Australia Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, Jun 1997 #5

[Laughing]

Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, June 1997 #5
what do you read opposite question 12 of the passenger card?

Does anyone know what Question #12 asks? Looks like England to me, if #12 is about final destination, that makes sense.

jmho ymmv lrr

 

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This word, "England", seems crossed out. What is written under this word?

 

[JLZ]

Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, June 1997 #5

This word, "England", seems crossed out. What is written under this word?

It might be S/KOREA but it doesn't look like it exactly. I wouldn't have thought the second-last letter was an E.

What is the question it is supposed to be answering?

 

[Itsapuzzle]

It might be S/KOREA but it doesn't look like it exactly. I wouldn't have thought the second-last letter was an E.

What is the question it is supposed to be answering?

Wish we could get a clearer copy of this form, drats, can't find any others like it online. They changed the format in 1998 I believe. Looks like the final destination for that plane is S Korea, I guess to board the next flight to get to the UK. The person processing the departure card seems to have a bit of trouble with their spelling. Looks like S Koera and Luxenbarg - I'm thinking Australia would become Austria

 

[JLZ]

Luxenbarg

Or ~BRRG.

I like your suggestion of KOERA, the transposed E and R.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

Agree with Poppy. Why Tunbridge Wells? I believe we have to go back to Marion’s previous visit to the UK (Sept 68 to Feb 69).

Johnny didn’t make the grade at Stockport County (Greater Manchester) and played his final game for Stockport Reserves at the end of Nov 68. This begs the question what were Johnny & Marion doing in Dec 68 & Jan 69.

We know they must have gone to Holland during their time here but I’m taking a punt they travelled to the South of England before then and might have come across Tunbridge Wells at this point. The question is why and with whom?

Marion clearly had fond memories of something by her comment on the latest postcard and perhaps she isn’t talking about Stockport.

Did anyone ask Johnny’s surviving elder brother about this trip? He is the one that said Marion had been seeing a man friend whilst Johnny was abroad in 1970/71. Who was this guy? Was he British?

 

[Tintenbar]

It is strange that Marion did not know how to fill out her outgoing passenger card correctly. Europe is not a country. She should know that as a teacher. It is as if she had written "Africa" or "Oceania".
The person who tried to write "Luxembourg" and "South Korea" does not know these countries and does not know the spelling of their names.
Why is it finally indicated that she will reside permanently in Luxembourg? She did not go to Luxembourg. She went to England and then returned to Australia.
Why is she also lying about her real job?

 

[Tintenbar]

Do you think marion changed her name because she was planning to get married? So did she get married in Australia or did she get married in England? If she got married in England, didn't she need a marriage visa?
What is the point of getting married in England if you are Australian and intend to reside permanently in Luxembourg?

 

[SaintGertrude]

Looking again at variations of Remakel on naa.gov.uk.
This dutch person has a similar name to Remakel
View attachment 309702

Do you think marion changed her name because she was planning to get married? So did she get married in Australia or did she get married in England? If she got married in England, didn't she need a marriage visa?
What is the point of getting married in England if you are Australian and intend to reside permanently in Luxembourg?

I thought Marion filled in divorced on her return card to Australia but I am sure she also describes herself as a house wife from Luxembourg.

 

[Tintenbar]

I have just found a F. Remakel quoted in this document on page 18. He ran a bookshop in Luxembourg in March 1981:

https://repository.royalholloway.ac...5-424a-b208-984356f0d706/1/BC_AL_336_39_1.pdf

 

[SaintGertrude]

I have just found a F. Remakel quoted in this document on page 18. He ran a bookshop in Luxembourg in March 1981:

https://repository.royalholloway.ac...5-424a-b208-984356f0d706/1/BC_AL_336_39_1.pdf

Yes that is correct, one of the many business ventures of a person mentioned in the podcast. I am sure we are not allowed to mention him on here though so best to go on a private chat.

 

[SaintGertrude]

I just don't know what to make of Marion. It's like she's several completely different people - the devoted teacher who loved her class of little boys, the clingy needy woman who was desperate for a man - any man, the old-fashioned woman who liked florals and antiques, the devious schemer who changed her name without telling anyone, the rude woman who told Sally's husband to leave and was later spotted with a guy at McDonalds...

People are complex for sure but there are so many different Marions and I'm starting to think that we really can't even trust Sally's opinion of what she was like or what she would/wouldn't have done as she was clearly hiding a lot of things from her daughter too.

I think quite a few of us find her pretty complex, you are not the only one. It would not surprise me if she is still alive and looks at the websleuths page or lady vanishes from time to time or whoever assisted with her vanishing into thin air does. We can never be too certain.

 

[SaintGertrude]

There is also the possibility that Marion was not intending to disappear for good. She made herself vunnerable to being mugged and possibly homicide due to the large money withdrawals. Was someone watching Marion and took advantage of the situation. What are the crime statistics in the area of the Commonwealth bank where money was withdrawn. Also is there a pattern of unaccounted missing people in the area around the 1997 period.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

It's like she or someone else didn't know what her real job was.

Why is she also lying about her real job?

 

[Curiosity Cat]

Looking again at variations of Remakel on naa.gov.uk.
This dutch person has a similar name to Remakel
View attachment 309702

I thought Marion filled in divorced on her return card to Australia but I am sure she also describes herself as a house wife from Luxembourg.

Marion filled in divorced LEAVING Australia and married RETURNING to Australia

 

[Itsapuzzle]

There is also the possibility that Marion was not intending to disappear for good. She made herself vunnerable to being mugged and possibly homicide due to the large money withdrawals. Was someone watching Marion and took advantage of the situation. What are the crime statistics in the area of the Commonwealth bank where money was withdrawn. Also is there a pattern of unaccounted missing people in the area around the 1997 period.

Just re the bank, it seems the Commonwealth Bank had nothing whatsoever to do with Marion's banking at the time, it apparently was the Colonial State Bank at Byron Bay, Ashmore and Burleigh Heads. If I'm understanding correctly the photo of Marion that was shown to the teller was in fact produced at the wrong bank. There's some good links in Trove on Colonial State Bank, have been having a look around, found an unclaimed money list from 2000, but nothing there.

 

[JLZ]

Just re the bank, it seems the Commonwealth Bank had nothing whatsoever to do with Marion's banking at the time, it apparently was the Colonial State Bank at Byron Bay, Ashmore and Burleigh Heads. If I'm understanding correctly the photo of Marion that was shown to the teller was in fact produced at the wrong bank. There's some good links in Trove on Colonial State Bank, have been having a look around, found an unclaimed money list from 2000, but nothing there.

The name Colonial State Bank came into use in 1996, after Colonial Mutual took over the State Bank of New South Wales in 1994. Then Colonial was in turn taken over by Commonwealth Bank in 2000. (So unless Marion had just opened her account, she would originally have been banking with either the State Bank of New South Wales or Colonial Mutual.) Perhaps Sally went to the right bank but described it as the Commonwealth because by the time she was saying it, the bank at that location had been well and truly rebranded as Commonwealth.

 

[KiwiNZ]

The name Colonial State Bank came into use in 1996, after Colonial Mutual took over the State Bank of New South Wales in 1994. Then Colonial was in turn taken over by Commonwealth Bank in 2000. (So unless Marion had just opened her account, she would originally have been banking with either the State Bank of New South Wales or Colonial Mutual.) Perhaps Sally went to the right bank but described it as the Commonwealth because by the time she was saying it, the bank at that location had been well and truly rebranded as Commonwealth.

Just re the bank, it seems the Commonwealth Bank had nothing whatsoever to do with Marion's banking at the time, it apparently was the Colonial State Bank at Byron Bay, Ashmore and Burleigh Heads. If I'm understanding correctly the photo of Marion that was shown to the teller was in fact produced at the wrong bank. There's some good links in Trove on Colonial State Bank, have been having a look around, found an unclaimed money list from 2000, but nothing there.

Its a bit frustrating that the police couldn't clarify this, as to what the name of the bank was when Sally visited, I don't think the physical location is in dispute, just the name of the bank and if it was actually Marion's bank. They have the bank account numbers so they must know the bank they link to and surely they have access to a Yellow pages from the 1997 to check if the bank at the address Sally went to matches the bank the account is linked to. ??

 

[Itsapuzzle]

Was there a Commonwealth Bank in Byron Bay as well as a Colonial State Bank in 1997, two completely different buildings at different locations? Or when the takeover occured in 2000 did the Commonwealth slot into Colonial's old bank location, or vice versa? Has anyone found the 1997 bank addresses, just curious?

 

[poppypopcorn]

Do you think marion changed her name because she was planning to get married? So did she get married in Australia or did she get married in England? If she got married in England, didn't she need a marriage visa?
What is the point of getting married in England if you are Australian and intend to reside permanently in Luxembourg?

She wouldn't have legally been able to get married in the UK. You have to travel on a fiancee visa to marry, not allowed on a tourist one. And you have to give notice a set number of days ahead.

I think this is another of the "marion telling lies" scenarios - divorced, married, separated, single - meh, what will I write today?