Australia Australia - Kylie Blackwood, 42, Pakenham, Vic, 1 Aug 2013

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Police appeal to criminal fraternity to help catch person responsible for murder of mother of three

Fri 9 Aug 2013,

Excerpt: "We haven't been able to identify that person, the description is relatively vague," Det. Potter said.

"(We're) attempting to firm it up by examining CCTV in neighbouring suburbs and neighbouring streets."

Detective Potter was confident the killer will be caught.

"We will solve it, I'm extremely confident of that."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-...lars-as-they-investigate-murder-of-mo/4874532

wise choice to enlist the help of the criminal element in helping to solve the mystery of Kylie's killer...

"It takes a thief... To catch a thief." KWIM?

JMO

 

[enzeder]

Confusion arose from sights TWO men wearing hoodies ...

One man was on a bus at the time of the killing...

the other man is "still at large"...

quite confusing!

JMO

Right Clue - I was confused when I read about the man who said he was on a bus at the time of the killing and it was only by checking the dates of the articles, to try and figure out exactly when the the photokit was published, that I was able to piece things together. Still confused a little though I must admit.

 

[enzeder]

Here's one of the earlier videos: Homicide Squad investigating Pakenham murder

http://video.au.msn.com/watch/video...est_en-au&src=v5%3apause%3atitleBar%5elink%3a

 

[Ausgirl]

The guy had to have left behind some fingerprints or something? Jeez, I hope he did.

I also hope they're eyeballing all the rapists out on parole in a 100km radius.

 

[MsAnais]

Hey guys :seeya:

I had a thought in the early hours of the morning (not that I'm obsessed with this case or anything......ahem....:iamashamed - the positioning of her body seems meaningful to me.

If I remember correctly, she was found sitting up on her lounge. Surely after having lots of stab wounds to the hands, chest and face she would have collapsed on the floor, even if she was initially attacked on the lounge?

It seems that the killer would have to have positioned her body in that way - neatly sitting up - and I'm sure that gives some indication as to their relationship. But I don't know enough about body positioning to know what it means!! Do any of you?

I suspect it indicates a relationship of some sort between the killer and the victim as they have situated her in an 'alive human' position, rather than leaving her sprawled on the floor like a 'dead body'. What do other people think? :twocents:

 

[Ausgirl]

Hey guys :seeya:

I had a thought in the early hours of the morning (not that I'm obsessed with this case or anything......ahem....:iamashamed - the positioning of her body seems meaningful to me.

If I remember correctly, she was found sitting up on her lounge. Surely after having lots of stab wounds to the hands, chest and face she would have collapsed on the floor, even if she was initially attacked on the lounge?

It seems that the killer would have to have positioned her body in that way - neatly sitting up - and I'm sure that gives some indication as to their relationship. But I don't know enough about body positioning to know what it means!! Do any of you?

I suspect it indicates a relationship of some sort between the killer and the victim as they have situated her in an 'alive human' position, rather than leaving her sprawled on the floor like a 'dead body'. What do other people think? :twocents:

I don't have enough info to really know if she was posed ... Really, she could have been pushed down onto the sofa or an armchair. Strange though, in this case, I agree.

Anyway, if she was posed in that position, it could be a for a number of reasons - the one you mentioned, being that the killer felt some sort of shame (I find the word 'remorse' not as applicable, personally, in most murder cases..) or even that the killer wanted to deliver the max amount of impact on the people discovering her body.

The facial attack, if combined with Kylie's body being posed, would narrow the odds that wasn't personal, significantly IMO. Though that too depends on on the killer's frame of mind, delusional stalkers might -think- they know the victim (and/or the victim knows them back..) via observing them, for instance, or the victim could be a surrogate for somebody they do know intimately. It would really depend on how exactly she was found, though..

This case is just terrifying. If this guy is delusional/chronically high and didn't know Kylie -- well, Melbourne WS'ers, it could be any one of us next.

Though I'd not be one bit surprised to discover this crime was personal. I would so love some more info on the crime scene... at least we might then get a better idea of whether there's a delusional random killer out there or not.

ETA: that she was still marginally alive when discovered says quite a lot too.. perhaps the killer was young/inexperienced/high and heard somebody coming, so didn't finish her off before he fled.

OR he's a sadlst and wanted to her to suffer. :sigh: It's so hard to say anything, with so little info.

 

[MsAnais]

I don't have enough info to really know if she was posed ... Really, she could have been pushed down onto the sofa or an armchair. Strange though, in this case, I agree.

Anyway, if she was posed in that position, it could be a for a number of reasons - the one you mentioned, being that the killer felt some sort of shame (I find the word 'remorse' not as applicable, personally, in most murder cases..) or even that the killer wanted to deliver the max amount of impact on the people discovering her body.

The facial attack, if combined with Kylie's body being posed, would narrow the odds that wasn't personal, significantly IMO. Though that too depends on on the killer's frame of mind, delusional stalkers might -think- they know the victim (and/or the victim knows them back..) via observing them, for instance, or the victim could be a surrogate for somebody they do know intimately. It would really depend on how exactly she was found, though..

This case is just terrifying. If this guy is delusional/chronically high and didn't know Kylie -- well, Melbourne WS'ers, it could be any one of us next.

Though I'd not be one bit surprised to discover this crime was personal. I would so love some more info on the crime scene... at least we might then get a better idea of whether there's a delusional random killer out there or not.

ETA: that she was still marginally alive when discovered says quite a lot too.. perhaps the killer was young/inexperienced/high and heard somebody coming, so didn't finish her off before he fled.

OR he's a sadlst and wanted to her to suffer. :sigh: It's so hard to say anything, with so little info.

You're right - if this was a random attack it is just terrifying! But it may well be personal......there's so much we don't know in this case - that much I do know! I'm going to keep sleuthing.......

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Hey guys :seeya:

I had a thought in the early hours of the morning (not that I'm obsessed with this case or anything......ahem....:iamashamed - the positioning of her body seems meaningful to me.

If I remember correctly, she was found sitting up on her lounge. Surely after having lots of stab wounds to the hands, chest and face she would have collapsed on the floor, even if she was initially attacked on the lounge?

It seems that the killer would have to have positioned her body in that way - neatly sitting up - and I'm sure that gives some indication as to their relationship. But I don't know enough about body positioning to know what it means!! Do any of you?

I suspect it indicates a relationship of some sort between the killer and the victim as they have situated her in an 'alive human' position, rather than leaving her sprawled on the floor like a 'dead body'. What do other people think? :twocents:

Good question/point...

the positioning of the body could play a part in finding out the relationship to the perp.. As well as other clues...

additionally... Do we know that the couch in the lounge was the place where the murder took place?

I wonder if she was actually attacked somewhere else in the house... And that she was moved to the couch in the lounge?

Just some thoughts...

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

You're right - if this was a random attack it is just terrifying! But it may well be personal......there's so much we don't know in this case - that much I do know! I'm going to keep sleuthing.......

Yes... This case has me very intrigued, too...

I hope there is some kind of break with MSM soon...to give more info...

It has been quite a bit og time since the actual murder...:sigh:

I hope family members, if allowed, start putting this out in the public... "Front and center"...

JMO

 

[MsAnais]

I just don't think this was a burglary gone wrong - way too vicious....

Even the police are dropping clues that they don't think it is:

Det Insp Potter said it was still unknown if any possessions were taken from the Pakenham home.

But he vowed the killer would be caught.

"We know there were a lot of items in the house that would have been attractive to a burglar that weren't taken," he said.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/la...ving-and-devoted/story-fni0fee2-1226693446845

"RETIRED homicide investigator Charlie Bezzina has examined more than 300 unexplained deaths during 37 years on the force. "My initial instinct tells me that this is may not be the work of a burglary gone wrong.

While subsequent investigation will establish the facts, very rarely would a burglar stand and fight, unless he or she was known to the victim, and they felt they needed to kill to protect their identity."

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/la...-kylie-blackwood/story-fni0ffqy-1226690267868

 

[MsAnais]

Maybe it was a woman?

I was thinking it could be a woman due to the body being left 'neatly' - but now I don't know about the likelihood of a woman being the murderer....I found this interesting article about who and why women kill. Women kill far less than men (as we know) and when they do it seems to be an extreme reaction which women feel driven to, typically after years of abuse.

I thought it could be a jealous mistress or something, but after reading a bit on the net, I'm not so sure. Seems the mistress would be more likely to kill the man after years of emotional abuse.

JMO :twocents:

http://www.aic.gov.au/media_library/publications/proceedings/16/polk.pdf

 

[Humdinger]

This is such a sad case I wonder how her hubby and kids are going.

I'm so puzzled by it and also shocked that no one has been arrested yet.

 

[MsAnais]

Her FB hasn't been put up as yet, so here it is if anyone wants it:

https://www.facebook.com/kylie.whittablackwood

Hi :seeya:

Her facebook page has been taken off - was there anything interesting on it???

 

[sleepinoz]

Hi :seeya:

Her facebook page has been taken off - was there anything interesting on it???

It's still there for me - It's fairly private, only a few pics, friends list etc

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Aside from Kylie's body being found... This case reminds me somewhat of Jen Ramsaran's case...

Kids go off to school... Jen goes missing (found dead eventually) during the time they were at school...

Jen was very close to her parents... As it seems Kylie was close (emotionally) to her parents...

Marriage was of quite a few years...

JMO

 

[MsAnais]

It's still there for me - It's fairly private, only a few pics, friends list etc

Thanks Sleepinoz!! - I found it!!:blushing: Don't know what happened before!! It is fairly private - you can tell she really loved her kids, can't you? She seems like a lovely woman. In one of the last photos she looked different, I thought - sad around the eyes.....but I could just be reading way too much into it as I'm desperate for more insight into this case!!!:banghead:

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Kylie's husband is in the Real Estate business...

Would there be any reason for someone to get so angry over a business deal that s/he would take vengeance on him by killing his wife?

Kylie was planning on "breaking out" and starting her own business... Would there be any person(s) that would find this a threat ... Real or imagined... So as to take her life?

these thoughts don't even sound too plausible to me... But with such little information we have... I am just trying to get some ideas flowing...

JMO...

 

[SouthAussie]

Hey guys :seeya:

I had a thought in the early hours of the morning (not that I'm obsessed with this case or anything......ahem....:iamashamed - the positioning of her body seems meaningful to me.

If I remember correctly, she was found sitting up on her lounge. Surely after having lots of stab wounds to the hands, chest and face she would have collapsed on the floor, even if she was initially attacked on the lounge?

It seems that the killer would have to have positioned her body in that way - neatly sitting up - and I'm sure that gives some indication as to their relationship. But I don't know enough about body positioning to know what it means!! Do any of you?

I suspect it indicates a relationship of some sort between the killer and the victim as they have situated her in an 'alive human' position, rather than leaving her sprawled on the floor like a 'dead body'. What do other people think? :twocents:

This article has Kylie 'sprawled' on the couch ... maybe just not sitting up neatly, but sort of fallen back to sit in a sprawled way? Could have been trying to fend off her killer?

"They fled to a neighbour, who rushed to Kylie Blackwood's aid and found her sprawled on a couch in a pool of blood."

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/la...-in-her-own-home/story-fni0fee2-1226689747612

 

[MsAnais]

This article has Kylie 'sprawled' on the couch ... maybe just not sitting up neatly, but sort of fallen back to sit in a sprawled way? Could have been trying to fend off her killer?

"They fled to a neighbour, who rushed to Kylie Blackwood's aid and found her sprawled on a couch in a pool of blood."

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/la...-in-her-own-home/story-fni0fee2-1226689747612

Surprisingly there are inconsistencies in the MSM reporting on how she was found (Morgan Huxley anyone??!!). This description is the one from the woman who found her:

She was found sitting upright on the couch in the lounge room by the girls when they came home from school. Confronting by something no child should ever be exposed to, they ran to neighbour Hanadi Fahd, 41, screaming "mummy is bleeding."

"The girls are very good friends with my children,'' Ms Fahd later recalled. ``They had just come home from school.

"I ran over there and when I went inside I saw her just sitting there on the lounge like she was watching TV. I stayed with her and kept rubbing her leg and telling her she'd be all right and that the ambulance was on its way. But there was so much blood. She was already gone.''

It's thought she suffered multiple injuries, including to her hands and face, believed to be from a knife.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/la...other8217s-death/story-fni0ffnk-1226738956486

 

[SouthAussie]

MSM inconsistencies .... no!

:australia: