind actual long term mental illness struggles that are often manageable if life is calm. Imagine dealing with stress for weeks over your business, responsible not only for your livelihood but that of your employees, then your step-son rings and stirs up trouble, and you are keeping it all together by a thread and then your husband starts in about the struggling business when you are already doing what you can.

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/many-suicides-are-based-on-an-impulsive-decision-2014-8

Anywhere from one-third to 80% of all suicide attempts are impulsive acts, according to The New England Journal of Medicine. 24% of those who made near-lethal suicide attempts decided to kill themselves less than five minutes before the attempt, and 70% made the decision within an hour of the attempt.

Suicidal urges are sometimes caused by immediate stressors, such as a break-up or job loss, that go away with the passage of time. 90% of people who survive suicide attempts, including the most lethal types like shooting one’s self in the head, don’t end up killing themselves later. That statistic reflects the “temporary nature and fleeting sway of many suicidal crises,” reports The New England Journal of Medicine.

 

[Pepper77]

Are you including in those reasons what Anthony Rickard mentioned in the papers? The 'family conflict'? Are we allowed to say what the 'family conflict' is? It has been mentioned on facebook.

Yes, possibly - that all came to a head (allegedly) when her stepson phoned her 10 days before, so there could have been a lot of fallout from that.

Please don't state what the conflict is - I don't think we can discuss anything that hasn't been said in the media; besides, it's her stepson's word and a few of his supporters - KR isn't here to defend herself against the allegations and her husband and daughter aren't saying anything about it, so it could all be malicious libel that her stepson is spreading.

 

[Pepper77]

I'm also one that has thought suicide nearly from the start. I disagree that the body would be found quickly also. She could be anywhere.

Yes ... such as in the case of Daniel O'Keeffe (God bless his soul and may he rest in peace).

 

[ScottKam]

I have stated that it is 'guaranteed' that Karen Ristevski would not voluntarily disappear, mere weeks after her daughter's 21st birthday. I would like to clarify a point because i think many people would hound me over it. I mean to say that i disagree that Karen voluntarily disappeared or committed suicide because of financial issues. That is the scope of my guarantee. I just disagree that happened- that is absurd. Though, as to the point regarding the 'family conflict', it is possible that Karen has voluntarily disappeared or committed suicide over it. My 'guarantee' does not cover that point.

People are just speaking liberally about Karen disappearing without being specific as to the reasons why. I do not consider her to have disapeared over money matters; but I have no opinion as to whether she disappeared regarding the 'family conflict'. I do not trust Anthony Rickard, but I do not have enough information about this matter to say whether it is correct or not or whether Karen could disappear or suicide over it. I have some biases, though i am not making any statement about Karen's state of mind regarding the 'family conflict' and whether that could drive her to extreme actions like hiding for months from family, to commit suicide over it, or whether she has engaged in a conspiracy with Borce to disappear regarding the family conflict. Who knows.

My guarantee- for those who are buying- extends only to money matters; though not to the 'family conflict'. I thought i would get in before i was caught out without being able to then reference a post where i clarified matters.

Alien abduction has a higher statistical probability than Karen committing suicide over money mere weeks after her daughter turns 21. But i have no claims as to where the 'family conflict' stands and the statistics on that.

I take it that you are all mature enough to realise this is all said with a partial tongue in cheek, though i am also serious and do not walk back anything i have said despite the fact there is an amount of levity to the offering of guarantees about matters you are not 'personally involved in', as Pepper77 pointed out. Thanks for spurring me into this post, Pepper77. LOL

 

[Mrs G Norris]

It's up to Unit to chip in and tell us what this info is. I'm just speculating.

I think we can eliminate that option though, just saying [emoji12]

 

[ScottKam]

I think we can eliminate that option though, just saying [emoji12]

Have faith, Mrs Norris.

Come on, Unit. People are counting on you to spill the beans, mate. What are you being so cryptic about? Give us a little taste, at least!

I gather that Anthony Rickard received some information and then became involved in Karen's disappearance? Is that right?

I know of two dates when this could have happened:

1) the 29th- when Karen went missing; and,
2) the 19th, when Anthony Rickard claims he called Karen to confront her about the 'family conflict'.

Not sure when this 'info bomb' dropped, but it seems to have been nuclear.

Am I on the right path, Unit45? *fingers crossed*

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Have faith, Mrs Norris.

Come on, Unit. People are counting on you to spill the beans, mate. What are you being so cryptic about? Give us a little taste, at least!

I gather that Anthony Rickard received some information and then became involved in Karen's disappearance? Is that right?

I know of two dates when this could have happened:

1) the 29th- when Karen went missing; and,
2) the 19th, when Anthony Rickard claims he called Karen to confront her about the 'family conflict'.

Not sure when this 'info bomb' dropped, but it seems to have been nuclear.

Am I on the right path, Unit45? *fingers crossed*

I think she's alleging that AR found out something about Karen's disappearance via his dodgy underground connections or similar, i.e. his drug mates heard something on the grapevine ... That's what I think Unit45 is saying.

 

[sleepinoz]

Although Unit45's statement is a bit cryptic - could it be that they are referring to SR saying she was an only child and shortly afterwards AR starts with the accusations?

I can't see a reason SR would say that unless it was a warning to AR to keep out of it.

 

[Pepper77]

I still think it's possible that she's gone off somewhere to reinvent herself ... I certainly hope so (it would mean she's come to no harm). It's fanciful, but possible.

Just think of Jon Pritchard (the John Doe known as Paul Lachlan a few months back) ... he managed to fly under the radar for many years and nobody had any idea who he was when he died; they had no idea where he got his money from (I've suggested in previous posts that maybe Karen was planning this for a while and had been saving up); and he never had to work. Jon's case was a bit different in that he lost touch with his family, rather being reported as a missing person. Still, he managed to leave the UK, travel to New Zealand and then settle in Australia, all while living under the radar. He even made new friends who embraced him.

There have been a few cases over the years of people who've gone missing after stressful situations, but thought to have just staged their disappearances - Peter Coop always comes to mind for me (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=3528746); https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/police-still-trail-missing-man. Plus there was one other guy - whose name escapes me - whose case was featured on an excellent series called 'The Missing' (the NZ non-fiction series, not the UK drama), a few years back ... he, too, walked out on his family and was sighted by a number of people who knew him, in Australia (although he was thought to have recognised them too, he bailed before they could talk to him).

I believe it's still easy to go missing even in this day and age - not everyone has social media; illegal passports can be bought for a price; appearances can be changed ...

 

[Pepper77]

Although Unit45's statement is a bit cryptic - could it be that they are referring to SR saying she was an only child and shortly afterwards AR starts with the accusations?

I can't see a reason SR would say that unless it was a warning to AR to keep out of it.

BBM

Yeah ... that was a weird thing to have said. Maybe he'd been cut off from Karen, Borce and Sarah's family or something?

 

[ScottKam]

BBM

Yeah ... that was a weird thing to have said. Maybe he'd been cut off from Karen, Borce and Sarah's family or something?

Yeah, that sounds right. There is the formal aspect- Sarah was not an only child and had a step-brother- though in practice that was an afterthought. Practically, it seems, Anthony Rickard was estranged from the family, which would explain why Sarah considered herself to be an only child. Even technically, i suppose, she is an only child, for Anthony is a step-son to Karen, which is different to a blood relation. These kinds of things depend, i think, mostly on how people get along, and it seems like the Ristevskis didn't get along with Anthony. That is what i gather. Not sure of the extent of the contact between them all.

 

[sleepinoz]

Yeah, that sounds right. There is the formal aspect- Sarah was not an only child and had a step-brother- though in practice that was an afterthought. Practically, it seems, Anthony Rickard was estranged from the family, which would explain why Sarah considered herself to be an only child. Even technically, i suppose, she is an only child, for Anthony is a step-son to Karen, which is different to a blood relation. These kinds of things depend, i think, mostly on how people get along, and it seems like the Ristevskis didn't get along with Anthony. That is what i gather. Not sure of the extent of the contact between them all.

Considering they have the same father - are they not 'half brother/sister" not step at all? Yes he is KR's stepson but to SR he is a half brother.

 

[they'll get you]

Or ... the garage door may have already been open, so it was easier for her to exit that way? (It'd be less hassle if it was already open, as she would've otherwise had to go out the front door, down the path, through the gate [I know this from looking up the house address on Google Street Maps]...).

My neighbours seem to use their garage for everything except to park their cars, and they seem to leave it open whenever they're home. Different strokes for different folks I suppose.

Maybe if this is the case Karen might have had all her keys with her?
All my keys are on one key ring, house keys, car keys garage door opener etc. it's easy to open the garage door from inside the house and by the time it opens, you're walking out and start to close it before you're out.

 

[they'll get you]

The reaction of both BR/SR in what i interpret and even if they weren't aware of this they are devoid of hope.

This is not what i would expect, although everyone sees things in their own way.

When some would expect hope it was a young girl terrified, a husband puzzled.

There is also some evasive movements and others are stepping in.

I just read a lot from this.

It was in a documentary I saw where a detective showed how they come to decision on who is the murderer.
It's the point where the murderers decide they want to move on with their lives. They already know all the answers, even to where the body is and they get sick of playing the game so in their own mind they really want to move on and forget it all happened. Say like GBC saying business as usual. They are ready to forget it all happened, hope everyone else will too but unfortunately the detectives are like flies in the ointment and become just annoying pests to them.
Thats the difference between say GBC, the Morcombs or the Dickies, people who genuinely want their loved ones found and will want to be involved whatever it takes.

The annoyance is welcomed because they know the detectives are still working on it.

I love our boys in blue.
All they have is training and precedence.

 

[ScottKam]

Considering they have the same father - are they not 'half brother/sister" not step at all? Yes he is KR's stepson but to SR he is a half brother.

Yes, you sound right, sleepinoz. I was thinking of it in terms of the comments that Karen and Sarah were close; and given that Karen was not a biological mother to Anthony Rickard, then it would leave Sarah as the only child of Karen. I think that is the context in which Sarah said she is an only child.

I am quite surprised people are making a lot of this. Given that Anthony was estranged from the family, and given that Sarah is Karen's only child, i don't think Sarah's comment was odd at all; in fact, it was correct, she is an only child with reference to Karen, and the radio interview in which Sarah made the comment was regarding her mother. Sarah could have said, mum, you left me and Anthony behind. LOL Somehow i think that is beyond the pale, given all the events that have happened.

 

[sleepinoz]

Yes, you sound right, sleepinoz. I was thinking of it in terms of the comments that Karen and Sarah were close; and given that Karen was not a biological mother to Anthony Rickard, then it would leave Sarah as the only child of Karen. I think that is the context in which Sarah said she is an only child.

I am quite surprised people are making a lot of this. Given that Anthony was estranged from the family, and given that Sarah is Karen's only child, i don't think Sarah's comment was odd at all; in fact, it was correct, she is an only child with reference to Karen, and the radio interview in which Sarah made the comment was regarding her mother. Sarah could have said, mum, you left me and Anthony behind. LOL Somehow i think that is beyond the pale, given all the events that have happened.

Have to disagree there - You don't know for sure that AR was estranged from the family, I agree that it's possible but we don't know for sure. It's an assumption, that you have stated as fact - it is not fact.

SR is KR's only child but to reference that during a radio interview is very strange considering that she has an actual 'blood' brother, even if he is only half. The comment was very odd.

It's only beyond pale In Your Opinion. My Opinion is that it was strange given she has a blood relative in AR, she didn't need to mention him at all, instead she went the totally opposite direction and claimed to be an only child.

IMO it was an instruction - she didn't want him to get involved and bring out the "family conflict"

 

[ScottKam]

Have to disagree there - You don't know for sure that AR was estranged from the family, I agree that it's possible but we don't know for sure. It's an assumption, that you have stated as fact - it is not fact.

SR is KR's only child but to reference that during a radio interview is very strange considering that she has an actual 'blood' brother, even if he is only half. The comment was very odd.

It's only beyond pale In Your Opinion. My Opinion is that it was strange given she has a blood relative in AR, she didn't need to mention him at all, instead she went the totally opposite direction and claimed to be an only child.

IMO it was an instruction - she didn't want him to get involved and bring out the "family conflict"

But the investigation has now taken a bizarre twist, as her estranged stepson claims the Ristevski family has for years hidden a secret conflict.


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