GUILTY Australia - Kylie Maybury, 6, abducted & murdered, Preston, Vic, 6 Nov 1984

[paul1980]

Just coming back to Kylie's thread.... I feel sad for Kylie's friends. People's memories from the age of five and six are usually few and fragmented and blurred. They must treasure what little they do remember of her so preciously.

 

[paul1980]

I checked the State Library of Victoria records... the police at the time offered a fifty thousand dollar reward to anyone who could lead them to Kylie's rapist-killer. It's a depressing illustration of human nature that not even an offer of a fifty thousand dollar reward could entice someone to dob in Kylie's rapist-killer.

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[Ausgirl]

Bless, Paul, you're doing a terrific job with this case.

Just on the topic of the guy who found her.. was doing research on another case, which called for a look-see at people pretending to find victims they actually killed, and ... it's a LOT more common than what I thought.

I'd suppose this man's DNA would have been checked and cleared by now.. or I'd hope so!

 

[paul1980]

Fifty thousand dollars would have been worth a lot more in 1985 money than fifty thousand dollars in today's money, which makes it all the more staggering and depressing that nobody came forward.

 

[paul1980]

Ausgirl:

I saw someone on Yahoo Answers name Mr Cruel as a possible suspect in Kylie's case

However, compare Kylie's rapist-killer to what we know of Mr. Cruel.

*Mr. Cruel knew a lot about police procedure and forensic science: he washed his victims, wiped finger and footprints carefully and destroyed his victims original clothes so they could not be tested for DNA or prints.

*Kylie's rapist-killer was not carefull. He left fingerprints, his sperm and his public hair all over Kylie. One report in the State Library of Victoria collection also indicates there was physical evidence of Kylie being forced to give oral sex.

 

[Ausgirl]

Ausgirl:

I saw someone on Yahoo Answers name Mr Cruel as a possible suspect in Kylie's case

However, compare Kylie's rapist-killer to what we know of Mr. Cruel.

*Mr. Cruel knew a lot about police procedure and forensic science: he washed his victims, wiped finger and footprints carefully and destroyed his victims original clothes so they could not be tested for DNA or prints.

*Kylie's rapist-killer was not carefull. He left fingerprints, his sperm and his public hair all over Kylie. One report in the State Library of Victoria collection also indicates there was physical evidence of Kylie being forced to give oral sex.

Ohh - good find, Paul!!! It certainly adds to the picture of what happened to poor little Kylie.

I read the Mr. Cruel connection thing before, as far as I know he was not thought to be linked to this crime. Probably for the reasons you gave.

You'd think with all that DNA, there'd be enough left in evidence to at least give a decent dna profile. Especially as those canny cops on the scene were so careful to store it, "just in case". I have to wonder if Kylie's evidence was among the dozens of cases potentially ruined, when some tosser of a lieutenant ordered a pile of cold case evidence destroyed a whiles back.

I hope they get this monster. If the dna is intact, I hope it's a matter of time.

Good work, Paul.

 

[Ausgirl]

Ausgirl. I would presume he was the first person checked also, but stranger things have happened. I just cannot wrap my head around the fact that he had come across what he believed to be a childs body and didnt get out of the car to even see if they were alive.

Just coming back to this... I tried hard to give this man the benefit of a doubt - if he wasn't responsible, he must've been wrecked by happening on a dead child.

I am not fond of admitting I'm wrong, but always will, if I think I actually am. I was thinking, 'He was a volunteer fire fighter, so he'd have to have some knowledge of crime scene protocol..." and hence, maybe did what he thought he was best by not touching anything, going to get help.

However, coming back to it several times I am now thinking.. there was NO blood on her, no outward injury to suggest she was dead, and she couldn't have been there very long. So why, indeed, as a volunteer fire fighter, who would have to be trained in CPR, didn't he leap out to see if he could revive her. Why'd he go get his dad, rather than driving straight to the nearest police station? Does he actually mention when he called the police, and from where?

So yup, I am now 100% agreeing with you, and seeing his behaviour as quite peculiar. Let's hope any ongoing investigation leads to that guy being tested for dna.

 

[paul1980]

Yeah there's something fishy about that firefighter and the fish stinks to high heaven.

In the pre-DNA days, all Kylie's rapist-killer had to do was keep quiet. That's how Lesley Molseed's killer escaped for decades.

Mugshots Vol. 2 by Keith Moor has the famous photo of Kylie on its' front cover and discusses her case quite a bit.

 

[Brightbird]

Ohh - good find, Paul!!! It certainly adds to the picture of what happened to poor little Kylie.

I read the Mr. Cruel connection thing before, as far as I know he was not thought to be linked to this crime. Probably for the reasons you gave.

You'd think with all that DNA, there'd be enough left in evidence to at least give a decent dna profile. Especially as those canny cops on the scene were so careful to store it, "just in case". I have to wonder if Kylie's evidence was among the dozens of cases potentially ruined, when some tosser of a lieutenant ordered a pile of cold case evidence destroyed a whiles back.

I hope they get this monster. If the dna is intact, I hope it's a matter of time.

Good work, Paul.

They ruled out Robert Lowe by DNA. So if any of Kylie's evidence was thrown out after that, hopefully the DNA data is stored electronically somewhere.

 

[paul1980]

The newspaper report of someone matching Kylie's description entering a Preston "Kentucky Fried Chicken" or "Red Rooster" and buying a "large serve of chips":

* If it was Kylie, where did she get the money for the chips? She was only given enough money to pay for the bag of sugar.

* If I were serving at a KFC/Red Rooster, even in 1984, and a tiny six-year-old girl came in and asked to buy chips, my first words would be "Where's your Mummy, sweetheart?"

* The time that she was said to have been seen in the KFC/Red Rooster is *after* the time she is thought to have been kidnapped.

 

[Ausgirl]

Paul, do you have a link to that article? Or do you recall an exact time/date for the sighting?

 

[paul1980]

The Canberra Times, November 12, 1984.

TCT says the sighting was at 6PM. That's *after* Kylie's mother has gone to the Food Plus looking for her daughter.

 

[paul1980]

I wonder how he kept her obedient enough to take the sedative, not scream and run when he invited her into his car, and not fight when he made her perform oral sex on him?

 

[Ausgirl]

Just a scenario, Paul:

-- smooth talks Kylie into accepting a lift, "I'm a friend of your Mum's, she sent me to pick you up, hop in." (6 yo's aren't very canny, that way is why it works so often on little kids).
-- offers her a drink/food laced with sedative.
-- keeps talking to her to keep her calm, drives her around until it works, or just goes to his house/initial crime scene.
--- etc.

If that sighting is accurate, perhaps he bought her the chips, "Mum said we could pick some chips up on the way..you're a big girl, you can run in and get them" Showing 'harmlessness', letting them 'go' without actually doing so, to get their confidence. Like the Beaumont kids, and their pies and pound note they didn't have before.

This guy was an experienced pedo, for sure.

 

[paul1980]

Kylie haunts me more than the Beaumonts - I grew up in the same city as her, am only two years younger, and there's a stronger hope that her killer is still alive and could be brought to justice. Unlike the killer of the Beaumonts, who is almost certainly dead after the passage of 49 years.

I've never told this before to anyone, but i had a babysitter when i was a child who kept talking about how he liked little girls' feet. I feel safe in calling him a pedo.

 

[Ausgirl]

Paul... that's just damn creepy. And a good example of how these men, even if you're not a direct victim, can leave their filthy imprint on the minds of kids. If there's ever a foot fetish pedo/killer reported, I hope you'd feel confident in going to police, hun.

Kylie was, I am absolutely certain, not his one and only victim. I've been searching for other abductions where drugs were used, not finding much of use, I'm afraid.

 

[paul1980]

This babysitter must have had a fetish for babies or toddlers as well - he had me put on a nappy that my parents still had in the house. I was still young enough and small enough that the nappy fit me.
As with his foot fetish about little girls, I didn't tell anyone at the time.

 

[Ausgirl]

I've got stuff I never told anyone, too.. I think a lot of kids do, scarily enough. Sitting in a roomful of women one evening, the conversation came round to this very topic. I asked how many had 'pedo' stuff happen to them a kid, on any level, and never told, and all but two said 'yes'. It was pretty cathartic. I think more men are affected than ever let on.. Anyway, hugs to you, Paul.

Sydney pedo, liked very young girls, drugged them.. 'accidentally' killed little Samantha Knight. Grew up in Melbourne. I'd love to know where. He was also thought (by parent of missing child) to have snatched a victim in Canberra, as he was working nearby at the time. So he wasn't limited to Bondi, location-wise.

On 7 June 2001, he pleaded guilty to the manslaughter of Samantha Knight. He claimed that he had drugged her the way he had always drugged his victims, but that he had accidentally given her an overdose that killed her. On 28 August, 2002, he was sentenced to 12–17 years for manslaughter. Samantha's body has never been found; Guider said he could not remember what he did with the body. He showed no remorse.

http://murderpedia.org/male.G/g/guider-michael.htm

 

[paul1980]

thank you.
Hugs back to you.

I can't remember what he must have said to keep me quiet but he must have said something.

There isn't an actual thread on the Beaumont children in 1960s Missing. Maybe you or I should start one.

 

[Ausgirl]

There *was* a Beaumont thread, but it's been closed down thanks to some posts...... fricken annoying, one of our most famous cases and all. Still waiting for it get opened again.