Australia Australia - Lynette Dawson, 34, Sydney, Jan 1982 *Arrest* #2

[Estelle]

10-14 Feb 2020

 

[drsleuth]

NoCookies | The Australian

There has been a dramatic change in plans for the committal hearing of Chris Dawson on a charge of murdering his wife Lyn.

After being unable to secure a guarantee that witness testimony would remain out of the public domain until a trial, Mr Dawson’s lawyer Phillip Boulten SC said five key witnesses were no longer required at the committal.

It is expected that evidence at a Supreme Court pre-trial hearing would not be made public ahead of a trial.

The case was adjourned until Tuesday, when the first witness will be psychic medium Debbie Malone.

 

[musicaljoke]

Where does Ms Malone fit into the case? What testimony is she expected to bring?

 

[drsleuth]

Where does Ms Malone fit into the case? What testimony is she expected to bring?

No idea musicaljoke !! Very odd.......

 

[drsleuth]

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...opped-from-court-hearing-20200210-p53zcs.html

Witnesses who spoke to "Teacher's Pet" journalist Hedley Thomas have been scrapped from a week of Local Court hearings against accused murderer Chris Dawson over concerns of contaminated evidence.

Mr Dawson, 71, was on Monday due to face a five-day committal hearing before Downing Centre magistrate Jacqueline Trad to determine whether he will face a Supreme Court trial over the death of his wife Lynette in 1982. He has pleaded not guilty to the charge of murder.

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Ms Trad said she was hesitant to suppress details of the hearing based on evidence she had not heard and, following a brief pause in proceedings, the parties agreed to drop a number of witnesses.

"The remainder of the evidence in the committal hearing will not touch upon Mr Thomas or issues that relate to the podcast," Mr Boulton said.


Witnesses are set to begin evidence in the committal hearing on Tuesday.

 

[Pi Thoughts]

I find the inclusion of a psychic as a witness to be interesting and strange. Due to TOS we aren’t supposed to discuss psychics but hopefully this will be allowable....

“Debbie Malone says she knows exactly what happened to missing mother-of-two Lyn Dawson after she was last seen on Sydney's northern beaches 36 years ago.

According to Malone, Mrs Dawson has given her all the disturbing details in a series of graphic messages from beyond the grave.

The psychic medium claims Mrs Dawson was murdered and buried under lime and carpet on the Bayview bushland property she shared with her school teacher husband Chris, perhaps near a retaining wall.

What is more, Malone believes Mrs Dawson can see her husband wilting under the pressure of being publicly blamed for her murder and is enjoying the spectacle.”
Psychic says she knows where missing mother-of-two Lyn Dawson is buried - and who killed her | Daily Mail Online

 

[Estelle]

 

[Estelle]

"The psychic later visited the former Dawson family home in Gilwinga Drive at Bayview with Mr Simms and Ms Jenkins, sensing the missing mother was still there.

'I went to the back of the property with the family,' she said. 'I think she's still on the property.'

'I feel like he put lime on her and I felt there was a plastic bag that could have been put on her head.

'I saw him throw white powder over her body, throw water on her and then put a beige-coloured shag pile carpet on top and then I saw him cover her up with soil.'

Malone believes Mrs Dawson could be buried under a retaining wall. 'I feel that they need to look at the back of the house where the retaining wall is.' "

Psychic says she knows where missing mother-of-two Lyn Dawson is buried - and who killed her | Daily Mail Online

 

[they'll get you]

Debbie Malone believes Lynette Dawson I’d at the back of the house near the retaining wall
Maybe the cops didn’t dig deep enough.

 

[musicaljoke]

Debbie Malone believes Lynette Dawson I’d at the back of the house near the retaining wall

OHHKAYYY.

But she is permitted to speak in court, so there must be something about which she can testify. Was she present when the pink sweater was found?

Are we allowed to speculate about this? I am not familiar with AU pre-trial privacy laws.

 

[Estelle]

"The psychic later visited the former Dawson family home in Gilwinga Drive at Bayview with Mr Simms and Ms Jenkins, sensing the missing mother was still there.

'I went to the back of the property with the family,' she said. 'I think she's still on the property.'

'I feel like he put lime on her and I felt there was a plastic bag that could have been put on her head.

'I saw him throw white powder over her body, throw water on her and then put a beige-coloured shag pile carpet on top and then I saw him cover her up with soil.'

Malone believes Mrs Dawson could be buried under a retaining wall. 'I feel that they need to look at the back of the house where the retaining wall is.' "

Psychic says she knows where missing mother-of-two Lyn Dawson is buried - and who killed her | Daily Mail Online

Does the lime and water get rid of bones too? I have read differing opinions about this.

 

[Cliff Hardy]

Does the lime and water get rid of bones too? I have read differing opinions about this.

It is a long held belief that lime assists in decomposition and most of us have heard of instances where it has been used. But...

In Belgium tests were conducted using pig bodies that were buried in shallow graves with various different types of lime. The pig bodies were dug up after 6 months of burial and the combined results demonstrated that lime actually delayed the decay of the carcass during that 6 month period.

 

[drsleuth]

NoCookies | The Australian

Twist in Chris Dawson hearing: Psychic not available to give evidence

However Ms Malone was not available, and the only witness to give evidence on Tuesday will now be a 101-year-old woman, Elva McBay.

The court has been told Ms McBay has a medical condition related to her sight that restricts her from giving evidence before 11.30am. She will give her evidence via video link.

“She’s the only witness listed for today, so that’s what we’ll proceed with,’’ Magistrate Jacqueline Trad said Tuesday.

Crown prosecutor Craig Everson said he would tender Ms McBay’s statement and had questions about one aspect of it.

 

[drsleuth]

NoCookies | The Australian

A 101-year-old woman has told a court she caught a fleeting glimpse of a woman she thought was Lyn Dawson at a royal parade more than a year after the mother-of-two was reported missing.

Elva McBay was giving evidence via video link at the committal hearing of Chris Dawson, charged with murdering his wife, Lyn, in January 1982.

Mrs McBay told the hearing she was at crowded Macquarie St, Sydney, with her husband during a parade for Prince Charles and Princess Diana on March 28, 1983.


A woman ducked under the barricades and ran across the road to the other side just before the procession of vehicles carrying the royals passed by, she said.

“I saw her face for a few seconds, then she ran in front of the motorbikes. Terribly dangerous,” she said.

”I turned to my husband and said, ‘I think that’s Lynette Dawson’.
Mrs McBay confirmed at today’s hearing that she was a diehard fan of Mr Dawson’s former rugby league team, the Newtown Jets, supporting the club from the age of three.

She would attend every Newtown Jets game, both home and away.

She became friends with Chris Dawson and his twin brother Paul — also a former Newtown Jets player — and would visit their homes at Bayview on Sydney’s northern beaches.

Asked for her opinion of Mr Dawson, she described him in glowing terms, saying she never saw him bad-tempered or angry, even on the field.

That evidence prompted a sudden show of emotion from 71-year-old Mr Dawson, who leaned forward in his chair in the courtroom’s front row and was comforted by a female supporter beside him.

 

[k-mac]

NoCookies | The Australian

A 101-year-old woman has told a court she caught a fleeting glimpse of a woman she thought was Lyn Dawson at a royal parade more than a year after the mother-of-two was reported missing.

Elva McBay was giving evidence via video link at the committal hearing of Chris Dawson, charged with murdering his wife, Lyn, in January 1982.

Mrs McBay told the hearing she was at crowded Macquarie St, Sydney, with her husband during a parade for Prince Charles and Princess Diana on March 28, 1983.


A woman ducked under the barricades and ran across the road to the other side just before the procession of vehicles carrying the royals passed by, she said.

“I saw her face for a few seconds, then she ran in front of the motorbikes. Terribly dangerous,” she said.

”I turned to my husband and said, ‘I think that’s Lynette Dawson’.
Mrs McBay confirmed at today’s hearing that she was a diehard fan of Mr Dawson’s former rugby league team, the Newtown Jets, supporting the club from the age of three.

She would attend every Newtown Jets game, both home and away.

She became friends with Chris Dawson and his twin brother Paul — also a former Newtown Jets player — and would visit their homes at Bayview on Sydney’s northern beaches.

Asked for her opinion of Mr Dawson, she described him in glowing terms, saying she never saw him bad-tempered or angry, even on the field.

That evidence prompted a sudden show of emotion from 71-year-old Mr Dawson, who leaned forward in his chair in the courtroom’s front row and was comforted by a female supporter beside him.

omg he makes me sick
appreciate all your updates on our cases doc.
this week seems like there is something ludicrous and contagious going round the court rooms

moo

 

[drsleuth]

We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph

The same woman told a court she comforted the “distraught” Mrs Dawson because the teenage girl who moved into their family home wanted “to get rid of me”.

Elva McBay gave evidence before Dawson’s committal hearing in Sydney via audiovisual link on Tuesday. He has pleaded not guilty to murdering his wife.

Mrs McBay visited Chris and Lynette after they moved to Bayview on multiple occasions, particularly for birthdays.

It was at one of these parties where Mrs McBay saw Mrs Dawson “distraught”, crying and trembling, in the kitchen of the home.

“She said ‘I had the most dreadful row with (the teenage girl) this morning, she said she wants to get rid of me’,” Mrs McBay told the court.

“I said ‘oh Lyn, you can’t be hurt like this. You should get her out of the house before she causes any more trouble’.”

Mrs Dawson said her own mother gave her similar advice.

About six months later, in January 1982, Mrs Dawson disappeared from Bayview and was never seen again.

The court also heard Mrs McBay, some years ago, was sent a photograph by one of the Dawson twins which showed a woman who had appeared on the Antiques Roadshow television program.

“I thought it looked very, very much like Lyn,” she told the court.

Mrs McBay described Dawson as a devoted husband.

“Chris was very quiet, very placid, easy going, good fun,” she said.

“I never saw him bad tempered, never saw him angry.”

Mrs McBay’s only criticism of Dawson’s character was that he “not aggressive enough” on the footy field.

 

[k-mac]

We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph

The same woman told a court she comforted the “distraught” Mrs Dawson because the teenage girl who moved into their family home wanted “to get rid of me”.

Elva McBay gave evidence before Dawson’s committal hearing in Sydney via audiovisual link on Tuesday. He has pleaded not guilty to murdering his wife.

Mrs McBay visited Chris and Lynette after they moved to Bayview on multiple occasions, particularly for birthdays.

It was at one of these parties where Mrs McBay saw Mrs Dawson “distraught”, crying and trembling, in the kitchen of the home.

“She said ‘I had the most dreadful row with (the teenage girl) this morning, she said she wants to get rid of me’,” Mrs McBay told the court.

“I said ‘oh Lyn, you can’t be hurt like this. You should get her out of the house before she causes any more trouble’.”

Mrs Dawson said her own mother gave her similar advice.

About six months later, in January 1982, Mrs Dawson disappeared from Bayview and was never seen again.

The court also heard Mrs McBay, some years ago, was sent a photograph by one of the Dawson twins which showed a woman who had appeared on the Antiques Roadshow television program.

“I thought it looked very, very much like Lyn,” she told the court.

Mrs McBay described Dawson as a devoted husband.

“Chris was very quiet, very placid, easy going, good fun,” she said.

“I never saw him bad tempered, never saw him angry.”

Mrs McBay’s only criticism of Dawson’s character was that he “not aggressive enough” on the footy field.

oh yes ma'am
totally that conniving 16 yr old girls fault.(I cant see her saying that to lyn personally)
not that charming fabulous (conceited cheating ) husband of yours lynnie!

that generation of women just defy comprehension.
appearance at all cost.
sad.

moo

 

[DRT]

The witnesses who will no longer appear are: Mr Thomas; Mrs Dawson’s former friend and neighbour Julie Andrew; Rebecca Hazel, a lawyer and the author of a book on the case; Detective Sergeant Damian Loone, who was assigned to investigate in the 1990s; and Bev McNally, a former Dawson family babysitter.

Mr Dawson’s lawyers have said all five are expected to be called to a later Supreme Court pre-trial hearing, where their evidence would likely be suppressed.

NoCookies | The Australian
( From Article - Twist in Chris Dawson hearing: Psychic not available to give evidence).

The five witnesses that are no longer going to appear seem fairly important. All of them have valuable information. Well Hedley it is all from interviews so nothing directly. I am guessing they are saying their evidence can be used but not published.

 

[musicaljoke]

NoCookies | The Australian

Twist in Chris Dawson hearing: Psychic not available to give evidence

However Ms Malone was not available, and the only witness to give evidence on Tuesday will now be a 101-year-old woman, Elva McBay.

The court has been told Ms McBay has a medical condition related to her sight that restricts her from giving evidence before 11.30am. She will give her evidence via video link.

“She’s the only witness listed for today, so that’s what we’ll proceed with,’’ Magistrate Jacqueline Trad said Tuesday.

Crown prosecutor Craig Everson said he would tender Ms McBay’s statement and had questions about one aspect of it.

Unavailable?! How is it that the psychic was not available? Does the article provide a reason?

 

[DRT]

Unavailable?! How is it that the psychic was not available? Does the article provide a reason?

I think she was unavailable on Tuesday. Not that she is totally unavailable.