Australia Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, June 1997 #13

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Please take the following for what it is: my own imagination filling in the details of this case. I go out on a limb with my thoughts. Here is what I see in my mind:

Marion responds to an ad placed by a Mr. Remakel. RB notes her details and eventually he gets around to contacting her. He love-bombs her for weeks/months. Marion is swept up in romantic possibilities. Because RB is a nasty little AH, he causes Marion distress by way of her beloved profession. Then leans on her to make good with all their romantic plans because it is “you and me against the world.”

In a hurry Marion sells her house for less than she paid, walks away from her career position, (commits to the relationship by changing her name and passport-I believe she did this on her own without RB’s knowledge-the fact is this action led to finding RB and he is too devious to have allowed this breadcrumb trail).

RB sets up flights in tandem. They will never be connected to each other. Then the luggage storage trick at the airport, his usual m.o. He has her documents. He has control. Marion goes to the UK and waits for him, filling in the lonely hours with shopping, driving around a small area, and writing postcards.

But! Disaster for RB. He gets to the UK and discovers she has changed her name. The papers he possesses use the Barter name. He meant to transfer her Australian bank accounts to Europe under her Barter name. He considers using her new Remakel identity to get the money. It’s convenient, he has to admit. But very dangerous. He is too cautious to let this kind of unpredictable event slip him up.

RB feels extremely angry by this foolish woman and her silly romantic notions. In the UK his mask drops and he shows Marion that he is not to be trifled with. He is angry and frustrated but he sees a way it could work. He announces he is returning to Australia, with or without her. If she really loves him then she knows where he is. He leaves Marion behind but he has her documents.

Marion is utterly miserable and has to make yet another fast decision, without time to really think about what is happening to her. It’s all so overwhelming. She is also beginning to feel that she might have a bit of a mess with her closest and dearest relationships back in Australia. Yes, she will return to try to make things good with RB again. But she will have to deal with the problem of trying to explain to her family the process which she has undergone in the last few months. It’s all happened so fast, and she can barely explain it to herself. Truthfully, she feels confused, befuddled, lost at sea. It is kind of embarrassing. She usually lives her life carefully, pursuing her dreams but in an ordered progression.

She decides to follow RB back, because he has instilled in her an insecurity which can’t be ignored; her lifelong dream of taking The Orient Express can’t be enjoyed anymore and all of her plans of travelling were with him.

She is not quite ready to tell anyone what she is suffering. She instinctively knows that if she were to divulge her situation to someone close then her relationship with RB would effectively end. It just would. And he has impressed upon her that his affection is contingent on her discretion, that he is very private, etc. So being a decent person, Marion doesn’t want to betray him. Not yet.

On her way back to Australia, Marion makes contact with Sally. She doesn’t want to talk about her situation, she just wants to hear her daughter’s voice.

Marion makes her way down to Byron Bay, the nearest town to RB with decent accomodation. Here, they will work things out, she hopes. RB convinces Marion to withdraw cash, the maximum allowed every day.
But Marion discovers Diane. Diane, who has made her bed long ago and knows what she’s got. What a disgusting revelation for Marion. She is shocked and devastated.

Marion confronts RB. No more money for him, she says. Or: what have you done with the money I have already given to you?

He is knee-deep in illicit funds, yet too much is never enough. He can see the finish line and has other prospects he needs to get on to. There is also the question of her name change and new passport. It nags at him. A rare loose end. He has an encyclopaedic memory for details and he knows this one thing is going to haunt him if he doesn’t do something.

Marion loved her family, her friends, and her chosen profession. She wouldn’t leave them without explanation. I feel she was moving herself back to her family and eventually would have moved on from RB.

What happened to Marion?

And on a personal note I lived on the Gold Coast at the same time as Marion and wish I’d known her. I really want to see Justice done for Marion.

Were your story to be the case, what about if Marion even went to the family home to confront WW, and maybe Dianne?

There could have been a huge argument and domestic fight in the home. I wonder if the grounds of that house need to be searched? Maybe that's the 'thing' that ties WW and Dianne together all these years? A shared knowledge of something terrible.
 
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We are all pretty sure that the Switzerland "recuperating" in 1968 is a false timeline. The "horse accident" happened in 1960 (and this is documented in a medical report in the NAA files along with the details of injuries (tib/fib, noted completely healed and no deformities) and yet he is also claiming double skull fractures from it too!

I wouldnt say "pretty sure"o_O

I would say Darn positive!
It is all rubbish like everything else he says.
It just sits with all his other BS
 
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Indeed! Another of my speculations was whether the injuries are connected to the charge of involuntary Injury on 10 May 19966, which I researched and found this....Involuntary Injuries: What is this? Product liability and safety in Belgium: In the case of injury or death caused by a defective product, there is also a risk of criminal prosecution. Under Article 418 of the Criminal Code a person who causes harm by negligence, without intent to harm the person, can be guilty of involuntary manslaughter or injury.

I think the charge of involuntary injury relates to his car accident.

1965 FEB 12 Car accident in Kessel-Lo (near Brussels) The wives of both drivers were injured.

1965 APR 5 Charged at Tournai & Brussels with - Writing cheques without funds, larceny, false documents, various traffic offences, involuntary injuries and embezzlement. 20/6/66 Sentenced to 10 months gaol and 1300fr in fines. 5 year suspended sentence.

I have often theorized that his leg injuries could be related to a MV accident. He is however, in receipt of a Belgian pension (easily verified) from some incident or accident. (Maybe it's something he's too embarrassed to admit lol)
 
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Random curiosity. I don't understand why RB won't commit to saying when Freddy David passed .... "can't remember", doesn't know. It can't be that hard to remember ... it has picqued my curiosity. Why so resistant to commit to a date, year .... or did I miss it somewhere along the way?
 
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Random curiosity. I don't understand why RB won't commit to saying when Freddy David passed .... "can't remember", doesn't know. It can't be that hard to remember ... it has picqued my curiosity. Why so resistant to commit to a date, year .... or did I miss it somewhere along the way?

I believe he genuinely can't remember. His mother/aunt, his step father/uncle, his brother/cousin, brother-in-law - these people mean nothing to him, along with his children from previous marriages. He has no feelings as we know them, no empathy or sentimentality. He said as much himself, "that was then, this is now".
 
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I think the charge of involuntary injury relates to his car accident.

1965 FEB 12 Car accident in Kessel-Lo (near Brussels) The wives of both drivers were injured.

1965 APR 5 Charged at Tournai & Brussels with - Writing cheques without funds, larceny, false documents, various traffic offences, involuntary injuries and embezzlement. 20/6/66 Sentenced to 10 months gaol and 1300fr in fines. 5 year suspended sentence.

I have often theorized that his leg injuries could be related to a MV accident. He is however, in receipt of a Belgian pension (easily verified) from some incident or accident. (Maybe it's something he's too embarrassed to admit lol)
I don't have any information about a car accident in 1965, and the 5 April 1965 charge was for cheques without cover (the others you listed were for a range of different dates over a number of years) but.....
....Hmmm, your post got me thinking because I was following up on the Belgian Judicial system (I have no life!) and remember that AKA said all the early "crimes" were Police Tribunal and "they don't tell you!". Well...stay with me here...the Police Tribunal isn't specifically to do with police (or an internal gendarmerie system which is where my mind went) but is just the lowest of the Belgian Courts with criminal jurisdiction and deals with Traffic offences from minor parking to vehicular homicide. I went back to the list of crimes on his rap-sheet and the notations of which court. So all the traffic offences were dealt with at the P (Police Tribunal level), but the fraud, embezzlement, road tax, forgery, impersonation were dealt with at the C (Criminal Court/ Court of the first instance) level (this fits with a judicial jurisdiction description). The Involuntary Injury of 10 May 1966 is listed at the C. (Brussels) level too, which may suggest that it is not associated with a traffic accident? (since all traffic offences even homicide are at the Police Tribunal level).
This now makes the Involuntary Injuries charge even more intriguing to me!
 
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I don't have any information about a car accident in 1965, and the 5 April 1965 charge was for cheques without cover (the others you listed were for a range of different dates over a number of years) but.....
....Hmmm, your post got me thinking because I was following up on the Belgian Judicial system (I have no life!) and remember that AKA said all the early "crimes" were Police Tribunal and "they don't tell you!". Well...stay with me here...the Police Tribunal isn't specifically to do with police (or an internal gendarmerie system which is where my mind went) but is just the lowest of the Belgian Courts with criminal jurisdiction and deals with Traffic offences from minor parking to vehicular homicide. I went back to the list of crimes on his rap-sheet and the notations of which court. So all the traffic offences were dealt with at the P (Police Tribunal level), but the fraud, embezzlement, road tax, forgery, impersonation were dealt with at the C (Criminal Court/ Court of the first instance) level (this fits with a judicial jurisdiction description). The Involuntary Injury of 10 May 1966 is listed at the C. (Brussels) level too, which may suggest that it is not associated with a traffic accident? (since all traffic offences even homicide are at the Police Tribunal level).
This now makes the Involuntary Injuries charge even more intriguing to me!

"Injury or death caused by a defective product" the mind boggles!!
 
  • #1,068
"Injury or death caused by a defective product" the mind boggles!!
Oh, sorry I may have mislead you with the "defective product" bit as this was just an example of where this section of the criminal code can be applied and at the time I found it my mind was thinking of dodgy furniture! In a wider sense this comes under Article 418 of the Belgian Criminal Code: An individual who has caused harm due to a lack of prudence or precaution, without intent to harm the other person, is guilty of involuntary injury.

So of course yesterday, when he claimed never to have harmed anyone (I..NEVER, NEVER, NEVER etc).....well he was convicted of involuntary injuries which is causing harm.
 
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I remember something because I searched and found that V and B have the contract to supply dinnerware for the Orient Express and one of the V and B patterns was called Florabella. I couldn't get a strong connection that this specific pattern was used at that time or not.
I think Florabella came from a bushwalk close to where Marion lived in Lapstone NSW. Florabella Pass.
 
  • #1,070
Yup, that's nailed it, we are like twinnies! Until now, I couldn't get past the criminal pattern...if he was a petty crim (traffic offences, fraud, maybe IMO odd job man with OC links, to alleged romance scams etc) then why escalate it to murder and then back again to romance scam (GGB JO) when criminologists say escalation fixes the new pattern. But maybe MB was a lot closer in type to MC (school teacher, smart, football connection etc) and when it went wrong, he has "wiped it" and started the old pattern again? I don't know...this is all JMO and MOO. I want to know a lot more about evidence from O/S before fixing on this.

We really need TLV to get a forensic psychologist or criminologist onto this and really examine his pattern of offending against women to determine the most likely scenario that happened to Marion. I think we all have a good idea but a professional’s input would be so advantageous (let alone entertaining and interesting!) Also for a body language expert and/or paychologist to examine his evidence and language/body signals/way he responded to certain questions and the patterns therein in the inquest too. That would be enthralling.

Please take the following for what it is: my own imagination filling in the details of this case. I go out on a limb with my thoughts. Here is what I see in my mind:

Marion responds to an ad placed by a Mr. Remakel. RB notes her details and eventually he gets around to contacting her. He love-bombs her for weeks/months. Marion is swept up in romantic possibilities. Because RB is a nasty little AH, he causes Marion distress by way of her beloved profession. Then leans on her to make good with all their romantic plans because it is “you and me against the world.”

In a hurry Marion sells her house for less than she paid, walks away from her career position, (commits to the relationship by changing her name and passport-I believe she did this on her own without RB’s knowledge-the fact is this action led to finding RB and he is too devious to have allowed this breadcrumb trail).

RB sets up flights in tandem. They will never be connected to each other. Then the luggage storage trick at the airport, his usual m.o. He has her documents. He has control. Marion goes to the UK and waits for him, filling in the lonely hours with shopping, driving around a small area, and writing postcards.

But! Disaster for RB. He gets to the UK and discovers she has changed her name. The papers he possesses use the Barter name. He meant to transfer her Australian bank accounts to Europe under her Barter name. He considers using her new Remakel identity to get the money. It’s convenient, he has to admit. But very dangerous. He is too cautious to let this kind of unpredictable event slip him up.

RB feels extremely angry by this foolish woman and her silly romantic notions. In the UK his mask drops and he shows Marion that he is not to be trifled with. He is angry and frustrated but he sees a way it could work. He announces he is returning to Australia, with or without her. If she really loves him then she knows where he is. He leaves Marion behind but he has her documents.

Marion is utterly miserable and has to make yet another fast decision, without time to really think about what is happening to her. It’s all so overwhelming. She is also beginning to feel that she might have a bit of a mess with her closest and dearest relationships back in Australia. Yes, she will return to try to make things good with RB again. But she will have to deal with the problem of trying to explain to her family the process which she has undergone in the last few months. It’s all happened so fast, and she can barely explain it to herself. Truthfully, she feels confused, befuddled, lost at sea. It is kind of embarrassing. She usually lives her life carefully, pursuing her dreams but in an ordered progression.

She decides to follow RB back, because he has instilled in her an insecurity which can’t be ignored; her lifelong dream of taking The Orient Express can’t be enjoyed anymore and all of her plans of travelling were with him.

She is not quite ready to tell anyone what she is suffering. She instinctively knows that if she were to divulge her situation to someone close then her relationship with RB would effectively end. It just would. And he has impressed upon her that his affection is contingent on her discretion, that he is very private, etc. So being a decent person, Marion doesn’t want to betray him. Not yet.

On her way back to Australia, Marion makes contact with Sally. She doesn’t want to talk about her situation, she just wants to hear her daughter’s voice.

Marion makes her way down to Byron Bay, the nearest town to RB with decent accomodation. Here, they will work things out, she hopes. RB convinces Marion to withdraw cash, the maximum allowed every day.
But Marion discovers Diane. Diane, who has made her bed long ago and knows what she’s got. What a disgusting revelation for Marion. She is shocked and devastated.

Marion confronts RB. No more money for him, she says. Or: what have you done with the money I have already given to you?

He is knee-deep in illicit funds, yet too much is never enough. He can see the finish line and has other prospects he needs to get on to. There is also the question of her name change and new passport. It nags at him. A rare loose end. He has an encyclopaedic memory for details and he knows this one thing is going to haunt him if he doesn’t do something.

Marion loved her family, her friends, and her chosen profession. She wouldn’t leave them without explanation. I feel she was moving herself back to her family and eventually would have moved on from RB.

What happened to Marion?

And on a personal note I lived on the Gold Coast at the same time as Marion and wish I’d known her. I really want to see Justice done for Marion.

This is such a good potential scenario that seems closest to the truth of what happened IMO. So sad.
 
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I wouldnt say "pretty sure"o_O

I would say Darn positive!
It is all rubbish like everything else he says.
It just sits with all his other BS
No Dr ever would say "you need to go to a chalet in Switzerland for 2 days to recover! Did he write it in a script for him? Bloody bull sheeet.
 
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I find it curious that RB even remembers the name 'Villeroy & Boch' after 30+ years.

He was with MC in his Luxembourg years, so he presumably visited the factory in the eighties.

Most people, especially men, would not remember the name of a china company after a casual visit to a factory with a friend, unless they had a particular and ongoing interest in china.

I wonder then, could HE have named Marion Florabella?

I'm also fascinated by his passions, which seem to be coins, horses (racing?) and possibly china.
He also seems fluent in history and interior design (tapestries, furniture factory and art).

I don't know what this means... just trying to determine his lifestyle growing up... was his family wealthy? Was he educated in that environment? Or did he simply learn these things in order to infiltrate those communities and con...?
 
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I find it curious that RB even remembers the name 'Villeroy & Boch' after 30+ years.

He was with MC in his Luxembourg years, so he presumably visited the factory in the eighties.

Most people, especially men, would not remember the name of a china company after a casual visit to a factory with a friend, unless they had a particular and ongoing interest in china.

I wonder then, could HE have named Marion Florabella?

I'm also fascinated by his passions, which seem to be coins, horses (racing?) and possibly china.
He also seems fluent in history and interior design (tapestries, furniture factory and art).

I don't know what this means... just trying to determine his lifestyle growing up... was his family wealthy? Was he educated in that environment? Or did he simply learn these things in order to infiltrate those communities and con...?
For me the interest in horses could explain the money trail or lack of. I was thinking gambling of some sort so GeeGees fits. and remember DdH's slip of the tongue when asked how she thought AKA could afford the car...."we never had any big wins"

Which reminded me of his skill set I posted way back now...
Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, June 1997 #12
 
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For me the interest in horses could explain the money trail or lack of. I was thinking gambling of some sort so GeeGees fits. and remember DdH's slip of the tongue when asked how she thought AKA could afford the car...."we never had any big wins"

Which reminded me of his skill set I posted way back now...
Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, June 1997 #12

I too believe gambling on horses may play a part in his relentless pursuit of money. If so there should be a money trail or evidence of him gambling large sums
 
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The inquest repeated the similarity in initials FNR & FNMR. Not sure what the position was in 1997 but nowadays many bank cards don’t show a gender. Could Aka have obtained a bank card or cheque book showing just F N Remakel? What else could you get away with without a gender confirmation?
 
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Sorry to keep posting but having listened to the whole inquest there are so many things to question. I’m sure at one point he said he met Marion in Luxembourg instead of Switzerland. Did anyone else notice that? I so should keep notes when listening!
 
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Personally, I thing RB's insistence that he stored Marion's belongings has two purposes. Either they found evidence of her belongings associated with his family OR he is afraid they did.

AND to create an alternate culprit - that of the pilot she ran off with overseas.

When women disappear, statistics lean towards it being at the hands of their partner. So it's in RB's best interest to give the idea he was not her last lover. IMO.

I also noticed he is adamant that he never went to Brisbane. Which is coincidentally where Marion changed her name to FNMR.

And also that he constantly speaks about using the bus depot. Which is coincidentally where Marion was last seen.
There's too many coincidences to be coincidental...
 
  • #1,078
I think Florabella came from a bushwalk close to where Marion lived in Lapstone NSW. Florabella Pass.
I don’t because I think he called her that.

having heard his letters to MC I can certainly hear him calling MB my beautiful flower
 
  • #1,079
I also believe his injuries were the result of a RTA and nothing to do with being dragged by a horse. Somewhere in the inquest I think he made a comment that suggested road accident but I haven’t found it again yet. Perhaps at the 4th or 5th listening I’ll find it?!!
 
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I don’t because I think he called her that.

having heard his letters to MC I can certainly hear him calling MB my beautiful flower

After he said he went to the Villeroy & Boch factory with MC I’m fairly certain now the Florabella name came from this. So wish they had picked away at his obsession with MC at the inquest. It’s his Achilles heel.

Can’t wait to listen to the MC interview and JOs cousin. Aka said he only spoke to him by phone and not JO. Will be fascinating to find out the truth.
 
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