Australia Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, June 1997 #12

[mishy66]

Still reading about all the 'orphans' in Belgium around the time of WW2. It was estimated that only 50% of Jews registered their religion in Belgium, in Holland it was 95% as registration happened before the war. Sadly, the survivor rates reflect the difference. So, trying to find RB might be impossible, he may not be of Jewish heritage anyway, lots of children had their names changed, they were moved around and there were so many in orphanages.
So is the consensus on here then that RB is the son of RC, but the name of the mother is unknown?. And that he possibly then went to live with his Aunt MC, who he believed was his mother?

My believe from all the research I have done and there is one other link to suggest but I am unable to post on here due to privacy laws.....

 

[hoodunnit]

Yes RC certainly was captured / reason on his documentation "secret information" so yep resistance fighter and when released started his life with his new wife and step daughter.
His address at the time stated ...... ? de Passy Froyennes.

I think I found this image on one of your posts @mishy66 ?

Robert C's address at the time he was arrested: Blandain Pr Hennegau, Place 21
and
His father lived Pr.w.o (?) Rue de Froyennes, Ramegnies-Chien (near rue de Froyennes?)

 

[mishy66]

I am wondering about the people he named on page 2 of that document who can vouch for him. I can't decipher the first name, someone living on the Rue de la Gare, Froyennes. Could that be the fiance (or connected) as RC may not have know her whereabouts/situation before being released?
Mishy referenced your pic, hope that's ok
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachments/a-2-jpg.337816/

My thoughts too @ruby925
His fiancée died just before liberation and I have tried searching for the names ( in various forms as it is really hard to decipher them) but so far I have hit a brick wall.

 

[mishy66]

@mishy66 the other address I find interesting is on the NAA files in 1980 when the AFP were trying to locate FdH and they have noted his address as 33 Rusbook (Rusbrook) St, Redland Bay. This is waterfront property that I believe in the late 70's early 80's would have been vacant land and not yet developed?? @Meligator shoulda held on to this land too
View digital copy (naa.gov.au) pages 64-66

15 May 1980 - NAA record has his address as 33 Rusbrook St, Redland Bay QLD

1 Aug 1980 - electoral roll has their address as 287 Military Road, Dover Heights, Sydney NSW.

Busy pensioners right!

 

[gymtonic]

My thoughts too @ruby925
His fiancée died just before liberation and I have tried searching for the names ( in various forms as it is really hard to decipher them) but so far I have hit a brick wall.

My translation attempts at the 3:
1 M. Pèlerin, Rue de la Gare, Froyennes (Eng. Mr Pilgrim?)

2 Vicomte Cossée de Maulde, Rameignes-Chin (Octave Cossée de Maulde who was Vicomte until 1947 and well known in the area obviously!)

3 Fontaine (fountain!) Rue de Paris, Froyenne! (no title or first name)

Personally, I think the chances are they are all made up (reasoning in brackets) . Seems to run in the family!

 

[mishy66]

So has this been posted before on Robert Coppenolle @mishy66 ? I did a search and couldn't find anything on the thread.
MONSIEUR ROBERT COPPENOLLE (CROIX) Chiffre d'affaires, résultat, bilans sur SOCIETE.COM - 783562655

Masonry and reinforced concrete category of business in Croix, outskirts of Lille, close to Belgian border.

I did see this in my searches but dismissed it - no idea why ( brain explosion by then I guess!)
But RC died @ 1963 from what I have found.

 

[mishy66]

Not sure if this has been seen before but if you go to page 34 there is a photo which may be of some interest and if it’s who I think it is this answers a few of my questions
https://www.hesperschoulen.lu/resources/pdf/Schoulbuet0809/Schoulbuet0809.pdf
https://www.hesperschoulen.lu/resources/pdf/Schoulbuet0809/Schoulbuet0809.pdf

Great Sleuthing @Lord Peter Flimsy !

 

[gymtonic]

Great Sleuthing @Lord Peter Flimsy !

Just a warning though...I think this was posted before and got deleted by the admin, when there were discussions about this person.

 

[mishy66]

I thought it was Pelerin (Pilgrim Eng.) because if you look at the third name on the list, they live at Rue de Paris and the P in Paris is the same as the initial at the start of this name. Also the same as the Ps on previous page.
But...maybe all three are made up as the 3rd seems to say Fontaine (fountain!) Rue de Paris, Froyenne!

I was thinking that 'Fontaine' may have been his Fiancée as it is his release paper and he may not have realised she was already dead.

I will search on the names you suggest and see what else I find.

 

[mishy66]

If it is any help Robert C was born 1916 in Boroughbridge, West Riding Yorkshire – Great Ouseburn
Ancestry Join
(see attachment)

This is why I believe the deH have a connection to the area.

Robert C mother Julie Foulon was from this area/ visiting this area, when Robert C was born here.
The only C sibling to be born outside of Europe.

Wonks (born 1936 ) states he goes to orphanage at ages 3 - RC would have been about 20 /21 yrs old when wonks was born.
RC in 1938 - Unmarried - ACCIDENT~ spinal fracture leg paralysis.
since then, atropia - leg paralysis
Invalid

After his release from Buchenwald
He married an Italian woman who already had 1 child to a previous marriage (she still lives in Tournai which is why I cant post more up) and the wife died in 2012
They lived in Froyennes.
RC died @1963

She is buried here: with RC named as her husband.
Begraafplaats van Froyennes - Wikipedia


Link to my previous post with all links.
Australia - Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, June 1997 #11

 

[mishy66]

Just a warning though...I think this was posted before and got deleted by the admin, when there were discussions about this person.

ok Thank you. I didn't know that nor have I not seen it before.

 

[gymtonic]

I did see this in my searches but dismissed it - no idea why ( brain explosion by then I guess!)
But RC died @ 1963 from what I have found.

It could be that the "company" (which in this case is an individual) was only wound up many years after his death? The reason I was interested is that I am still following the "mason" connection (long-shot on aliases Stein and Lazoney!) and somewhere else it was said that AKA's uncle was a stone mason...and this company category is masonry and reinforced concrete.

 

[gymtonic]

@mishy66 the other address I find interesting is on the NAA files in 1980 when the AFP were trying to locate FdH and they have noted his address as 33 Rusbook (Rusbrook) St, Redland Bay. This is waterfront property that I believe in the late 70's early 80's would have been vacant land and not yet developed?? @Meligator shoulda held on to this land too
View digital copy (naa.gov.au) pages 64-66

Yes, I thought that was interesting too as it explains (kinda) why they lost track of him in terms of the prosecution for fraudulent citizenship. Both addresses listed on his entry card and passport for this event were obviously dead end leads - vacant land at Tamborine and the Redland Bay address. The reason it is interesting is that there was a note on file for him to be stopped and to determine his whereabouts without alerting him to the fact. It would almost seem as though he knew there was an alert for him though as they got 2 addresses but both led nowhere. Of course if he was part of an OC network this might explain how he could dodge this. IMO MOO

 

[gymtonic]

I think I found this image on one of your posts @mishy66 ?

Robert C's address at the time he was arrested: Blandain Pr Hennegau, Place 21
and
His father lived Pr.w.o (?) Rue de Froyennes, Ramegnies-Chien (near rue de Froyennes?)

If anyone else is searching though, there is a typo on the doc as it should be Ramegnies-Chin (no dogs there LOL!)

 

[hoodunnit]

If anyone else is searching though, there is a typo on the doc as it should be Ramegnies-Chin (no dogs there LOL!)

Oops, thanks for putting that right for me

 

[Itsapuzzle]

If it is any help Robert C was born 1916 in Boroughbridge, West Riding Yorkshire – Great Ouseburn
Ancestry Join
(see attachment)

This is why I believe the deH have a connection to the area.

Robert C mother Julie Foulon was from this area/ visiting this area, when Robert C was born here.
The only C sibling to be born outside of Europe.

Wonks (born 1936 ) states he goes to orphanage at ages 3 - RC would have been about 20 /21 yrs old when wonks was born.
RC in 1938 - Unmarried - ACCIDENT~ spinal fracture leg paralysis.
since then, atropia - leg paralysis
Invalid

After his release from Buchenwald
He married an Italian woman who already had 1 child to a previous marriage (she still lives in Tournai which is why I cant post more up) and the wife died in 2012
They lived in Froyennes.
RC died @1963

She is buried here: with RC named as her husband.
Begraafplaats van Froyennes - Wikipedia


Link to my previous post with all links.
Australia - Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, June 1997 #11

RB says he was born in 1939, not '36 .... but who knows really - so orphanage would have been around 1942.

 

[BonnieB]

The WILLY DAVID COPPENOLLE timeline. Seems to all fit nicely together.

2011
WILLY DAVID COPPENOLLE (Aus passport 9, and CBA bank name change)
Q: Was his stepmother's death imminent??

2011 APR 13
Bank safety packet opened at Pacific Fair, Broadbeach in name of WILLY COPPENOLLE - closed 7/3/2016

2012
RB's stepmother died and is buried at Froyennes cemetery where she lived.
Q: Was there an inheritance from his father upon her death??

2012 MAR 29
RB's LAST return trip to Europe (using WILLY COPPENOLLE passport?)

2013 AUG 1
Bank safety BOX opened at Pacific Fair, Broadbeach in name of WILLY COPPENOLLE - closed 7/3/2016

 

[mishy66]

It could be that the "company" (which in this case is an individual) was only wound up many years after his death? The reason I was interested is that I am still following the "mason" connection (long-shot on aliases Stein and Lazoney!) and somewhere else it was said that AKA's uncle was a stone mason...and this company category is masonry and reinforced concrete.

Ahhh good one! That makes sense for sure.

 

[mishy66]

RB says he was born in 1939, not '36 .... but who knows really - so orphanage would have been around 1942.

Yes sorry that was a typo error on my part.

It should read 1939 sorry.
RC would have been 23.
I hate that you cant amend after a certain time

As he tells it he goes into the orphanage the same year Fredy is born...

 

[mishy66]

The WILLY DAVID COPPENOLLE timeline. Seems to all fit nicely together.

2011
WILLY DAVID COPPENOLLE (Aus passport 9, and CBA bank name change)
Q: Was his stepmother's death imminent??

2011 APR 13
Bank safety packet opened at Pacific Fair, Broadbeach in name of WILLY COPPENOLLE - closed 7/3/2016

2012
RB's stepmother died and is buried at Froyennes cemetery where she lived.
Q: Was there an inheritance from his father upon her death??

2012 MAR 29
RB's LAST return trip to Europe (using WILLY COPPENOLLE passport?)

2013 AUG 1
Bank safety BOX opened at Pacific Fair, Broadbeach in name of WILLY COPPENOLLE - closed 7/3/2016

It is all making sense isn't it. Retiring from his hidden OS family life - no more inheritances to be had.
Doesnt have a decent bone in his body!

The stepmother died at the alphonse marie home Tournai Nov 2012 - she had been there for some time I gather.