Australia Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, June 1997 #12

[TootsieFootsie]

It's amazing how many moments in history where he played a part and was injured.

Found where RB talks about working in the cafe for the first time, it was after the Vietnam War demonstration where he was injured while filming it, allegedly, so he went and worked in coffee lounge after that, around '74 - will see if I can find a '75 Yellow Pages through the library, such is my obsession, good grief Charlie Brown.

 

[BonnieB]

Found where RB talks about working in the cafe for the first time, it was after the Vietnam War demonstration where he was injured while filming it, allegedly, so he went and worked in coffee lounge after that, around '74 - will see if I can find a '75 Yellow Pages through the library, such is my obsession, good grief Charlie Brown.
Found this old Sydney phone book for 1960 - don't know how long they were running cafe for though.
November 1960
And off topic, found these old NSW phone books, 1926 to 1954, all online to look through
(November 1954)

I found a Moccador Coffee & Tea Lounge at 61 Market Street in the 1950's.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I was thinking that people sell all kinds of things on Ebay so I had a look and it seems that old telephone dirctories are no exception.
The going price seems to be between $20 and $30.

 

[mishy66]

I found a Moccador Coffee & Tea Lounge at 61 Market Street in the 1950's.

1959 Sydney Morning Herald

 

[mishy66]

SMH - 1971

Love the auctioneers name....fitting for this case

 

[BonnieB]

SMH - 1971

Love the auctioneers name....fitting for this case

Lol. Yes, apparently they (whoever "they" are) owned two coffee shops, one in Elizabeth St and the one in Market St, which seems to be in the right general area described by WW. I found some reports of 'sus' business going on at the Market St shop, overcharging, racial descrimination and some questionable business dealings but they all seemed to date from the 50's. Perhaps it too, was sold and re-named.

 

[KiwiNZ]

Found where RB talks about working in the cafe for the first time, it was after the Vietnam War demonstration where he was injured while filming it, allegedly, so he went and worked in coffee lounge after that, around '74 - will see if I can find a '75 Yellow Pages through the library, such is my obsession, good grief Charlie Brown.
Found this old Sydney phone book for 1960 - don't know how long they were running cafe for though.
November 1960
And off topic, found these old NSW phone books, 1926 to 1954, all online to look through
(November 1954)

sorry I put you on the wrong track !!! - yes 1976 he worked for her parents - Inquest Day 5 @ 2.49

 

[BabeBlues]

I too, was obsessed with finding that damn coffee shop. There were a couple of clues in his ramblings.
1. He said he'd go to the news stand on the corner of Pitt & Market during his break.
2. The 'entrance' to the coffee shop was off Market St. which could mean it was in an arcade or lane way.
3. He claimed the owner of Le Courrier Australien came to the shop regularly. The office of that newspaper was in Kent St, about 4 city blocks away from Pitt St. Quite a stroll for a cup of coffee!
I gave up in the end.

I found this fairly extensive list of historical coffee shops, tearooms and cafes in Sydney some dating back to the 1800's and with a fair bit of history going into the 70's and some into the 90's. There is nothing here that piqued my interest but some other WS's may be able to delve further in @BonnieB @Itsapuzzle
Restaurants and Cafes | The Dictionary of Sydney

There is also Market Row although it doesn't directly connect to Market St
Market Row | The Dictionary of Sydney

Rowe Street was a popular place for tearooms and coffee in the 50's & 60's
Rowe Street | The Dictionary of Sydney

 

[Nnbee]

I wonder if they are still going to release a podcast before the inquest resumes? Maybe they don't want to release any information incase certain people listen ?

 

[mishy66]

I wonder if they are still going to release a podcast before the inquest resumes? Maybe they don't want to release any information incase certain people listen ?

I think the same.

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

I think the same.

I don’t think they would. We have heard all recaps from last round of inquest and if something outside of that IMO they wouldn’t want to jeopardise the case.

 

[mishy66]

sorry I put you on the wrong track !!! - yes 1976 he worked for her parents - Inquest Day 5 @ 2.49

gee he must be a wizard in the kitchen!

He is back in the country under who knows what name by '76
Changing his name to deH by Feb '76
Marrying the girl of his dreams and applying for citizenship all in the same month
He says he is a photographer on his application form but works in cafe
By July '76 they are OS and he is convicted for crimes....

He hasn't worked a day in his life except crimes IMO
I can't see him picking up a T Towel or flipping an egg in some cafe, serving people.

More like he is delivering meat to the cafes around Sydney.....IMO

 

[mishy66]

I don’t think they would. We have heard all recaps from last round of inquest and if something outside of that IMO they wouldn’t want to jeopardise the case.

Yes that is what I mean. "Maybe they don't want to release any information incase certain people listen ?"

 

[Nnbee]

Allison Sandy tweeted there would be a new episode before the inquest resumes though. I wonder what the topic would be?

 

[BonnieB]

The Moccador Coffee Lounge 61 Market St was owned by Edgar Paul Henry Brockner, an Estonian who immigrated here with his wife, Mary and children.
In January 1954 the Moccador company was voluntarily wound up and he and Mary divorced the same year.
Brockner lived in Kambala Rd Bellevue Hill and later in 75 Beresford St Rose Bay with his 2nd wife. In 1963 he is listed in the electoral roll as a company director and his wife as a proprietress.
I couldn't find any reference to the Moccador business being sold in 1954 but it does seem to be in the right area for our mysterious coffee lounge. @Itsapuzzle

 

[car54]

I found this fairly extensive list of historical coffee shops, tearooms and cafes in Sydney some dating back to the 1800's and with a fair bit of history going into the 70's and some into the 90's. There is nothing here that piqued my interest but some other WS's may be able to delve further in @BonnieB @Itsapuzzle
Restaurants and Cafes | The Dictionary of Sydney

There is also Market Row although it doesn't directly connect to Market St
Market Row | The Dictionary of Sydney

Rowe Street was a popular place for tearooms and coffee in the 50's & 60's
Rowe Street | The Dictionary of Sydney

 

[Itsapuzzle]

I too, was obsessed with finding that damn coffee shop. There were a couple of clues in his ramblings.
1. He said he'd go to the news stand on the corner of Pitt & Market during his break.
2. The 'entrance' to the coffee shop was off Market St. which could mean it was in an arcade or lane way.
3. He claimed the owner of Le Courrier Australien came to the shop regularly. The office of that newspaper was in Kent St, about 4 city blocks away from Pitt St. Quite a stroll for a cup of coffee!
I gave up in the end.

Ah, it's looking like it was around the corner of Kent and Market Street - getting closer - the 396 Kent Street of Le Courrier is right near the corner of Market. The newspaper stand in Pitt Street was only a short walk. My obsession continues .........

 

[BabeBlues]

I too, was obsessed with finding that damn coffee shop. There were a couple of clues in his ramblings.
1. He said he'd go to the news stand on the corner of Pitt & Market during his break.
2. The 'entrance' to the coffee shop was off Market St. which could mean it was in an arcade or lane way.
3. He claimed the owner of Le Courrier Australien came to the shop regularly. The office of that newspaper was in Kent St, about 4 city blocks away from Pitt St. Quite a stroll for a cup of coffee!
I gave up in the end.

I found this fairly extensive list of historical coffee shops, tearooms and cafes in Sydney some dating back to the 1800's and with a fair bit of history going into the 70's and some into the 90's. There is nothing here that piqued my interest but some other WS's may be able to delve further in @BonnieB @Itsapuzzle
Restaurants and Cafes | The Dictionary of Sydney

There is also Market Row although it doesn't directly connect to Market St
Market Row | The Dictionary of Sydney

Rowe Street was a popular place for tearooms and coffee in the 50's & 60's
Rowe Street | The Dictionary of Sydney
There's a 'Ye Olde Crusty Cellar" hahaha
Ye Olde Crusty Cellar | The Dictionary of Sydney

 

[BabeBlues]

This is a long shot....is there a Helen Walker anywhere in the relevant W family tree? 49 Market Street, Sydney. Use of Room 21 3rd floor as a tea & coffee lounge. Helen Walker. | City of Sydney Archives (nsw.gov.au)

This is now the QT, not sure what level this is on? How stunning!
Parlour Cucina | QT Sydney (qthotels.com)

 

[BonnieB]

Ah, it's looking like it was around the corner of Kent and Market Street - getting closer - the 396 Kent Street of Le Courrier is right near the corner of Market. The newspaper stand in Pitt Street was only a short walk. My obsession continues .........

I also looked at the Shelbourne Hotel on the corner of Market and Sussex. Apparently the ground floor was converted to a restaurant at one time, I think in the 70's.