Australia Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, Jun 1997 #4

[JLZ]

Or maybe a split personality, or is that known by another name now.

It seems to me she did really well maintaining loving family relationships through a very stressful time. My mother probably has narcissistic personality disorder--she wouldn't have dreamt of sending me a postcard when she was travelling. Not when I was eighteen, not ever.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Yes it does seem to me that Marion was thinking of her family and friends on her travels and wanted to share her special moments of the trip with them.
Doesn't sound at all like she was angry and wanted not to see any family or friends anymore.

 

[KiwiNZ]

It seems to me she did really well maintaining loving family relationships through a very stressful time. My mother probably has narcissistic personality disorder--she wouldn't have dreamt of sending me a postcard when she was travelling. Not when I was eighteen, not ever.

My experience with narcissistic personality is that they can make you feel like the center of their world, and that they can be very over the top with attention , until their focus moves and it just stops. Very fanciful personality, relationships that don't last, and put themselves in front of everyone else.

If in the case Marion did just walk away from her family ( and I am not convinced she did) I am just thinking this could be why she was able to, if she suffered from this disorder.

This case is just mind twisting, like you just cant catch a break

 

[JLZ]

If in the case Marion did just walk away from her family ( and I am not convinced she did) I am just thinking this could be why she was able to, if she suffered from this disorder.

IMO a narcissist wouldn't drop the whole family unless she was very sure of replacements. They are needy, not aloof.

 

[Mjjj14]

I really feel like she sounded very close to Lee based on those postcards.

I think the comment during the phone call about “don’t expect me to keep writing postcards” flies in the face of what she’d actually written.

She’s a puzzling person.

I also just read on TLV page that Sally (or whoever is using the account) is yet to see the 30 august postcard and doesn’t know who received it.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

Tunbridge Wells does have a dodgy dentist who trawls round East & West Sussex


https://www.bexhillobserver.net/news/illegal-dentist-caught-sting-operation-bexhill-care-home-after-offering-dentures-pensioners-176992

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Wow, what a character!

Tunbridge Wells does have a dodgy dentist who trawls round East & West Sussex

 

[poppypopcorn]

Yes that has never made sense, about the postcards. All the very chatty postcards with pretty much trivial detail about hanging baskets and charity shops. If you want to make a break from your family it would be more normal surely to send a couple of "arrived safely, accommodation good, will be travelling around a lot so don't worry if you don't hear from me" cards?

 

[Seriallyaddicted]

Hoping someone can remind me - wasn’t there a Remakel found who was on the payroll somewhere in QLD? What business was it again?

 

[Brissie Sleuth]

Yes that has never made sense, about the postcards. All the very chatty postcards with pretty much trivial detail about hanging baskets and charity shops. If you want to make a break from your family it would be more normal surely to send a couple of "arrived safely, accommodation good, will be travelling around a lot so don't worry if you don't hear from me" cards?

you think you wouldnt bother with any contact, just disappear overseas!

 

[SaintGertrude]

Great find Lord Flimsy. It says He was arrested and gave his name as Von Klemperer not that this name is his real one so may have alias names.

 

[Meligator]

The detail about floods in Germany affecting the rebooking seems too specific to be untrue IMO.

If anyone's interested, this is translation of postcard No.2 - might be a word wrong here and there - forgiveness. It sure doesn't sound like Marion's planning
on leaving the UK any time soon, she's having the time of her life and buying heaps of stuff. It's very strange - really wondering if it was Marion who returned now.

Postcard No.2 - postmark Tonbridge, 7 August 1997 (Picture of the Strand Gate at Winchelsea.)

"Sister Dear, hi, hope you and the family are well. Am having a ball. England is just the most beautiful place. So much to see, do, explore, learn, eat, and op shops galore. I say to myself, "Where's Leap?" Good bargains too. It's sad because I can't possibly carry one more thing. Talk about shop till you drop. I'm totally in my element. Beautiful gardens, weather's been fine - am wearing shorts. Delayed my orient trip till late August. First available re-booking, due to earlier rain and floods in Germany. I don't want to leave the UK just yet. Heaps of private schools - could have had a job in a local village school, relief, but not ready yet. Lovely families in old Oast houses I've stayed with, and B&B's. Met a Dutch dentist and a lady called Maz. Love you heaps, M xxxxxx"

 

[SaintGertrude]

An Oast House linked to Jane Austin in Tonbridge. Marion loved anything Jane Austin.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I remember those floods, they made the news over here and probably worldwide.

The detail about floods in Germany affecting the rebooking seems too specific to be untrue IMO.

 

[poppypopcorn]

I don't understand why floods in Germany would stop the Orient Express running. The classic Orient Express route is London - Dover - Calais - Paris - through the Simplon tunnel into Italy - Milan - Venice. Nowhere near Germany,

 

[SaintGertrude]

An Oast House linked to Jane Austin in Tonbridge. Marion loved anything Jane Austin.

Afternote *If the Yardley Park Road Oast House was ever a B&B now that would be very interesting in relation to possible places Marion could have stayed*

 

[TootsieFootsie]

And wouldn't it be amazing if it was in the George Yardley family. Someone posted that his sister lived in that area.

He was friends with Johnny Warren from playing soccer here, in Australia.

Afternote *If the Yardley Park Road Oast House was ever a B&B now that would be very interesting in relation to possible places Marion could have stayed*

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I think that year was a huge one for floods. In my recollection there was flooding in many countries in Europe, not only Germany.

I don't understand why floods in Germany would stop the Orient Express running. The classic Orient Express route is London - Dover - Calais - Paris - through the Simplon tunnel into Italy - Milan - Venice. Nowhere near Germany,

 

[Mjjj14]

I just looked up these floods, they have their very own Wikipedia entry. They happened in July 97, started in the Czech Republic and also affected Poland and Germany.

There’s nothing I can find about it stopping the orient express, unless she meant that heavy rain would put a literal dampener on the trip and she was worried about further flooding in other parts of Europe.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

The Orient Express has always run from Paris Gare de l'Est via Munich, Vienna & Budapest, whereas the Simplon Orient Express started running in April 1919, taking a Southerly route from Calais and Paris Gare de Lyon to Milan, Venice, Trieste, Zagreb, Belgrade, Sofia and Istanbul, with a portion for Athens.

So yes, Germany and other nearby countries were on it's route.