Australia Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, June 1997 #14

[fastpiece]

This isn't necessarily specific to the 1990s but she arrived on a Saturday

 

[Meligator]

I think I may have an idea of where his Flemish painting came from. Previously in Belgium and victims of his crimes

De Jonckheere gallery

 

[MrsEmmaPeel]

I’m so glad you said that as I’ve felt the same.. they don’t read real and genuine

I'm sure there are bits of real stuff-- like the dentist and Maz-- but the tea shop talk and the scenery and shopping. That could be anywhere. I believe she wasn't much on her own, and that RB was calling the shots, whatever they were. Coin shows? Old books shops? driving her around but also leaving her alone at some oast house. ;(

 

[Deleted member 249471]

Aaaand we're back. Wow! New site design. It's going to take a minute...

 

[Deleted member 249471]

If RB was with her while she wrote the cards, and depending on the level of the con and coercive control, RB might've asked her to make up the dentist and Maz to send family and police on a wild goose chase. Similar to what he tried to do with the pilot who allegedly went to his house, and the real FR. He might've even tried to loosely implicate the dentist who signed her passport application. The man is pretty ruthless IMO.

 

[BonnieB]

I think I may have an idea of where his Flemish painting came from. Previously in Belgium and victims of his crimes

De Jonckheere gallery

I think we all suspect he didn't buy it, well not with his pension money anyway lol.

 

[mishy66]

Did Marion ever teach in the Blue Mountains?
Is there a timeline of her teaching career?
Thanks

 

[Liselle]

Not definitively. Marion probably didn't care about the money from the car. How much could it have been? 10k -20k? She wasn't strapped for cash. However someone else, like RB, who would have definitely known about all of Marions assets and loves money would more likely be annoyed the money hadn't been put in to the account he was trying to drain.

MB's little car would have only been worth about $3K-$5K in the 1990's but it was the funds from the sale of SL's own vehicle that was going to be deposited into MB's account. IMO, if SL was to EVENTUALLY TRY TO DEPOSIT this money, she would have discovered there weren’t any accounts active in MB's name anymore. This could have been the FIRST CLUE into the unraveling of RB'S plot, his annoyance that SL hadn't done this quickly and, IMO, the possible discovery of her accounts changed to FDR.

 

[KateM]

Sorry but IMO opinion if I were to hide a relationship, and change my name and not tell my children I would considering that as not being honest with my kids.. I am rather black or white with things like this.. open book always.. especially to my children…omitting.. is way to close to hiding truth JMO

hiding truth is close to dishonesty
Dishonesty is close to lying.

Fine fine line.

So IMO Marion lied to her family by not telling them she had changed her name.

based on behaviour leading up to going… I question if there’s truth in the postcards.. truth in the phone call.. all of it and that’s because of ‘omitting’ important information.. gawd it was a name change that’s huge way more than just omitting

I agree. I don't think we can honestly believe anything that Marion said tbh.

 

[KateM]

MB's little car would have only been worth about $3K-$5K in the 1990's but it was the funds from the sale of SL's own vehicle that was going to be deposited into MB's account. IMO, if SL was to EVENTUALLY TRY TO DEPOSIT this money, she would have discovered there weren’t any accounts active in MB's name anymore. This could have been the FIRST CLUE into the unraveling of RB'S plot, his annoyance that SL hadn't done this quickly and, IMO, the possible discovery of her accounts changed to FDR.

We know for a fact that Marion's bank accounts were closed after the last withdrawal, do we?

 

[JayJayJay]

Did Marion ever teach in the Blue Mountains?
Is there a timeline of her teaching career?
Thanks

Yes, she did teach in the BM

 

[Meligator]

We know for a fact that Marion's bank accounts were closed after the last withdrawal, do we?

I don’t think so b/c one of the bank representative described he closing an account, in recent years—one that was just accumulating fees. Not sure if that’s the same account with funds remaining or if those were separate accounts.

 

[Liselle]

We know for a fact that Marion's bank accounts were closed after the last withdrawal, do we?

I think this is correct. Only approx. $15000 remains in Barclay's Bank, UK (accumulating bank fees) still in MB's name. However, my comments are only assumptions - on returning to Aus, MB's accounts COULD have all been changed to FNR giving RB carte blanche to access/withdraw/terminate all her funds as he was also FNR. Then, IF SL had tried to deposit the car sale money into her mother’s account, she would have discovered that NO accounts existed in MB's name and the plot COULD have been exposed. Maybe this will be verified or debunked if the inquest progresses.

 

[Meligator]

So as far as we know, there hasn’t been a copy of the August 7 postcard shared. I wish we could look at the date stamp. I just find it such a weird coincidence that the days of the month (7th) are same for July & August postcards and (30th) for

 

[Meligator]

I think this is correct. Only approx. $15000 remains in Barclay's Bank, UK (accumulating bank fees) still in MB's name. However, my comments are only assumptions - on returning to Aus, MB's accounts COULD have all been changed to FNR giving RB carte blanche to access/withdraw/terminate all her funds as he was also FNR. Then, IF SL had tried to deposit the car sale money into her mother’s account, she would have discovered that NO accounts existed in MB's name and the plot COULD have been exposed. Maybe this will be verified or debunked if the inquest progresses.

I recall the bank representative saying there was a high performance account opened in June 1997. That seems later than expected given the sale of her house. Wouldn’t surprise me if that was an account RB someone had access to.

 

[BonnieB]

Once again I was underwhelmed by the latest podcast episode.

 

[Deleted member 249471]

I recall the bank representative saying there was a high performance account opened in June 1997. That seems later than expected given the sale of her house. Wouldn’t surprise me if that was an account RB someone had access to.

The new account she opened was the same day her mortgage was discharged, meaning that is most likely when she received the sale of house money and the bank was able to sort out her paperwork. The inquest assumes the same. The timeframe is normal and can sometimes take longer.

25 April 1997 Sold house.
9 May 1997 Signed transfer for the sale of the property.
2 June 1997 Mortgage discharged and opened a high performing account.

Perhaps this is why she moved resignation forward? Because the sale and settlement worked out quickly?

 

[KiwiNZ]

Once again I was underwhelmed by the latest podcast episode.

Agree, underwhelming - they focused a bit of the fact Marion ticked Married on the arrival card, do you think they are onto something or not lol ?

 

[Deleted member 249471]

It seems that everything points to MB not needing to be FNR in Aus, hence no need to change her bank account name or documents in Aus. It seems her FNR ID had a purpose overseas only. What was the o/s purpose? Is the million dollar question. IMO.

 

[mishy66]

No idea if this is related but it would be an incredible coincidence if not.
1992 - "Richard Lloyd Westbury" with his multiple trips...


There is a R Westbury and L Westbury who had shares in Southern Cross Airlines holdings.
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Could it be "Westbury" as a shareholder would have had the advantage of discounted fares and still 'accessing' these cheap flights throughout the 90's with affiliated airlines or friends in the industry, up until the conviction in 1997 of company chairman DOUGLAS EDWARD REID , by way of fraudulent documentation....

All these planes, pilots, discounts and affiliations !