GUILTY Australia - Kylie Maybury, 6, abducted & murdered, Preston, Vic, 6 Nov 1984

  • #161
I'm planning to share with Derryn the fact that when i was working the studio control board at 2UNE-FM, my university's student radio station, we were taking the feed off the satellite - it was one of those extreme left wing talk/current affairs shows that community radio likes to run. Might even have been Undercurrents the show that made Lenin look like Margaret Thatcher. Anyway, they were discussing child abuse and they suggested in all seriousness that convicted pedos who were undergoing "rehabilitation" be given a little girl to molest in the same way that heroin addicts are given methadone.
WHAT???? This is the craziest thing i have ever heard and i am completely blown away. As a victim myself when i was a small child i find this absolutely appalling that anyone would even think along those lines. The only answer is to lock them up and throw away the key. If my family didnt have their heads up their arse and actually believe the 'multiple' family members before me that came forward and sent this person to jail i (and who knows who else) would never have gone through what i did.
It would only fuel the fantasy IMO. There is no rehabilitation for these folk IMO it is a sexual preference and i dont think you can strip that from someones personaility. It would be like telling a homosexual not to like the same gender. Or telling me i cant like the opposite sex. WOW. Just. WOW!!!
 
  • #162
Sorry, meant to quote FS there! I agree with you, totally wrong headed.
 
  • #163
It's exactly what they did in South Australia when our Government made twice convicted child molester (previously jailed 1963 and 67) the Executive Director of Children's Foundation South Australia and Camp Sunshine, where he further offended, jailed again about 1978. O'Shea was formally a social worker, but jailed twice for sexually abusing children, and the Children's foundation and Camp Sunshine were designed to serve underprivileged children, so they put him in charge. When caught out again (6 or more victims), the sentencing Judge spoke of his good works and defended his reoffending, sighting his excessive workload as reason. In 1988 O'Shea was released on Licence to the Parole Board and again place with children to teach computing classes during a school holiday program. He groomed and sexually abused a 10 year old boy, then passed the victim on to his paedophile mate 'Humphries' where the victim disappeared for a week in Kings Cross. That victim, as an adult, challenge the Govt. S.A. Parole Board in both the State and the High Courts, sighting negligence in 'Duty of Care'. He lost that challenge...twice. O'Shea has since been jailed for another 2 years for further multiple child sex offences committed during his time at Camp Sunshine. How does 'convicted repeat child molester' fit the criteria for 'working with children'. You don't always have to look overseas to see such social experiments where children are sacrificed, just to see if 'the treatment' worked.
 
  • #164
Ausgirl, Fence Sitter, XLamb, I hate those extreme left wing community radio shows that 2UNE-FM takes off the bird. one of the shows saying that pedophiles should be given a little girl to molest/rape is one of those reasons. I hated sitting there in the 2UNE-FM studio hearing it coming over the on-air feed, knowing i was powerless to do anything about it.
 
  • #165
Taking a stand with you paul1980. While I'm not familiar with this radio station I'm kind of glad it made you so mad, if it became a defining moment and motivated you to act for Kylie Maybury. You're no longer powerless. You're words and actions can help bring about change.

In South Australia it was childhood sex abuse survivors, their families and friends that gathered signatures to petition our Government to overturn the "1982 Statute of Limitations". The existing Law gave exemption to child predators for all sex offences committed prior to 1982, while at the same time our State had numerous outstanding cases of missing children / murders... e.g. Beaumont Children, Adelaide Oval Abductions, and 'so called' Family Murders to name a few. The then newly formed Family First Party took up our cause and eventually had the Statute removed via Parliament. While both Labour and Liberal Party's were in positions of power to do some good, they instead dismissed victims and distanced themselves. The removal of the '1982 Statute of Limitations' allowed Police to investigate victims claims, once it became possible to prosecute the perpetrators. Victims of Laurie O'Shea, Perkins, Magistrate Peter Liddy and others finally had a voice, and some prosecutions followed. We also battled for years for a Royal Commission into past exploitation and sexual abuse of children, but the Labour Govt. whittled this down to an 'Inquiry for State Wards' only, with terms of reference made to exclude those children 'known to be missing' (Beaumont's / Oval Abductions etc.). Every other victim, complainant, witness not from a 'Home' / Orphanage... were excluded. How screwed up is that!
We're still battling for some common sense and serious investigation into the stream of South Australia's Missing Children that spanned decades.
Last year rewards for a number of these cold cases were increased to 1 million.
 
  • #166
I'd was unaware of Kylie Maybury's case until a websleuth's member brought it to my attention recently. I know about South Australian cases and these will involve a paedophile group who were efficient and organised network. While I'm reluctant to compare Kylie's circumstances to our child victims, the Beaumont Children have been raised here, so there's room to eliminate or speculate any possible links.

One could say... that both were taken on days of National significance. Melbourne Cup Day / Kylie Maybury and Australia Day / Beaumont Children. Another unsolved S.A. case, that of Kirsty Gordon and Joanne Ratcliffe, were taken from a Football Final at Adelaide Oval in 1973. This was locally, a significant day.
All our children have vanished. More child victims disappeared over following decades. There's no body or clothing found, therefore there's no evidence, so for these perpetrators / paedophiles for these crimes, there'll be no D.N.A. found on a data base. For one individual that status has recently changed though. Checking for Blood Group O- might allow this person to be eliminated from enquiries. Anything further should go to Adelaide Major Crime.

Some posts have said the perpetrator for Kylie could be a 'local'. Comparisons to the Adelaide ped. group are .... That they knew the area well, had a plan and routine, had done this before and knew where to hide the body (had there own 'body boy' so to speak). They left everyone searching and guessing, thus the mystery continue as more children vanished.

If you flip that mindset across the border to fit Kylie's circumstances, it's the opposite. Thus one could speculate that if the perp had come from Adelaide's ped group... they'd been caught out on an 'impulse' while visiting Interstate. They had no plan, didn't know the area well enough to hide the body, they didn't even have a home to stash her body while they did some reconnaissance (not amongst usual ped network. No 'body boy' available ). They were caught short and had no other choice but to travel back the same route from where Kylie was taken and dump her body, because their knowledge of the area was limited, and body disposal needed to be done in a rush. Disposals are done more meticulously in Adelaide. In Kylie's case my view is speculation only.

I feel very sorry for all involved, particularly the Grandfather and the Uncle. When it comes to the judgement of men that 'cross-dress', I'll add that, as a woman, I can wear trousers whenever I want. I'm also rather fond of our "Dame Edna". I don't view 'cross-dressing' as a crime. I do think that such groups of men meeting in secrecy would make them and their families vulnerable to blackmail. They could also attract paedophiles and predators who are known to take advantage of any perceived weakened protection factors existing within family units (e.g. single mothers).
 
  • #167
.. or he could have simply been a local pedo driving past at an opportune moment, with his rape kit ready in the car.

The drugging is what really suggests he'd done this before. Who knows, he might have kept a bottle of meds in the dash just in case.. and who'd question a man keeping his own medication in the car?

I want this so-and-so caught. For Kylie, but for the other victims too, whom I suspect are out there somewhere.
 
  • #168
If he has killed other victims, maybe the police didn't want it publicised and that's why it's not mentioned in the article?
 
  • #169
Well surely if Kylie's perp's a local and they continued to drug and kill children, you'd have other similar unsolved cases as a comparison and some D.N.A. to match. I'd have thought Police would've ventured down that path already, and Websleuth posters would be raising other similar Victorian unsolved cases along side Kylie Maybury in evidence.
Early last year there were 14 additional Investigative Officers added to the usual staff of 15 (in Major Crime) to re-examine our States historical cold cases of missing children. The rewards for each case were increased to 1 million$. I'd say that indicates they've new information and they're putting in a solid effort to have these crimes resolved.

Prior to this, Police and Journalist have always looked at Interstate jailed villains / child murderers to explain our vanishing children, rather than they thoroughly examine our local paedophile networks. So far they've blamed O'Neil from Tasmania (A.B.C. documentary 'The Fisherman'), then it was Derek Percy. Police waited decades for a death bed confession, and did likewise for 'Beck'. Brown was another. All suspects came up empty. Media have blamed Von Einem for just about everything, though children continued to disappear while he remained behind bars.
More recently, on Public demand, Police dug up the Castaloys Factory here, following claims made in the book 'The Satin Man'. Police found nothing and dismissed the accusations and claims.

If you're looking for a needle in a hay stack, they've only just begun to dig into South Australia's heap, so maybe some answers will come from what eventually unfolds here. There will be more children from the 'Homes' that disappeared. They haven't even been added to the count yet.

If you're convinced the perps someone local, that's fine...you needn't look Interstate for answers.
 
  • #170
“It is axiomatic in government that hornets’ nests should be left unstirred, cans of worms should remain unopened, and cats should be left firmly in bags and not set among the pigeons. Ministers should also leave boats unrocked, nettles ungrasped, refrain from taking bulls by the horns, and resolutely turn their backs to the music.” ~ Sir Humphrey Appleby
 
  • #171
If he has killed other victims, maybe the police didn't want it publicised and that's why it's not mentioned in the article?

I didn't say 'killed'. He could've been successfully drugging and raping kids for years - if he was never caught, if the cops never thought to preserve samples that would today yeild dna, he wouldn't be on any data bases.

Xlamb, sorry but it's just a fact that one person or one group of people could not possibly have committed every child abduction/murder in the fricken country. And yup, this looks local to me. I'll let the police prove me wrong (or even right!), when they finally round the so-and-so up.
 
  • #172
Xlamb, the only person that brought up "interstate for answers" was you. I'm really not sure what pedophile networks in SA has to do with Kylie Maybury. Your speculating that a pedophile (or group) came from SA came to Victoria, and unable to resist their urge/s they abducted, raped and killed Kylie. And then being completely unprepared just dumped her. Your reasoning seems to be that if it was a local there would be other unsolved missing children and dna that Vic police would be able to identify. So therefore it is reasonable to speculate that it was an interstate organised pedophile/s? On the other hand, you're saying that SA police have looked interstate for missing/murdered SA children and now they're looking at the "South Australian heap". I just don't get it, sorry.
 
  • #173
I wonder, if it was a local, whether Kylie knew him? By the time she realises that the Joe Bloggs she knows from around the 'burb has not so nice plans in mind, it's too late to escape?
Maybe he had help, too.
 
  • #174
I didn't say 'killed'. He could've been successfully drugging and raping kids for years - if he was never caught, if the cops never thought to preserve samples that would today yeild dna, he wouldn't be on any data bases.

Xlamb, sorry but it's just a fact that one person or one group of people could not possibly have committed every child abduction/murder in the fricken country. And yup, this looks local to me. I'll let the police prove me wrong (or even right!), when they finally round the so-and-so up.

It was in the case of Samantha Knight. Her killer Michael Guider had been drugging and abusing local Bondi children for years. He accidentally overdosed poor Samantha and she died, he disposed of her body and still hasn't revealed where. This monster of a man had been free to do whatever without fear, it was only after Samantha's disappearance that his molestation of children came to be known.
In Kylie's case it could very well be someone who lived on the same block, even knew each by sight. :thinking:
 
  • #175
I'm wondering why police often wait until someone is dead (Jimmy Savile forex) before they expose him as a rockspider/pedophile. At least one confidante of Margaret Thatcher was only exposed as a rockspider three years after he died.
 
  • #176
I 100% do not think the Vic police are all about waiting for him to die, Paul.
 
  • #177
I know. I'm just saying you can't say the same for police in other places. Elements of the British police helped cover up Jimmy Savile and that minister of Margaret Thatcher's - even though some of their victims did try to come forward while the men were still alive.
 
  • #178
Getting back to Ausgirl's theory that the killer let Kylie buy the chips as a way of "letting her go, without letting her go" and how similar it was to the Beaumont Children and them buying pastries with a pound note they had not had when they left home, I knows it's fairly unlikely it could be the same perp, but a lot of criminals study famous cases before carrying out their own.

Brightbird; Comparisons to Interstate child murders were raised by paul1980 re- South Australian Beaumont Children...thus raised by another initially... not me...I was contacted by a websleuths member alerting me to the revised Websleuths Beaumont Children's site and also to Kylie Maybury. But does it really matter!!!
It would be common sense for the lead investigator in Kylie's case to contact those Interstate for any new leads if the case hasn't moved forward in 30 years and S.A. is currently examining historical crimes of a similar nature. Paedophiles also have their Passports stamped and hop on planes to abuse children in other countries where there's easy access re- child sex trafficking, so crossing the border between any Australian State wouldn't present a problem in comparison. The similarities of food purchased as a means of gaining a child's trust is a worthy mention and deserving of further discussion. It could also indicate Kylie knew her abductor. She have given a description or identified him had she survived the attack.

paul1980...Do you know whether autopsy results were able to confirm Kylie bought chips re- undigested stomach contents on examination.
 
  • #179
I'll ask my police contact whether anything was found in Kylie's tummy.
 
  • #180
That's would be great paul1980. Kylie was only given enough money to purchase sugar and helpful if sighting (chips) was confirmed. Other than that, there's a location (where body's found), a car, a man and a D.N.A. sample that could belong to anyone not yet entered onto the sex offenders register 30 years on.
 

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