Australia - Man wanted after pouring hot coffee on baby in park, Brisbane, Queensland. 27th August 2024 *suspect fled to China*

[iamshadow21]

Chinese authorities to visit Brisbane as baby attack investigation continues

China's ambassador to Australia says authorities will travel to Brisbane as the search for the man who threw hot coffee on a baby continues.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Via Marple]

Chinese authorities to visit Brisbane as baby attack investigation continues

China's ambassador to Australia says authorities will travel to Brisbane as the search for the man who threw hot coffee on a baby continues.

www.abc.net.au

Why is it the ambassador's responsibility?

Do they want to trade hot coffee guy for the return of Yang Lanlan?

Woman charged over Rolls-Royce crash breached bail, court told

The 23-year-old has sparked curiosity and intrigue among Chinese Australians due to her apparent wealth.

www.abc.net.au

MOO.. speculation..

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Maybe perhaps the Chinese government just wants to do the right thing without any other reason behind it.

Like they did in the case of little Pumpkin from New Zealand a few years ago whose mother was murdered.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Manhunt ramps up for man accused of throwing hot coffee on baby

The international manhunt for a man accused of throwing scalding hot coffee on a nine-month-old baby boy i...

www.9news.com.au

Following 18 months with no arrest, Chinese officials are now being sent to Brisbane to assist in the investigation, it can be revealed.

China's Ambassador to Australia Xiao Qian has confirmed that investigators in China will travel to the Queensland capital to assist Australian police.

"There is going to be a working group from China coming to Australia, going to Brisbane to investigate, to see what exactly happened, how it happened," Xiao said.

Xiao said Australian officials have been working with their Chinese counterparts.

"We are serious in taking the necessary actions as a follow-up," he added.

 

[Melt71]

Why is it the ambassador's responsibility?

The Ambassador is China's official government representative in Australia. His team would be involved in making arrangements for the meetings for the Chinese visiting officials. Officials can't just lob up on a visit; arrival as a delegation involves quite a bit of protocol and prearrangement. As their most senior official in Australia, he or members of his staff may attend some meetings. The Ambassador being involved definately indicates that it's being taken seriously at senior levels; in my experience minor matters aren't attended to by Ambassadors.

 

[Dotta]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2016624238405325268

 

[Marg944]

This report states that they have located the man in China!



“Queensland Police and Australian Federal Police also released a statement on Wednesday in which they said they had located the man in China and were working with the Chinese authorities to press ahead with the case, the Courier Mail reported.”

https://www.news.com.au/national/huge-breakthrough-in-baby-coffee-attack-case/news-story/51df9a28d5abdccc0f40eac5950e3e8c

 

[Via Marple]

This report states that they have located the man in China!



“Queensland Police and Australian Federal Police also released a statement on Wednesday in which they said they had located the man in China and were working with the Chinese authorities to press ahead with the case, the Courier Mail reported.”

https://www.news.com.au/national/huge-breakthrough-in-baby-coffee-attack-case/news-story/51df9a28d5abdccc0f40eac5950e3e8c

I would be very surprised if they haven't located him.

China is a totalitarian state with human face recognition everywhere, and social credit system installed in many cities.

Conventional thinking applicable in Western countries, do not apply there. They don't do things your way.

I would say MOO because I can't be bothered to find links for evidence. They can be easily googled, unless you stumble upon those propaganda sites.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

He has been located.
Thanks for posting that @Marg944.

I totally missed seeing that until your post.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Reminding myself of what's important.

Justice for a baby that was cruelly attacked

I trust that Australia and China both want to do their best for a just outcome.

So far I have seen or heard nothing that tells me either country is not taking this case very seriously.

 

[Melt71]

So far I have seen or heard nothing that tells me either country is not taking this case very seriously.

If the AFP is involved there won't be any public updates, that's not how they work. (Personally I prefer it, I really dislike how some law enforcement in other places conduct so much of their business online).

Quote from the above article posted by Marg it sounds like they may be exploring charging the person in China, which would meet their government's policy of not extraditing their citizens, but would might also mean justice (sentences tend to be heavier in China for some offences).

'The AFP values the ongoing co-operation from Chinese authorities and their shared commitment to pursue all avenues for justice in light of the alleged offender's location,'........'China has extraterritorial jurisdiction to prosecute its citizens for conduct which occurs outside China.

 

[Dotta]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2018090500377509955

 

[Vaderman]

Well this is a pleasant surprise. I thought he'd slip through the cracks.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

MSN

Cops reveal update in baby coffee attack case​

Chinese authorities have landed in Australia as they continue their efforts to locate a man who allegedly poured hot coffee on a baby at a Brisbane park almost two years ago.

On Friday, Queensland Police released footage of officers with Chinese authorities through Brisbane.

The group were seen walking through the Brisbane park, retracing the steps of the attack.

Luka’s family said they were “aware of the delegation’s visit” and met with them during their visit to Queensland.

“We continue to thank the public and media for their ongoing support,” they said.

“We have no further comment at this time.”

Speaking at a press conference in Canberra in late January, Chinese ambassador Xiao Qian said China was taking the matter seriously.

 

[katydid23]

If China wants to put that vile human on trial themselves and hold him accountable, I'm onboard. He won't be treated kindly over there. China don't play.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

As he didn't commit the crime in China, I doubt that he would go on trial there.

I may be wrong.

Someone with more knowledge than me might know.

 

[katydid23]

As he didn't commit the crime in China, I doubt that he would go on trial there.

I may be wrong.

Someone with more knowledge than me might know.

If they won't extradite him, they can decide to bring charges against him anyway, imo.

google says:

• Prosecution in China: According to international legal principles and Chinese law, if China refuses extradition, they have the authority to prosecute their own citizens for crimes committed in other jurisdictions.
• No Active Treaty: While a treaty was signed in 2007, it has not been fully ratified, meaning there is no formal, active extradition treaty currently in place between Australia and China.
• Mechanism for Justice: If China declines to extradite, they may accept evidence gathered by Australian authorities to proceed with a trial within their own legal system.

 

[Melt71]

As he didn't commit the crime in China, I doubt that he would go on trial there.

I may be wrong.

Someone with more knowledge than me might know.

Plenty of countries try criminal for extraterritorial offences. Not every offence qualifies - the offence has to meet the threshold for prosecution in that different jurisdiction.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

It's innocent until proven guilty in many countries so you would not be legally seen as a criminal until after conviction.

 

[Melt71]

It's innocent until proven guilty in many countries so you would not be legally seen as a criminal until after conviction.

Correct.

Assessment of a crime for extradition involves the Attorney General Department of the Requesting Country (Australia) to lodge a government-to-government request. They basically hand over the police brief of evidence and explain why the offence is so serious that they are requesting the person be handed over by the Sending Country (China). The sending country may seek all sorts of assurances, for example about potential sentence in the receiving country, and will do their own in-house assessment of any political blowback, whether precedent will be established by agreeing/not agreeing - all sorts of considerations that the public probably don't even think about.

Assessment of a crime for extrajudicial trial in China means the Chinese would receive Australia's evidence, do their own investigation and then assess whether it's (a) possible and (b) worthwhile to the community to charge and try a person under Chinese law. Its is a very time intensive and labour intensive process. Witnesses including the family, medical experts, Australian police etc may have to give evidence in China (in many countries video evidence is not yet enshrined in law). I imagine there would be an assessment of benefits to the international Australian-Chinese relationship, to China's reputation in law enforcement circles, whether a precedent would be established etc.

The suspect needs to be tried somewhere, but whether it's practically possible is a fascinating study of the inner workings of international law.