Australia Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, Jun 1997

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A few more musings:

I have won two excellence in teaching awards. No one in my family came to the presentations. It just wasn't a big thing- I went with colleagues.

Congratulations Mel1303! That makes sense Marion probably did the same. I still think it's a bit unusual she didnt say anything about it to Sally (photos etc). It must have been fairly special to Marion because (according to her teacher-aide) she nominated herself.
Then again if she was arguing with TSS hierarchy about teaching methods (as the boyfriend thought) the award might have been to prove a point and perhaps it wasnt much of a talking point for her. Marion seems to have been highly selective about what she talked to Sally about, understandably of course as Sally was still fairly young at that point.

I think youre onto something with the au pairs.
 
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Spontaneous .... I have to say I’m not a fan of finding this pilot fellow. It was obviously a private secret crush .... yes, Marion told people she liked him, but that was because she thought she had a chance with him ... when it was revealed by the child that he was going to marry another, well, all thoughts and dreams had to be thrown away, and nothing eventuated. Devastatingly sad for Marion, unrequited love. Seems wrong to try and track him down, highly embarassing and invasive and serves no purpose at all. Just my opinion.
 
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More ramblings- in the information from the Salvation Army, it states that the security officer at the Colonial State bank in Ashmore had spoken to Marion and she spoke of starting a new life. She lived in Ashmore- this was her local branch. She wasn't a tourist at Byron here. If the security officer was asked "Are you sure it was her?", he may well have answered with "I have known her for a number of years- definitely her".

Also- the set up with Barclays bank, for her to be able to access funds while over seas- according to ep 13 it was never touched. So what did she do for funds during the time that we do know she was there?
Yes, that’s possible Mel. Makes you think it was Marion withdrawing the funds, I mean if it was an imposter who knew everything about Marion why would they go to a branch where the staff would probably recognise her, or be on friendly terms .... you would go to a branch up whoop whoop, wouldn’t you. Unless as mentioned before the villain was in bank. I can’t figure this out, wish I had a Mensa brain
 
  • #706
One more thing .... could the Monsieur Remakel ad merely have been placed by someone wanting to get Australian citizenship through marriage, so they could stay in country? Fake name of course.
 
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Spontaneous .... I have to say I’m not a fan of finding this pilot fellow. It was obviously a private secret crush .... yes, Marion told people she liked him, but that was because she thought she had a chance with him ... when it was revealed by the child that he was going to marry another, well, all thoughts and dreams had to be thrown away, and nothing eventuated. Devastatingly sad for Marion, unrequited love. Seems wrong to try and track him down, highly embarassing and invasive and serves no purpose at all. Just my opinion.

I agree with you Itsapuzzel. The Pilot may have had no idea Marion was keen on him and probably had no more contact with her than the other parents.

I think there has been lots of emphasis on the pilot because he's all we know about. The podcast has given so little attention to Marion's social life & life outside of teaching it makes the little insignificant things (like the pilot and possibly even the guy in the car) seem like a major big deal.
 
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More ramblings- in the information from the Salvation Army, it states that the security officer at the Colonial State bank in Ashmore had spoken to Marion and she spoke of starting a new life. She lived in Ashmore- this was her local branch. She wasn't a tourist at Byron here. If the security officer was asked "Are you sure it was her?", he may well have answered with "I have known her for a number of years- definitely her"
Yes good point! The securities officer would have been the person at the Bank that dealt with Marion's discharge (sale of her house). There would have been at least one meeting (sign the banks release documents) and then other points of contact to discuss disbursement of funds/update contact details. Perhaps this was when the conversation about starting a new life took place.
 
  • #709
She may very well be alive and living out her days under a different identity, all quite possible. No-one knows what the true story is, it's all speculation and there is no right or wrong theory at this point, Natural Sagacity, just theories and dum de da ....... I love that we all have differing opinions and thoughts, makes it interesting, and how very dull it would be if we all thought the same!!! Myself, h'mm, I have been able to come up with reasons why someone would change their name on their passport without telling anyone, oooh (I cite Itsapuzzle's top 10 name change list, thus to wit) hee ... but I can't really come up with ideas why someone who has chosen to disappear would take out $5000 a day for three and a half weeks from Byron Bay? Am open to ideas and would be very interested to hear any thoughts on the topic, completely interested :)
I recall Sally saying in an early episode Marion was interested in the Steiner education. There’s a Steiner school in Byron Bay and Luxembourg (as well as multiple other European & UK locations) but perhaps she came back with the hope of finding a job in teaching under a new name, perhaps wanted to start a new career without the scandal of her old school? The Steiner school in Byron is quite secluded in the beautiful hinterland. Doesn’t explain why she took out lump sums of cash but maybe felt safer walking around with $5000 rather than $20,000? I know I would.
 
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Spontaneous .... I have to say I’m not a fan of finding this pilot fellow. It was obviously a private secret crush .... yes, Marion told people she liked him, but that was because she thought she had a chance with him ... when it was revealed by the child that he was going to marry another, well, all thoughts and dreams had to be thrown away, and nothing eventuated. Devastatingly sad for Marion, unrequited love. Seems wrong to try and track him down, highly embarassing and invasive and serves no purpose at all. Just my opinion.

I understand where you’re coming from Puzzle with regard to the pilot’s privacy however he may be able to provide some insight into Marion’s dramas at the school and/or reasons for suddenly selling her house and heading OS. If the pilot was some kind of confidant for Marion shortly before all the upheaval he may have some relevant information.

I certainly agree any discussions with him shouldn’t form part of the podcast if he wants to protect his privacy but a phone call and quick chat from an investigating officer may be worthwhile. Alternatively if Sally did make contact herself it needn’t be publicly disclosed
 
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A few questions/thoughts.

How did Sally's friend find out when Marions passport had re entered the country, if it was now Florabella's passport? With a different name? Would the friend have searched by passport number? If so, wouldn't the different name have caused confusion? When she changed her name on her passport, a new passport would have been issued, right? So would she have been able to use both documents? The older Marion Barter document, and the newer Florabella Remakel? How stringent were the checks then? Did she travel with her previous husband? Could there be Marion Brown, Marion Warren and/or Marion Wilson passports?

Garry Sheehan has confirmed that the passport never left Australia again. In the most recent podcast, there was discussion around the ability to travel between Australia and New Zealand at the time without a passport. Could the Florabella passport have left New Zealand?

Alison pointed out an error in the police statement- that it said that Sally was living in Byron Bay. Did everyone else hear it that way? I thought it was saying the Marion was living in Byron Bay. I sat up at that one- I thought it meant the police at the time had an address from the bank.

Early on in the podcast, it was stated that Marion withdrew money from the commonwealth bank in Byron and Burleigh Heads, and the Colonial State bank in Ashmore. So Sally has forgotten that it was the colonial bank she contacted, not the commonwealth, even when the podcast talked of a colonial state bank in Ashmore?

I really do think it was Marion who returned to Australia, or someone she was working with. After writing prolifically, she rings Sally and specifically says "you wont be hearing from me". The very next day, she returns. The timing is too cooincidental. Not receiving postcards/ calls was specifically set up to not ring alarmbells. It sounds like she had some kind of a plan. From what Sally has said, it sounds like Marion was in a bad place- anxious, very stressed. It was during this time of stress she changed her name. Some of the things that happened, like withdrawing $5000 a day, might seem like a bad plan to us, but who knows how it seemed to Marion? Stress can do pretty bad things to your thought processes. The letter that Marions father received from the Salvos stated that she had withdrawn the balance of her account from the colonial bank in Ashmore on Oct 15 1990 and spoke of starting a new life. The podcast made a big deal of the 1990 date- but I really think it was a typo. I think this because in the phone call to Jack Wilson, he was told to tell Sally to stop looking in Byron, and that she was cranky about the car. The car sale was current, not in 1990.

Glad to hear that the podcast confirmed that Garry Sheehan did travel to the Gold Coast, interviewing staff at TSS as well as people such as Lesley as part of his investigation. His failure to come back for a formal statement was duly made, but yet again further evidence of his investigation was shared.
Yes, Mel, I'd like to know how Marion's friend found the passport also, it does raise questions. If Marion has gone
all-out to re-enter the country with this new identity of Florabella Remakel, how was it found under the name of Marion Barter! Puzzling to say the least. Also, the name change wasn't discovered until 2011, if I understand correctly, so the police in 1997 didn't even have that bit of information to stack in favour of Marion staging her own disappearance. H'mm. Wonder what date the pre Florabella passport expired, just out of curiosity ....
 
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I understand where you’re coming from Puzzle with regard to the pilot’s privacy however he may be able to provide some insight into Marion’s dramas at the school and/or reasons for suddenly selling her house and heading OS. If the pilot was some kind of confidant for Marion shortly before all the upheaval he may have some relevant information.

I certainly agree any discussions with him shouldn’t form part of the podcast if he wants to protect his privacy but a phone call and quick chat from an investigating officer may be worthwhile. Alternatively if Sally did make contact herself it needn’t be publicly disclosed
Fair enough Cagney&Lacey, quite possible he may have something to share .... just the impression I got is she was just doing some child minding for him .... and it sounds like she quite liked him, however, if she didn't know he was dating someone, let alone going to marry them, they can't have been confiding too much to each other .... must have been quite a new situation I'm thinking. But good point, he may have something to share .... I think there's suspicion that he may have been the man in the car that night, but I really wouldn't think so from what I've heard. But who knows, hey, this case is about as clear as mud :)
 
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Brighton Journal 13th August 2019

Can you help find Marion Barter? - Brighton Journal

After 22 years, Marion’s case has been reopened in Australia. Now, Sally is hoping it will be reopened in the UK too.

“I would be so happy for the UK police, including Kent and Brighton to have my mum listed as missing and put on their missing person’s registry there. I am hoping they will be able to run my DNA against any Jane Doe’s in the UK once the NSW police send over a request”, Sally told the Brighton Journal. Sally is also hoping to receive help from the Luxembourg police.

However, a representative from the Sussex Police Force said there are currently no plans to reopen the investigation. “If the Australian authorities want to know anything, they will be in touch,” a spokesperson said.

In the meantime, Brighton locals can help search for Marion. Sally is appealing for people who might have information about visitors to Brighton in the summer of 1997.

One of the last traces of Marion is a postcard she sent from Brighton. “My mum visited this quaint little shop on her visit to Brighton and bought a postcard, which she sent to her aunts,” Sally said.
 
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Kentoline 13th August 2019


Kent towns could help solve mystery of missing mum

Our top story on the KM Podcast today is about the ongoing mystery of a mum's disappearance more than 20 years ago.

Marion Barter left her family in Australia in 1997, telling them she was going on holiday to England for a year.

She is known to have visited Tonbridge and stay in Tunbridge Wells - but after that, she vanished.
 
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Has anyone verified that the passport she returned with was an Australian passport? There was mention of her coming over on a visa—which makes no sense. Although, I don’t know how she could have possibly gotten a passport for another country.
 
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Sally said on the podcast that Marion didn't have rights to another passport - no parents/grandparents born outside Australia.
 
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Sally said on the podcast that Marion didn't have rights to another passport - no parents/grandparents born outside Australia.
If she married a foreigner, would that give her a right to another passport?
 
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If she married a foreigner, would that give her a right to another passport?

Could someone with an Australian passport even get a visa to travel to Australia? That doesn't make sense.
 
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Could someone with an Australian passport even get a visa to travel to Australia? That doesn't make sense.
I don't think it was a visa to come back in, I think it was an incoming customs declaration.
 
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