Australia Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, June 1997 #14

[dotr]

For decades, the bones were called exhibit UHR77/01. Now investigators know his name

There are 850 sets of unidentified human remains across Australia. Until now, there has been no national approach to compare missing persons cases against unidentified remains held in storage.

www.abc.net.au

May 31 2022​

''Families left in limbo​

Sally Leydon's mother Marion Barter has been missing for 25 years, but Ms Leydon has never stopped looking.

"Definitely it was my assumption that if a bone washed up on the beach or someone stumbled across some bones in the bush, that [police] would test it against missing persons," she says.''

Over the past three years, Ms Leydon's search for her mum has been the subject of a high-profile podcast The Lady Vanishes, which has led to a homicide investigation and a coronial inquest.

She is determined to leave no stone unturned.

"To sit there and think that my mum could be in one of those boxes, and I'm dredging myself through everything to find her, and she could have been sitting in a box for 25 years in a morgue — that's just horrifying for me," she says.

Marion Barter's case is featured in the ongoing podcast, The Lady Vanishes.(ABC News: Marc Smith)
It was a common assumption which Dr Ward encountered, not just among families, but also police officers and coroners – that found remains were being routinely tested and compared against missing persons nationally.

In reality, DNA testing capability varied from state to state, and a national database to search across borders, first introduced in 2015, was plagued by technical problems and rarely used.

Without that capability to routinely compare, it's highly likely that many of Australia's missing persons are among the 850 unidentified remains in storage.

"And that's where I saw the program; that's what we should have in this country, so we could guarantee the families that we had exhausted all of the forensic science options available to identify their missing loved one," Dr Ward says.''

 

[TootsieFootsie]

May 31 2022​

''Families left in limbo​

Thanks for this.
It says this story is available on Iview and on 7.30 tonight. On ABC.

For decades, the bones were called exhibit UHR77/01. Now investigators know his name

There are 850 sets of unidentified human remains across Australia. Until now, there has been no national approach to compare missing persons cases against unidentified remains held in storage.

www.abc.net.au

 

[BonnieB]

Is this the same Robert C in this attached news article from the Croydon Times in the UK on the 19 June 1948?

Now we have a matching pair. I don't think there's much doubt that it's the same Rob't C.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

Now we have a matching pair. I don't think there's much doubt that it's the same Rob't C.

Sorry if this has been mentioned before but why was Robert C born in England if he was a Belgian?

 

[mishy66]

Is this the same Robert C in this attached news article from the Croydon Times in the UK on the 19 June 1948?

Yes the one and same.

All thieves and scoundrels!

 

[mishy66]

Now we have a matching pair. I don't think there's much doubt that it's the same Rob't C.

opps sorry, double up !

 

[mishy66]

Sorry if this has been mentioned before but why was Robert C born in England if he was a Belgian?

Have been trying to find out why this is. Interestingly the area where he was born - Boroughbridge, West Riding Yorkshire - June 10 1916

His father fought in WW1 1914-1918 so maybe in the UK? Or the mother had family in the UK.

Maybe you can find out more from your side of the world @Lord Peter Flimsy - not that it helps to find Marion.
But tieing up loose ends can lead to new findings!

 

[mishy66]

Pretty sure it was Charles Coppenolle ( Marias father - WW1 decorated soldier) who was the invalid NOT Maria as stated by AKA.

Never believed his BS about Maria having her legs blown off whilst caring for 3 kids, remarrying a man 11 yrs younger than her, working in the family lounge business in the 80's, making her 70 yrs old.

During questioning about AKA moving to Luxembourg in 1981 to set up the lounge making business for his family AC asked him to define family. .... "Maria, Andre and my two brothers; they were all still alive then".

DIANNE deH says at inquest that RB was working for Andre and Maria’s lounge furniture business- in BELGIUM - 1980s

Crossed wires in that one

More like he was setting up his love nest with MC

 

[mishy66]

For decades, the bones were called exhibit UHR77/01. Now investigators know his name

There are 850 sets of unidentified human remains across Australia. Until now, there has been no national approach to compare missing persons cases against unidentified remains held in storage.

www.abc.net.au

May 31 2022​

''Families left in limbo​

Sally Leydon's mother Marion Barter has been missing for 25 years, but Ms Leydon has never stopped looking.

"Definitely it was my assumption that if a bone washed up on the beach or someone stumbled across some bones in the bush, that [police] would test it against missing persons," she says.''

Over the past three years, Ms Leydon's search for her mum has been the subject of a high-profile podcast The Lady Vanishes, which has led to a homicide investigation and a coronial inquest.

She is determined to leave no stone unturned.

"To sit there and think that my mum could be in one of those boxes, and I'm dredging myself through everything to find her, and she could have been sitting in a box for 25 years in a morgue — that's just horrifying for me," she says.

Marion Barter's case is featured in the ongoing podcast, The Lady Vanishes.(ABC News: Marc Smith)
It was a common assumption which Dr Ward encountered, not just among families, but also police officers and coroners – that found remains were being routinely tested and compared against missing persons nationally.

In reality, DNA testing capability varied from state to state, and a national database to search across borders, first introduced in 2015, was plagued by technical problems and rarely used.

Without that capability to routinely compare, it's highly likely that many of Australia's missing persons are among the 850 unidentified remains in storage.

"And that's where I saw the program; that's what we should have in this country, so we could guarantee the families that we had exhausted all of the forensic science options available to identify their missing loved one," Dr Ward says.''

Thanks so much for this !
I wish it could be shown in the UK too!

 

[BonnieB]

The Imaginary Tale of Legitimate Lounge Making...

Once upon a time, in a land far away, a long-term, career criminal with three dubious marriages, countless fraud, forgery & theft charges, border security crimes and a four year stint in prison, is SUDDENLY invited to design, set up and manage a LEGITIMATE family lounge making & export business in the tax haven of Luxembourg.
Then, after about 2 years, this massively productive and lucrative enterprise ("I made zillions in that factory") is closed down for no apparent reason and the career criminal is transferred to the position of export & promotions manager for the mother company in Belgium.
The fairy tale continues with the 'reformed criminal' travelling throughout Europe, all expenses paid to furniture expo's, overseeing transport & shipping operations & popping back to the UK every now again to play happy families with his fourth wife and kids who have been installed in an idyllic English country location.
But alas, the English weather did not agree with the 'reformed criminal's' family so he was forced to resign from his ONLY legitimate employment and return to a life of crime back in Australia.

Believe it or NOT!!!

 

[dotr]

May 30 2022 rbbm.

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ilmhunt.com

''Within the weeks earlier than Gold Coast lady Marion Barter disappeared “suspiciously” she displayed “out of character” behaviour, her household say.
Early this morning police introduced the reward for data within the mother-of-two’s case could be rising to $500,000 — nearly 25 years after she vanished in 1997.
What occurred to the 51-year-old, a famend trainer who was awarded the Queensland Educating Excellence Award in 1996 by Ita Buttrose, is a query that has plagued her daughter Sally Leydon for many years.''

''After Ms Barter disappeared, it emerged she’d legally modified her identify to Florabella Natalia Marion Remakel and purchased a passport. (Equipped)
Ms Leydon hopes the elevated reward will encourage individuals to return ahead and maintains her mom’s disappearance was suspicious.
“My mom’s behaviour earlier than leaving Australia was out of character and we all know she was seen across the Southport space (in Queensland) inside a automobile with an unknown man,” Ms Leydon stated.
“She additionally missed my brother’s birthday – one thing I do know she would by no means do – and had her checking account drained in increments as soon as she was reported lacking.
“I’ve little question these weird occurrences had been as a result of one thing untoward was occurring in her life, and that factor nonetheless stays a heart-breaking thriller for my household right now.”
Ms Barter was final seen at a bus depot on Scarborough Road at Southport, Queensland on June 22 1997.''

''We’re nonetheless working to determine Ms Barter’s actions and whereabouts upon returning to Australia in late July or early August 1997 and want to converse with anybody near her throughout that point.”
Anybody with data which will help investigators is urged to contact Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000 or online.''

 

[BonnieB]

Really??? Who does grammar & spell checks on theses articles?

 

[TootsieFootsie]

The site is in Pakistan, and gets a score of "risky" from Scam Adviser.

 

[Bagpus]

Really??? Who does grammar & spell checks on theses articles?

It read like it was google translated from another language.

 

[BonnieB]

Really??? Who does grammar & spell checks on theses articles?

Ha! even I need a spell check!! theses WT?

 

[sah10406]

Maybe you can find out more from your side of the world @Lord Peter Flimsy - not that it helps to find Marion.
But tieing up loose ends can lead to new findings!

For what it's worth, there is no-one with the family name Coppenolle on the 1921 England census. There is one person on the 1911 census, a 78-year-old Belgian monk named Raphael Coppenolle living at a monastery in Guildford, Surrey.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

Have been trying to find out why this is. Interestingly the area where he was born - Boroughbridge, West Riding Yorkshire - June 10 1916

His father fought in WW1 1914-1918 so maybe in the UK? Or the mother had family in the UK.

Maybe you can find out more from your side of the world @Lord Peter Flimsy - not that it helps to find Marion.
But tieing up loose ends can lead to new findings!

There was a large influx of Belgian refugees into the UK in 1914 as the Germans advanced across France. This newspaper article from
1914 mentions Boroughbridge where AKAs probable father’ birth was registered

 

[BonnieB]

There was a large influx of Belgian refugees into the UK in 1914 as the Germans advanced across France. This newspaper article from
1914 mentions Boroughbridge where AKAs probable father’ birth was registered

I think you're right Lord Peter, I have a vague memory of someone mentioning that same reasoning - that Robert's mother was in the UK temporarily during the war. @mishy66 will know more I'm sure.

 

[mishy66]

For what it's worth, there is no-one with the family name Coppenolle on the 1921 England census. There is one person on the 1911 census, a 78-year-old Belgian monk named Raphael Coppenolle living at a monastery in Guildford, Surrey.

Yes the family didnt live there. It was only briefly during the war - sometime between 1914 - 1918 because the rest of children born in Belgium. I think @Lord Peter Flimsy has it correct in regard to the family heading to the UK during the war for safety.

 

[Brown Alleycat]

The Imaginary Tale of Legitimate Lounge Making...

Once upon a time, in a land far away, a long-term, career criminal with three dubious marriages, countless fraud, forgery & theft charges, border security crimes and a four year stint in prison, is SUDDENLY invited to design, set up and manage a LEGITIMATE family lounge making & export business in the tax haven of Luxembourg.
Then, after about 2 years, this massively productive and lucrative enterprise ("I made zillions in that factory") is closed down for no apparent reason and the career criminal is transferred to the position of export & promotions manager for the mother company in Belgium.
The fairy tale continues with the 'reformed criminal' travelling throughout Europe, all expenses paid to furniture expo's, overseeing transport & shipping operations & popping back to the UK every now again to play happy families with his fourth wife and kids who have been installed in an idyllic English country location.
But alas, the English weather did not agree with the 'reformed criminal's' family so he was forced to resign from his ONLY legitimate employment and return to a life of crime back in Australia.

Believe it or NOT!!!

Well said BonnieB! What a fairy tale!