Found Deceased Australia - Karen Ristevski, 47, Melbourne, Vic, 29 June 2016 - #2

[sleepinoz]

But the investigation has now taken a bizarre twist, as her estranged stepson claims the Ristevski family has for years hidden a secret conflict.


http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...k=0aaa0f40ee6c869b03623d65a81aeb8d-1470477296

And that means nothing - it's a headline. I don't understand what that has to do with my post?

 

[Unit45]

It's up to Unit to chip in and tell us what this info is. I'm just speculating.

There's no information that i can see that he was adopted.

 

[Karinna]

What i find disturbing in this case is that AR has publicly come out and stated he would of liked to kill KR. Does he think by admitting that it makes him look less guilty perhaps?

 

[Unit45]

I think she's alleging that AR found out something about Karen's disappearance via his dodgy underground connections or similar, i.e. his drug mates heard something on the grapevine ... That's what I think Unit45 is saying.

Thanks MGN, thats what i meant.

 

[Karinna]

Have to disagree there - You don't know for sure that AR was estranged from the family, I agree that it's possible but we don't know for sure. It's an assumption, that you have stated as fact - it is not fact.

SR is KR's only child but to reference that during a radio interview is very strange considering that she has an actual 'blood' brother, even if he is only half. The comment was very odd.

It's only beyond pale In Your Opinion. My Opinion is that it was strange given she has a blood relative in AR, she didn't need to mention him at all, instead she went the totally opposite direction and claimed to be an only child.

IMO it was an instruction - she didn't want him to get involved and bring out the "family conflict"

Maybe the so called "half brother" wasn't a presence in SR's life and they had no sibling relationship thus leaving SR to feel like she was an only child? Just speculating.

 

[Unit45]

Have faith, Mrs Norris.

Come on, Unit. People are counting on you to spill the beans, mate. What are you being so cryptic about? Give us a little taste, at least!

I gather that Anthony Rickard received some information and then became involved in Karen's disappearance? Is that right?

I know of two dates when this could have happened:

1) the 29th- when Karen went missing; and,
2) the 19th, when Anthony Rickard claims he called Karen to confront her about the 'family conflict'.

Not sure when this 'info bomb' dropped, but it seems to have been nuclear.

Am I on the right path, Unit45? *fingers crossed*

Im assuming AR has come across some information, that's all im saying and quite plausible.

NO i not coming to the conclusion he became involved, simply by having knowledge.

 

[sleepinoz]

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/3225659...karen-ristevski-could-become-cold-case/#page1

[h=1]'May never be solved': Disappearance of Melbourne mum Karen Ristevski could become cold case[/h]
The mysterious disappearance of Melbourne mother Karen Ristevski could turn into a cold case, and may never be solved, investigators have said.


According to the Weekend Australian, former homicide investigator Charlie Bezzina said it is likely the Melbourne mum's disappearance could turn into a ‘cold case’.
"Once all avenues of inquiry have been exhausted, it becomes a waiting game," he said.


"Once you have spoken to all the family, all the friends, so forth and so on, the time comes when there is a line in the sand."

 

[Oona]

One quote from Borce in today's Australian article made me curious. When journalists from The Australian newspaper visited his home on Thursday Borce said,
“Let me tell you something — you can’t even get your facts right,’’ before slamming the gate.
It is understandable that he is frustrated by all of the media speculation, but I wonder which facts he is so defensive about. Wouldn't it be in his interest and/or the interest of finding Karen to set the record straight?

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...k=ee36dad3fb8e6198a961986ad75dd8d3-1470477218

 

[sleepinoz]

One quote from Borce in today's Australian article made me curious. When journalists from The Australian newspaper visited his home on Thursday Borce said,
“Let me tell you something — you can’t even get your facts right,’’ before slamming the gate.
It is understandable that he is frustrated by all of the media speculation, but I wonder which facts he is so defensive about. Wouldn't it be in his interest and/or the interest of finding Karen to set the record straight?

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...k=ee36dad3fb8e6198a961986ad75dd8d3-1470477218

I think it would be, but after reporters have asked you if you've killed your wife and getting 'facts' incorrect - I'd be inclined not to speak to them as well. Not defending him but I can understand him not wanting them to twist anything else he says.

 

[they'll get you]

Why would Karen commit suicide? Are you saying financial troubles got the better of her and she committed suicide?

Ah the joys of owning a business. It's your love. It's your baby. You adore your customers and they love you. You love going to work. You pay your staff and if you can't afford to pay yourself, you go short.
It's feast or famine.
We mortgaged our home to keep our business afloat, it paid us back.
It's the good with the bad.
Businesses sometimes run at a credit of stock at times of $200,000. Dammit you need the stock. Then there's all the other crap that comes with it.
If only the employees realised.
They think your rich.

 

[SouthAussie]

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/3225659...karen-ristevski-could-become-cold-case/#page1

[h=1]'May never be solved': Disappearance of Melbourne mum Karen Ristevski could become cold case[/h]
The mysterious disappearance of Melbourne mother Karen Ristevski could turn into a cold case, and may never be solved, investigators have said.


According to the Weekend Australian, former homicide investigator Charlie Bezzina said it is likely the Melbourne mum's disappearance could turn into a ‘cold case’.
"Once all avenues of inquiry have been exhausted, it becomes a waiting game," he said.


"Once you have spoken to all the family, all the friends, so forth and so on, the time comes when there is a line in the sand."

Good old Charlie. Always positive.
Of course the case could eventually turn into a cold case. It could also be solved tomorrow, or in 3 years (like Kylie Blackwood), or later, as others have been ... without being placed in the cold case files.

.

 

[ScottKam]

One quote from Borce in today's Australian article made me curious. When journalists from The Australian newspaper visited his home on Thursday Borce said,
“Let me tell you something — you can’t even get your facts right,’’ before slamming the gate.
It is understandable that he is frustrated by all of the media speculation, but I wonder which facts he is so defensive about. Wouldn't it be in his interest and/or the interest of finding Karen to set the record straight?

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...k=ee36dad3fb8e6198a961986ad75dd8d3-1470477218

I reckon it's this so-called 600k debt, which is misrepresented. The facts have came out about it, but it still rolls better off the tongue to say they owed 600k. haha! It's REALLY annoying, especially if you're Borce and it makes you look like you murdered your wife over a- non-existent- 600k debt.

 

[Unit45]

Good old Charlie. Always positive.
Of course the case could eventually turn into a cold case. It could also be solved tomorrow, or in 3 years (like Kylie Blackwood), or later, as others have been ... without being placed in the cold case files.

.

I wonder if old Charlie is hedging his bets here, maybe throwing it out to get a response.

Hes been around long enough to know, as Southaussie says could be solved anytime.

 

[they'll get you]

The time taken for a body to decompose depends on climatic conditions, like temperature and moisture, as well as the accessibility to insects. In summer, a human body in an exposed location can be reduced to bones alone in just nine days.

http://australianmuseum.net.au/decomposition-body-changes

 

[Puggle]

The time taken for a body to decompose depends on climatic conditions, like temperature and moisture, as well as the accessibility to insects. In summer, a human body in an exposed location can be reduced to bones alone in just nine days.

http://australianmuseum.net.au/decomposition-body-changes

Or if she's in the river.....like I posted my long (sorry) detailed post awhile back........ her body may not decompose and rise to the surface until spring. The water needs to be at least 3.3 degrees or higher for a body surface..

 

[eucalyptuz]

Interesting ... and yes, I agree ... if my significant other went missing I would be pleading with the public to please look out for them, even though I would be extremely upset - I just wouldn't give up hope. I know people react differently but saying ... well, nothing ... at the press conference was a bit odd?
Snipped by me

I find it very hard to read people in missing persons cases. I always try to imagine how I would react and I can't help making comparisons...which is totally not fair as we have no insight into home/work/relationship dynamics except for that which has filtered through police and other sources to the media.... A cold fish husband makes us so suspicious but I think guilt about last minute disagreements and a distraught/suicidal partner can often read as a more sinister type of guilt. There have been quite a few cases of missing older women (that have eventually be found to have committed suicide) here on websleuths in recent months...sleuthers are often super quick to point the finger at the partner as the usual suspect...which is a statistically-sound approach, however in this case there does seem to be many possible alternate theories...
For the record, my money is on the usual suspect but not because of his demeanor in front of the press, just because so many men lash out at a partner in a fit of rage, and so many women die at the hand of their partners.

 

[Stripehaven]

Have to disagree there - You don't know for sure that AR was estranged from the family, I agree that it's possible but we don't know for sure. It's an assumption, that you have stated as fact - it is not fact.

SR is KR's only child but to reference that during a radio interview is very strange considering that she has an actual 'blood' brother, even if he is only half. The comment was very odd.

It's only beyond pale In Your Opinion. My Opinion is that it was strange given she has a blood relative in AR, she didn't need to mention him at all, instead she went the totally opposite direction and claimed to be an only child.

IMO it was an instruction - she didn't want him to get involved and bring out the "family conflict"

I don't think the "only child" reference is necessarily strange. I have two older half-brothers but I always thought of myself as an only child until my younger sister was born - because my brothers did not grow up with me, and we didn't share a mom. They kind of weren't on my radar. Now that we're adults and have come to know each other quite well, it feels different. But sounds like SR and AR may never have been close.

Also, I would not rule out suicide here, despite the proximity of her daughter's birthday. Suicides too often make no sense to the survivors. In the case of Cheryl DeBoer, initially it seemed she must have been murdered. But it has been ruled a suicide and the family is still trying to figure out the reasons. To all appearances she was a happy woman in a good marriage, but she chose to take her life right before her wedding anniversary. In Karen's case, if she was suicidal, perhaps she felt that she was able to say Goodbye to her daughter by celebrating her birthday together.

 

[Armchair snoop]

ARMCHAIRsnoop.......Responding to your Post #705, I also don't think KR is hiding out......

It's interesting that you seem to be the only one on this thread agreeing that it could be suicide as the most likely reason for Karen's disappearance.......

I don't agree that a body is normally found soon after a suicide......just look at all that bushland by the river......it wouldn't be easy to find a body there and probably

nobody has looked there yet.........

Now referring to the DEBT AND SHOP FIGURES that caused the ARGUMENT with BR before she went missing - in February there was enough shop rent in arrears

FOR THE SHOPPING CENTRE TO PUT A CAVEAT ON THE HOME so that it couldn't be transferred or sold.......

With Karen being in the retail trade for all those years, my question is why did Karen allow the shop rent to become so much in arrears. Wouldn't you think that the best

way out would be to close the shop (rent being the major outlay without anything else)......

Keep the stock and offload the stock via other avenues to recoup some money, or was she too proud to do that, as sometimes we need to swallow our pride......

With the financial state of the shop figures..... being so much in arrears with the rent...... shopping centre taking a caveat over the home..... Karen supposedly stating

that as soon as Sarah turned 21 she was planning to leave BR..... AR telling media of the molesting him etc. etc....

In my opinion, Karen would have become very distressed with the combination of all these NEGATIVE ASPECTS currently in her life, what future did she have to look

forward to, really ???

For these reasons I feel that suicide could have been contemplated..... A person can only take so much before they snap.....Sorry for the long rant........MOO

Don't be sorry for the long rant tiddles24, it was a good read. For a Shopping Centre to take out a Caveat on a property for rental arrears would seem rather extreme as a Caveat, to my understanding, lapses after about one month unless;
The application is abandoned by notice in writing by the applicant, or
That proceedings are on foot in Court to substantiate the claim of the caveator.
So did the Centre abandon the application or allow it to lapse. There was an article in The Australian newspaper a few weeks back that looked into their finances, I'm searching for it. Did the Centre negotiate a deal or settlement with KR and BR??? Was the Caveat used as leverage??? So many questions, so few answers.

 

[inkpink]

I find it very hard to read people in missing persons cases. I always try to imagine how I would react and I can't help making comparisons...which is totally not fair as we have no insight into home/work/relationship dynamics except for that which has filtered through police and other sources to the media.... A cold fish husband makes us so suspicious but I think guilt about last minute disagreements and a distraught/suicidal partner can often read as a more sinister type of guilt. There have been quite a few cases of missing older women (that have eventually be found to have committed suicide) here on websleuths in recent months...sleuthers are often super quick to point the finger at the partner as the usual suspect...which is a statistically-sound approach, however in this case there does seem to be many possible alternate theories...
For the record, my money is on the usual suspect but not because of his demeanor in front of the press, just because so many men lash out at a partner in a fit of rage, and so many women die at the hand of their partners.

I think it's completly possible that it was Borce that was feeling all the pressure who eventually exploded. Those submissive types can be like pressure cookers.....

 

[Unit45]

One quote from Borce in today's Australian article made me curious. When journalists from The Australian newspaper visited his home on Thursday Borce said,
“Let me tell you something — you can’t even get your facts right,’’ before slamming the gate.
It is understandable that he is frustrated by all of the media speculation, but I wonder which facts he is so defensive about. Wouldn't it be in his interest and/or the interest of finding Karen to set the record straight?

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...k=ee36dad3fb8e6198a961986ad75dd8d3-1470477218

Im trying to see through this as i find this quite interesting.

What was it last week, Police are asking a person whom had been talking to the media/police? to resume dialogue.

I haven't been able to establish which person this is really referring to.

So i look at it this way, Borce says “Let me tell you something — you can’t even get your facts right,’’

It's unclear to me if this is directed at that particular reporter, or more at the wider media in general.

As some people has have commented its been quiet of the family side. Then that interaction.

I'd been asking what facts where right? Seems to be inhibited from following up on that statment.