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I might be missing something here but I can't see the name FD only an S David using the CBE link?
Hmmm link doesn't seem to work
haha not exactly , is that the time he said his father was sick ? So Marias brother died in 1972 as well .. Didnt Desire David die in 1972 ?
But no i was looking at a Tree of Ric Wouters who died in 1916 with no apparent issue ...but his was born Hendrik Emil WOUTERS who was married to "Nel " ..
Just perusing
Lezen in de kunst: Nel
I haven't been able to follow through on "Nels " second marriage in Belgium to a doctor but I am assuming Mishy went down this rabbit hole for a link to this Ric Wouters re A Wouters and Willy Wouters .
so i thought i would post anyway , also i am still wondering about this if anyone found any connection on the Coppenolle line ?
This conversation came up many threads ago and it has been bugging me every now and then ..Most likely nothing but the Tamborine QLD seems like synchronicity considering ye ole passy too ...eeek ...i just have to get this out of my system because we havent found the Blum n Reid connection have we ?
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I may be going off thread but I was looking at the NAA site for the Blum surname and came across an entry fro Maria Katharina READ (nee Blum). She arrived in Australia in January 1952 relocated soon after to Mount Tamborine. Could this be a relative of our man of many names as the surnames Blum, Read or Reid and Mount Tamborine have been mentioned earlier. The place at Tamborine "Yurnga" is still there, link is at https://agreatertown.com/australia_un/4br_house_vacation_rental_in_mount_tambourine_qld_0002668082
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i have been logged out of the site and i tried to refresh but before i did i noted this name on the Copponolle line re WW mother/aunt and going back to 1922 there was a Maria Katharina but not Reid or Blum and as someone else said they migrated to the US .
So who is THIS Maria katharina READ nee Blum who came to Australia in 1952 and moved to QLD ?
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Yes! And I noted that RB completely avoided answering AC's question about when he sold the Tamborine property. He said it was on two titles and couldn't remember.
I was a late joiner to the forum and I started my spreadsheet with a helpful text list posted by @Peralta (Thank YOU!) which I converted from text to table format (with columns for Year, month, day, event, commentary). I then Used the NAA files (as the documentary evidence - not hearsay) to add rows and columns to the timeline. I hav then added any information found by myself or others to this timeline. it's not a "spreadsheet" as such but gives a really good idea of the timeline.
Wow! Amazing find. This would be right before he gets on the Chusan I believe.
wwwhahhaooo
@F.Knab you are onto it.
I think between the 3 or 4 of you posting these up, you have solved the mystery of his financial dealings and although we all probably knew it was going to be big, I will speak for myself here and say but NOT this BIG!
NO wonder AC asked DdeH about all the $$$$$MMMM!
And no wonder they lied under oath!
Trying to save a mountain while we were looking at the trees.
What really gets in my claw is that they bled the system dry with taking handouts from the Australian Government for 40 years, and even when given the opportunity to tell the truth, they decide their "own moral values" far outweigh ANY of the behaviour they have undertaken!
I would be beyond embarrassed to have either of them as my family. I hope the both of them are put away for life and are made to pay restitution to those families they have destroyed.
@F.Knab you are onto it.
I think between the 3 or 4 of you posting these up, you have solved the mystery of his financial dealings and although we all probably knew it was going to be big, I will speak for myself here and say but NOT this BIG!
NO wonder AC asked DdeH about all the $$$$$MMMM!
And no wonder they lied under oath!
Trying to save a mountain while we were looking at the trees. What really gets in my claw is that they bled the system dry with taking handouts from the Australian Government for 40 years, and even when given the opportunity to tell the truth, they decide their "own moral values" far outweigh ANY of the behaviour they have undertaken!
I would be beyond embarrassed to have either of them as my family. I hope the both of them are put away for life and are made to pay restitution to those families they have destroyed.
yes that is him
From the NAA files it seems like AU (at least not by early 1980s) suspected Freddy David was alias for WW (although there is lots of other known alias by that time). The NAA notes mention no evidence of WW entering AU between 1970 & 1974. Curious why you think there is another passport during that time (sorry if you explained before. Hard to keep up)?
1971 - well we know what that date brings!
He uses companies as covers to bring financials in and out of the country.
No doubt now that this is why he was coming in with IK.
And this is the conversation of the Financial Information -
75,000,000.00 Belgian Francs = 2,899,747.65 Australian Dollars!!!
Great sum up @mishy66!Oh I just love all of this @Eyespywithmylittleeye ! And absolutely it could be that old mate used DCOD "Don Juan' as a Mentor or as a guide after studying his life in later years. I agree completely and it really is the most logical and balanced outlook on it all. It would make it all the more viable to believe.
BUT for me personally, I don't believe that is what old mate did.
I am still going with it all as I am rather enjoying reading all the history of things.
And as this isn't a 'win a pony' at the end game for who was right or wrong but more to help eliminate any semblance of a theory /idea/hypothesis then that is what keeps me going. I take Sally's lead of exploring every avenue until it is a dead end. And that dead end might just be around the corner for me hahahaa!
I would be VERY surprised to find any birth certs on either AW or DCOD (if they are two different people) because of various factors - there is ZIP to go on in regard to AW - that very reasoning has kept me going with it - that is VERY odd. Even though there were wars, displacements of people, relatives of said people, you can usually find something, but there is nothing on him - not even on that EXTENSIVE Gen Tree that person did on over 80 000 people! .
AND...as you said "proper proof of birth certificate with Don Juan as the father"... OR for that matter proof of a birth certificate with AW and MC !.... of any male children is not to be found! ( at this point in time)
And for DCOD, he got caught using that name yes, he has a birth and death notice in that name yes, and after the 1934 trial in France, there is not one shred of evidence I have found this far that he was even alive until his death notice pops up! ( Thanks to you
If he is really AW and has changed his name to such then there is a plausible reason in doing so and I am up that path at the moment!
LIKE WHY after the trial in 1934, he has no footprint? ( or not one that I have found so far!)
Too many 'coincidences' for me to throw DCOD to the curb just yet.
Like these - which can be swept away with the idea that RB just read stories about him for sure;
Wounded war hero
Placed advertisements to find woman
Fraud
Womaniser
Professional Dancer / gigolo
Flitting all over Europe - especially Amsterdam France & Germany
Accomplices who helped choose victims – (MOO with RB)
Passing himself off as a member of a rich noble family
Claimed disabled to work – living off the riches of the women
etc etc etc
So I started here with the idea that RB father is DCOD ( 'don juan' ) name changed to "Andre Wouters" after the trial at some point and under THIS name AW, meets Maria C and have the affair.
RB claims to visit his family all the time ( we know he is mostly fleecing ) – but he hasn't spoken to his brother for 30 yrs, DdeH doesn't actually say WHO they stay with when they were there, only that it is family friends etc / his cousins / brothers ( in arms perhaps)
RB visits Amsterdam a lot - in fact the whole family spend time there
RB manages to get a German Passport – How does he do that?
RB christens his children in a Catholic Church in UK - WHY??? He has never shown any interest in being a Christian
( maybe they are both praying that the kids get a decent job when they grow up)
And that then started a flood gate that I cant let go of just yet!
But it is all starting to make sense with RB and WHY he choses his aliases.
And you and centred and kittens and chicken have helped me no end!
Even if it all goes to sh** and the dead end, it has been veerrryyyyy interesting!
I'm with you on the follow a lead until it dies and then follow another one!
Just a couple of comments:
- At inquest RB says that in 1951 he leaves orphanage and is reconnected with Maria Copernolle because MC marries Abel Florent Wouters and he went to Germany because "Andre Wouters was in the Army and was based in “occupied” Germany". This is a bit confusing (like everything he says) as the war over by this stage in 1951 so what does he mean by occupied "Germany"? also Germany wasn't occupied it was the other way around - Belgium, Netherlands and France were occupied by Germany? Does he mean AW was based in the part of Germany liberated after the war? who knows?
- My interpretation of the passport was he "apparently" lost his Australian passport (AGAIN and lost passport - he loses his Belgian passport in 1970!) and applied for a replacement Australian passport in Bonn in Germany. So IMO it's not a German passport as such just Oz one issued in Germany?
wwwhahhaooo
@F.Knab you are onto it.
I think between the 3 or 4 of you posting these up, you have solved the mystery of his financial dealings and although we all probably knew it was going to be big, I will speak for myself here and say but NOT this BIG!
NO wonder AC asked DdeH about all the $$$$$MMMM!
And no wonder they lied under oath!
What really gets in my claw is that they bled the system dry with taking handouts from the Australian Government for 40 years, and even when given the opportunity to tell the truth, they decide their "own moral values" far outweigh ANY of the behaviour they have undertaken!
I would be beyond embarrassed to have either of them as my family. I hope the both of them are put away for life and are made to pay restitution to those families they have destroyed.
I am trying to catch up ...Are these different to all the links we found re business awhile ago Mishy ? Please explain LOL
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1971-12-09 sentenced to 4 years prison for fraud, forgery, confidence tricks, giving false identity
1974 21 May – WW discharged from prison ( inquest RB claims he arrived in Aus for 3rd time in May)
1974-1976 – Immigration suspects WW arrived in Aus but no records found
How has he suddenly turned up in Aust to marry DW?
20 Feb 1976 – FDdH marries DW
23 Feb 1976 - applies for citizenship – telling authorities his old passport is lost - so how did he get in?
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