Australia Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, June 1997 #12

[Brown Alleycat]

Agree 100%
I don’t believe he’s part of some world wide drug ring at all. But I may be proven wrong. All I hope is finding out what happened to Marion and some justice for the people he has ripped off.

Who knows. I don't believe they will unearth half of what Mr AKA has been involved in or indeed what his real name is (unless they do some DNA testing. There are so many facets to this story. I think we all hope they find what happened to MB and he pays the price for what he has done illegally and immorally in Australia.

 

[KiwiNZ]

Who knows. I don't believe they will unearth half of what Mr AKA has been involved in or indeed what his real name is (unless they do some DNA testing. There are so many facets to this story. I think we all hope they find what happened to MB and he pays the price for what he has done illegally and immorally in Australia.

I am hoping they have asked his brother (DD) who RB actually is.

If I were one of his children I would be doing an ancestry DNA test right about now lol

Really hoping that Sally gets some answers

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

I am hoping they have asked his brother (DD) who RB actually is.

If I were one of his children I would be doing an ancestry DNA test right about now lol

Really hoping that Sally gets some answers

Yes DD.. I hope so too

if I was one of the kids I’d be so shell shocked I doubt I’d be speaking to him

 

[BonnieB]

I'm still in two minds about DdH though. The young girl from a good family smitten by a "bad" boy cooling his heels in a French prison. How much did she know over the years? She was obviously a devoted mother to her children but was she also a party to his frauds, forgeries and scams? IMO, it would be impossible for her to be deceived for 40 years! Was she a player in the disappearance of MB?

 

[Estelle]

I'm still in two minds about DdH though. The young girl from a good family smitten by a "bad" boy cooling his heels in a French prison. How much did she know over the years? She was obviously a devoted mother to her children but was she also a party to his frauds, forgeries and scams? IMO, it would be impossible for her to be deceived for 40 years! Was she a player in the disappearance of MB?

My assessment of DdH from the Inquest is that she is also "a party to his frauds, forgeries and scams".

 

[Jay_Tec]

Agree 100%
This isnt just about a little wonka.
This is about a huge organisation IMO also

Really? Do some people think this is about some type of mafia style organised crime ?
I guess if people are able to obtain false documents for themselves and also have a market for stolen documents, they are linked into a criminal underworld. That then goes more towards drugs trafficking and supply as well as shifting around 'hot' items of value such as jewels and artwork.

 

[Jay_Tec]

I'm still in two minds about DdH though. The young girl from a good family smitten by a "bad" boy cooling his heels in a French prison. How much did she know over the years? She was obviously a devoted mother to her children but was she also a party to his frauds, forgeries and scams? IMO, it would be impossible for her to be deceived for 40 years! Was she a player in the disappearance of MB?

Some people don't care at all about their husbands and see them as a minor inconvenience in the grand scheme of running a home and raising their children. Who knows?

However, my personal belief is she impersonated Marion in the defunding the bank account.

 

[Meligator]

I'm still in two minds about DdH though. The young girl from a good family smitten by a "bad" boy cooling his heels in a French prison. How much did she know over the years? She was obviously a devoted mother to her children but was she also a party to his frauds, forgeries and scams? IMO, it would be impossible for her to be deceived for 40 years! Was she a player in the disappearance of MB?

I’m torn on this as well. He is a masterful conman. From an outsider perspective it seems impossible that she could be ignorant of his crimes. But the reality is that many spouses lead double lives, and are able to keep their spouse in the dark. To me, having a true partner in crime, requires a level of trust and relationship that I don’t see him capable of having. I’m leaning towards her having suspicions, but accepting the benefits (money/keeping the family together), of turning a blind eye.

 

[Meligator]

I wonder how RB acquired a drivers license in name FNR. He would have to have shown some documentation. Did he create a fake birth certificate? Steal real documents? He definitely seems to have access to fake/doctored documents. I’ve wondered if he created these himself or if he just knew where to get them.

 

[Estelle]

I wonder how RB acquired a drivers license in name FNR. He would have to have shown some documentation. Did he create a fake birth certificate? Steal real documents? He definitely seems to have access to fake/doctored documents. I’ve wondered if he created these himself or if he just knew where to get them.

IIRC I thought that RB said at the Inquest that firstly he got an International Driver's Licence in the name of FNR while overseas. I wonder if he found a way to talk RTA into converting that to an Australian Driver's Licence?

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

IIRC I thought that RB said at the Inquest that firstly he got an International Driver's Licence in the name of FNR while overseas. I wonder if he found a way to talk RTA into converting that to an Australian Driver's Licence?

Maybe he got the international first, maybe a bank account or some other form of ID and then applied for licence here?

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

I’m torn on this as well. He is a masterful conman. From an outsider perspective it seems impossible that she could be ignorant of his crimes. But the reality is that many spouses lead double lives, and are able to keep their spouse in the dark. To me, having a true partner in crime, requires a level of trust and relationship that I don’t see him capable of having. I’m leaning towards her having suspicions, but accepting the benefits (money/keeping the family together), of turning a blind eye.

Yep I’ve got a foot in both scenarios.. either ignored because he’s the narcissist and she knows not to ask about business. And keeps her head in the sand and quietly carries on with family duties.
Or she knows exactly who he is and exactly what he does and what he’s done.

She knew his past and that didn’t stop her from marrying him.

IMO she certainly knows a lot more than she revealed at inquest. Too many weird responses that ‘felt’ like lies.

JMO

 

[ruby925]

Maybe he got the international first, maybe a bank account or some other form of ID and then applied for licence here?

I had thought he had stolen the real FNR's international driving license and from that he was able to get a QLD license. Now not sure that is correct.

 

[Estelle]

How do I get an international driver's license in Luxembourg?

Obtaining an international driving licence

1. a valid driving licence issued by an EU or an EEA Member State;
2. a certificate of residence in Luxembourg, which can be obtained from the communal administration at the applicant's place of residence;
3. a recent passport-size ID photo.

 

[Estelle]

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• You may use the links provided under 'Office Locations & Contacts' section to get in touch with your relevant Australian road agency to check if your license is eligible for conversion. You may also use the links to check which documents you will need to present or submit and applicable fees.

Eligibility
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• Guernsey
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• Isle of Man (for licences first issued on or after 1 April 1991)
• Italy
• Japan
• Jersey
• Luxembourg

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[Meligator]

Thanks. I guess what I’m most curious about is if he is using stolen documents or fabricated documents. Not that it matters, but fabricated would suggest an accomplice (unless he is skilled in altering documents himself).

 

[Estelle]

Thanks. I guess what I’m most curious about is if he is using stolen documents or fabricated documents. Not that it matters, but fabricated would suggest an accomplice (unless he is skilled in altering documents himself).

Yes I think we would all like to know if he fabricates his documents himself.

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[Jay_Tec]

I wonder how RB acquired a drivers license in name FNR. He would have to have shown some documentation. Did he create a fake birth certificate? Steal real documents? He definitely seems to have access to fake/doctored documents. I’ve wondered if he created these himself or if he just knew where to get them.

I've been wondering this - that surely the most likely link between 'the real' FNR, Luxembourg and M.Wonky is that Real FNR had his documents / wallet stolen at some point many many years ago. It would be fascinating to know!

 

[Jay_Tec]

Yes I think we would all like to know if he fabricates his documents himself.

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I think his conviction for a metal stamp (the type used for embossing / approved stationery) plus the fact that he must mimic handwriting or at least signatures on a regular basis means there's a likelihood he could and has forged official documents.

 

[BabeBlues]

I wonder how RB acquired a drivers license in name FNR. He would have to have shown some documentation. Did he create a fake birth certificate? Steal real documents? He definitely seems to have access to fake/doctored documents. I’ve wondered if he created these himself or if he just knew where to get them.

He also had a licence in the name Chaim Frederic David DeHedervary in 1985 according to the NAA files, he obviously knows how to create or obtain false documents @Estelle @Jay_Tec @ruby925 @Eyespywithmylittleeye this might not have been too difficult prior to photo licences but I am not sure when photo licence ID first came into use in Australia