Australia Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, Jun 1997 #5

[bettyboop]

Just a thought. The cheques that Lesley Loveday found. Could Marion have sent them to herself. Could that be the money removed from her bank accounts. This fits with the
idea of two distinct personalities. The original Marion, and
the "new", Florabella? JMO MOO

 

[JLZ]

I find this idea very interesting. From the article you quoted:

A split personality is a popular term for DID. In the past, DID was known as multiple personality disorder.

People with DID have two or more distinct personalities. They do not present as simple changes in traits or moods. A person with DID expresses significant differences between these alternate identities, which can also be referred to as alters.

Often, these personalities are completely different from each other. These fragmented personalities take control of the person’s identity for some time.

A person also maintains their primary or host identity, which is their original personality, and will answer to their given name. Their primary identity is generally more passiveTrusted Source, and they may be unaware of the other personalities.

When a personality change happens, the new personality will have a distinct history, a new identity, and different behaviors.

These split personalities, or alters, often have their own distinct:

• name
• age
• gender
• moods
• memories
• vocabulary

This condition is thought to arise from very severe childhood trauma. Such as life-threatening abuse repeated over an extended time.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I have read of cases where no childhood trauma was found to have happened, or at least it was said that the childhood was a very happy one.
I suppose traumas can happen all through our lives.

Maybe there was the trauma of being rejected by one man too many men.

This condition is thought to arise from very severe childhood trauma.

 

[SaintGertrude]

So have I actually as Marion has not always been very consistent. The name change is a red flag for me.

Remember that Marion is in the name change so part of her is still there. Also the initials of her deed poll name are almost the same as someone elses who we must not discuss. I find that really odd to be honest.

 

[JLZ]

I have read of cases where no childhood trauma was found to have happened, or at least it was said that the childhood was a very happy one.
I suppose traumas can happen all through our lives.

Maybe there was the trauma of being rejected by one man too many.

Here's what DSM5 has to say about the causes of DID:

Risk and Prognostic Factors
Environmental. Interpersonal physical and sexual abuse is associated with an increased
risk of dissociative identity disorder. Prevalence of childhood abuse and neglect in the
United States, Canada, and Europe among those with the disorder is about 90%. Other
forms of traumatizing experiences, including childhood medical and surgical procedures,
war, childhood prostitution, and terrorism, have been reported.
Course modifiers. Ongoing abuse, later-life retraumatization, comorbidity with mental
disorders, severe medical illness, and delay in appropriate treatment are associated with
poorer prognosis.

No link, this is from my saved copy. I must have picked it up somewhere online but I don't know where.

 

[SaintGertrude]

I just can't imagine anyone (let alone Marion) giving someone else permission to go back to Australia using Marion's passport to withdraw her money from her bank accounts and then leaving on their own passport. But I can imagine someone doing it if Marion is dead or confined.

The idea Tootsie Footsie has seems credible with the theft possibly being staged. This opens a can of worms with Le Courier snd the mystery man. I have wondered if she placed the advert. Imagine all the ladies writing to her though.

 

[JLZ]

I suppose traumas can happen all through our lives.

Maybe there was the trauma of being rejected by one man too many men.

Trauma can happen all through our lives but beyond childhood the identity is already developed. So the idea is that while later life trauma can cause mental disorders, probably not dissociative identity disorder.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

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Maybe Marion had an identity disorder. That could explain a lot.

Maybe Marion "stole" her own purse or wallet.

Split personality disorder: Signs, symptoms, causes, and more

Maybe Marion had an identity disorder. That could explain a lot.

Maybe Marion "stole" her own purse or wallet.

Split personality disorder: Signs, symptoms, causes, and more

I have wondered this before. Did Sally think the lady who used the ‘stolen’ card seen on CCTV look like Marion because it was actually Marion?

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

Turned 50 with 3 failed marriages, no close bond with her sisters and parents, trouble and accusations at TSS, son & daughter no longer living with her. She was mighty vulnerable to both mental illness and a Romance scammer.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

Not forgetting her health may have also been playing on her mind.

 

[JLZ]

Turned 50 with 3 failed marriages, no close bond with her sisters and parents, trouble and accusations at TSS, son & daughter no longer living with her. She was mighty vulnerable to both mental illness and a Romance scammer.

It would be understandable if she didn't feel up to the leadup to Sally's wedding.

Then being overseas alone, that's an extra vulnerability. Even if not a scammer, perhaps a sudden, unwise, ultimately dangerous attachment.

 

[Estelle]

Remember that Marion is in the name change so part of her is still there. Also the initials of her deed poll name are almost the same as someone elses who we must not discuss. I find that really odd to be honest.

So would this mean that she took on the (female) identity of Remakel and assumed the identity of his wife?

 

[SaintGertrude]

Maybe Marion had been writing to the mysterious Le Courier person from a distance and was spurned by him. If she was obsessed and also possibly suffering from DID would she have then used his initials for her own new name change maybe.

 

[Seriallyaddicted]

The idea Tootsie Footsie has seems credible with the theft possibly being staged. This opens a can of worms with Le Courier snd the mystery man. I have wondered if she placed the advert. Imagine all the ladies writing to her though.

Yes I have often wondered whether Marion placed the advert too but I can’t work out a reason why she would. Plus there was a phone number associated with the ad so why would she do that and have some other women call her, doesn’t make sense.

I think given there was an employee called Remakel at Trendwest and this ad wasn’t that far down the coast from there, it seems likely it might be the same person given no other Remakel names (other than Marion’s name change) have been located from all across Australia.

I’m surprised the police didn’t find something on this for the inquest or that someone else hasn’t uncovered some other Remakel link in Australia like someone who has looked at some government databases and found something.
You would think the police would have done some search on it (looked at passports that came into the country and other government databases for a Remakel).
Fingers crossed the police find something in their new search.

 

[KiwiNZ]

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I think given there was an employee called Remakel at Trendwest and this ad wasn’t that far down the coast from there, it seems likely it might be the same person given no other Remakel names (other than Marion’s name change) have been located from all across Australia. [/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

Itsapuzzle confirmed below -
just did a word search for "Trendwest" on TLV page and it brought up a comment that the Remakel connection at Trendwest was looked into by NSW police and no record was found.

 

[vivienbee]

I was thinking that back then the majority of CCTV was horrible quality, blurry, out of focus etc.

Plus some people do look younger recorded on digital than they do on more old fashioned film.
Plus it was said that the woman looked "uncannily like Marion"

I would love to see an image of the woman, but I suppose it doesn't exist now.

I can't remember if it was in the inquest but I'm fairly confident that the thief was caught, so we know that it wasn't Marion.

 

[SaintGertrude]

I am not

Yes I have often wondered whether Marion placed the advert too but I can’t work out a reason why she would. Plus there was a phone number associated with the ad so why would she do that and have some other women call her, doesn’t make sense.

I think given there was an employee called Remakel at Trendwest and this ad wasn’t that far down the coast from there, it seems likely it might be the same person given no other Remakel names (other than Marion’s name change) have been located from all across Australia.

I’m surprised the police didn’t find something on this for the inquest or that someone else hasn’t uncovered some other Remakel link in Australia like someone who has looked at some government databases and found something.
You would think the police would have done some search on it (looked at passports that came into the country and other government databases for a Remakel).
Fingers crossed the police find something in their new search.

I am unsure if the Le Courier numbers just go through to an answer machine having not used a dating site before. It would be interesting to find out how placing an advert works but may have changed over the years. Is Le Courier even still in publication.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

A little while back I posted the marriage certificate of a couple married at Weybridge Registry Office on the 7 July 1997 a short distance from Heathrow. The bride was named Jungblut the only lady of that name I can find in the entire UK database of marriages. Jungblut was someone’s mothers maiden name.

The groom in that marriage was named Engelken and is shown on the marriage certificate as a psychologist. Just had another listen to Episode 11 of the podcast and the conversation with his ex-wife. She says at the start of that conversation that her ex-husband was a trained psychologist.

Just saying.

 

[JLZ]

Yes I have often wondered whether Marion placed the advert too but I can’t work out a reason why she would. Plus there was a phone number associated with the ad so why would she do that and have some other women call her, doesn’t make sense.

(snipped)
I wondered . . . if the newspaper was trying to get in to this type of advertising and placed those two ads to set the tone on the type of clientele. Like agony or household advice columns, often the first reader question is a fake, there's a couple of questions I recognize which turn up every decade or so.

 

[sunnynz]

A little while back I posted the marriage certificate of a couple married at Weybridge Registry Office on the 7 July 1997 a short distance from Heathrow. The bride was named Jungblut the only lady of that name I can find in the entire UK database of marriages. Jungblut was someone’s mothers maiden name.

The groom in that marriage was named Engelken and is shown on the marriage certificate as a psychologist. Just had another listen to Episode 11 of the podcast and the conversation with his ex-wife. She says at the start of that conversation that her ex-husband was a trained psychologist.

Just saying.

Who knows if it’s of any significance but I think you should send what you found to TLV tip line. I think they have an email address or you could message the Facebook page?