Found Deceased Australia - Karen Ristevski, 47, Melbourne, Vic, 29 June 2016 - #7

[Adrianna]

All excellent points Trooper. It is all very convoluted as it is in these types of cases. Could BR be protecting someone else near & dear though? Probably not, but just a thought.

I have said before way back in the threads, what if it was an accident. Karen was pushed in the heat of a discussion, she is dead, panic sets in. B protects one who he loves more than himself. This keeps coming up in my head. Its not a popular line of thought and I hope its not true.

 

[Adrianna]

I feel he could be protecting SR.....

nods .... as awful as it sounds, that has been my thoughts for a long time.

 

[montauk30]

So if your wife fell down the stairs from an argument with your daughter...

Drag the body into the boot and bury her in the forest by midday, really?

(It's interesting to see what people project onto these cases from their own minds)

 

[Inspector Montalbano]

Is the story of three people in the white van true

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[Adrianna]

So if your wife fell down the stairs from an argument with your daughter...

Drag the body into the boot and bury her in the forest by midday, really?

(It's interesting to see what people project onto these cases from their own minds)

Yes because panic..... OMG no one will believe this was an accident ....panic sets in actions are taken quickly ....once the body has been disposed of they aren't going to go oh by the way this is what really happened, the scene has been set so to speak.

 

[Adrianna]

I wonder, if no charges have been laid, how people will behave at Karen's funeral.

I think there will be a big police presence there, lots of people that others would have no idea are police watching people.

 

[JLZ]

If this is not about Borce I will eat my hat https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp...ot-mount-macedon-talking-20170222-guizdq.html

But this was in December. What would BR have been doing there then--moving the body? Maintaining the grave?

Has BR's shovel been tested twice now? Once in the early days, and again recently? It would be interesting to know when the Gisborne-type soil was detected, and whether it was present on both occasions.

 

[Trooper]

If this is not about Borce I will eat my hat https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp...ot-mount-macedon-talking-20170222-guizdq.html

"A friend of mine said that he'd seen this man walking out of the bush carrying a shovel. It was close to midnight," the motel owner said.









"The guy walked straight into his lights and he put the window down and jokingly said 'where did you bury the body'?

"It was really uncomfortable the way he reacted.

"The guy looked at him and didn't say anything. He just looked at him with a stone face."

The encounter was apparently so startling, it prompted the driver to wind up the window and reverse away.

"One of the things that was really strange was that there was a house nearby. He expected him to walk back to the house, but he didn't. He just turned and walked away back into the bush.

"This guy [the motorist] is a fair strapping lad, he's a big guy, so it would take a bit to frighten him.

"He just thought it was super creepy."


well.. I 'll see your Borce and raise you an Anthony.. this is a pretty good description of someone in substance abused state, just going about the business of burying the body......

and isn't it neat, how this has let the cat out of the bag somewhat that whoever was faffing about with a shovel in the bush, right in that place that night has a direct eye witness out there, big, strapping young lad under the comforting and all seeing wings and eyes of the Victorian Police!!..

 

[Trooper]

something very cold hearted and rage filled about the discarding of Karen's body.... left out in the bush ( the great Australian nightmare, lost and all alone ) , not covered up particularly well, a real contempt there, and also, a real contempt for the community close by... a subtle 'up yours' in that part, I think.. He knows something they don't know, and that serves them right, ( which is why I suspect some link between the murderer, the burial and that location ) a bit of payback.

And then , having tidied up, back to business.

 

[Trooper]

But this was in December. What would BR have been doing there then--moving the body? Maintaining the grave?

Has BR's shovel been tested twice now? Once in the early days, and again recently? It would be interesting to know when the Gisborne-type soil was detected, and whether it was present on both occasions.

having a look. change of seasons, checking to see how things went thru the winter, .... a perverse curiosity.... it isn't unknown for a murderer to revisit the body.... . the reasons don't have to make sense, but they are probably overwhelmingly irresistible.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

I'm not 100% buying this 'person emerging from the bush at night with a shovel' story yet .. people always seem to come out with the best sightings after the body has been found don't they? It's a bit like the 'suitcase man' story in the K & K case.

 

[JLZ]

something very cold hearted and rage filled about the discarding of Karen's body.... left out in the bush ( the great Australian nightmare, lost and all alone ) , not covered up particularly well, a real contempt there, and also, a real contempt for the community close by... a subtle 'up yours' in that part, I think.. He knows something they don't know, and that serves them right, ( which is why I suspect some link between the murderer, the burial and that location ) a bit of payback.

And then , having tidied up, back to business.

I think I disagree. I'd like to be buried like that, in a sort of wooden boat, on high ground, almost with a view to the sea, among trees. Better than being pumped with chemicals and nailed into a lead-lined box, earth piled on top of me, in a cemetery among all the dead people!

 

[JLZ]

I'm not 100% buying this 'person emerging from the bush at night with a shovel' story yet .. people always seem to come out with the best sightings after the body has been found don't they? It's a bit like the 'suitcase man' story in the K & K case.

Likely it was a camper burying his excrement.

 

[emirates1957]

Rates of decomposition are extremely variable, so skeletonisation may not have occurred & would likely be incomplete if it occurred. The feet decay a lot slower than the torso, if free of injuries.

I would've expected the skin to have blackened, but maybe it didn't.

Thanks for that Amalgam......for some strange reason I find it quite fascinating.

 

[Puggle]

Not seasol containers are they?

Not sure shel ....

Still looking to identify the larger ones with the labels ......

 

[insanity]

I have said before way back in the threads, what if it was an accident. Karen was pushed in the heat of a discussion, she is dead, panic sets in. B protects one who he loves more than himself. This keeps coming up in my head. Its not a popular line of thought and I hope its not true.

Yup, I've wondered that too.

 

[SouthAussie]

But this was in December. What would BR have been doing there then--moving the body? Maintaining the grave?

Has BR's shovel been tested twice now? Once in the early days, and again recently? It would be interesting to know when the Gisborne-type soil was detected, and whether it was present on both occasions.

I'm a bit confused about the shovel, too.

MSM is acting as though the police have taken another shovel from the house and tested it, with the findings that they are speaking of now.

But I think it could very well be the shovel they took months ago, immediately after Karen disappeared. The tests were done back then, and two types of soil were found on the shovel.
Now that they have found Karen's remains at Mt Macedon, they are able to compare the 2nd type of soil found and have confirmed that it is from Mt Macedon area. Prior to now, they may not have been able to identify exactly where the 2nd type of soil came from.

 

[matey]

But this was in December. What would BR have been doing there then--moving the body? Maintaining the grave?

Has BR's shovel been tested twice now? Once in the early days, and again recently? It would be interesting to know when the Gisborne-type soil was detected, and whether it was present on both occasions.

Karen passed on 29/6/2016....so where was her body from then to December (when man with shovel was spotted)?....Was Macedon her second burial site or just being maintained in December?

I feel that Borce and Karen had an argument re financial matters, being the day before the last day of the financial year... moreso than "possible" relationship with AR, which I find hard to believe, or AR telling Borce about Karen planning to leave him when Sarah turned 21 in April 2016.

I feel that tempers boiled over, as they have had many years of failed businesses and major financial problems between all of them (Vasco included)... and Karen was killed inside their home, maybe pushed down the stairs and suffered fatal internal head injuries.

From memory Sarah went off to Uni that morning which means she wasn't at home, leaving Borce alone with Karen at that specific time on the morning of 29/6/16 (when all hell broke loose).

It would be interesting to know if Borce rang Vasco and Vasco helped with disposal of the body in the white van.
I am not feeling that AR was involved in Karen's death, because if he was, he wouldn't have been able to keep his big "blabbermouth" shut, as we have seen on his FB.

I am just hoping that Sarah is not the 3rd person involved, maybe she knows what happened but was not involved in her mother's death, as they were very close.

I feel that Borce acted alone in Karen's death....maybe Sarah knows what happened....maybe Vasco is an accessory after the fact with the use of his white van.

I am wondering if arrests are being stalled until after Karen's funeral service...All MOO.

 

[SouthAussie]

its on old merc... would not have that technology yet

It is a 2004 Merc. It may not have the most recent technology, but it is only 13 years old, not 40 years old.

Another mechanic said the 2004 Mercedes has two sensors in the fuel tank and both would have to be faulty to give an empty or half-full reading.
"If it was the gauge itself then all gauges would be faulty as they run off the same circuit board," he said.
"It's not an FJ Holden that you can fix by going over bumps. If it was broken then it is broken. Maybe a car 40 years ago but not now."

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/i...stevski-fuel-gauge-claim-20170222-guizzg.html

 

[purpleandgreen]

I really hope Sarah wasn't involved. Maybe she wasn't but has suspicions re her father, and is hoping against hope that they're unfounded, which would explain her distraught body language.

Do we know when the funeral is? (Sorry if this is a silly question).

Karen passed on 29/6/2016....so where was her body from then to December (when man with shovel was spotted)?....Was Macedon her second burial site or just being maintained in December?

I feel that Borce and Karen had an argument re financial matters, being the day before the last day of the financial year... moreso than "possible" relationship with AR, which I find hard to believe, or AR telling Borce about Karen planning to leave him when Sarah turned 21 in April 2016.

I feel that tempers boiled over, as they have had many years of failed businesses and major financial problems between all of them (Vasco included)... and Karen was killed inside their home, maybe pushed down the stairs and suffered fatal internal head injuries.

From memory Sarah went off to Uni that morning which means she wasn't at home, leaving Borce alone with Karen at that specific time on the morning of 29/6/16 (when all hell broke loose).

It would be interesting to know if Borce rang Vasco and Vasco helped with disposal of the body in the white van.
I am not feeling that AR was involved in Karen's death, because if he was, he wouldn't have been able to keep his big "blabbermouth" shut, as we have seen on his FB.

I am just hoping that Sarah is not the 3rd person involved, maybe she knows what happened but was not involved in her mother's death, as they were very close.

I feel that Borce acted alone in Karen's death....maybe Sarah knows what happened....maybe Vasco is an accessory after the fact with the use of his white van.

I am wondering if arrests are being stalled until after Karen's funeral service...All MOO.