Australia Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, June 1997 #14

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I just hope that LE re examine the death of IK

Something VERY odd about that time.

It has crossed my mind more than once that we could be looking at a serial killer here. JMO MOO.
The compulsion pattern can start when the death of someone means not only does one profiteer but also there can be no comeback. I don't get a sense that RB is necessarily murderously violent so much as addicted to the 'pay off'.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Yes, I made a note of that too! He said he met RB because the PNB Paribas Bank in Sydney was near his benefit / social security office.

Assuming any of that is true, it would mean he'd collect his pension cheque and deposit it into the BNP Paribas Bank.

Does anyone recall if you could pop in to social security to collect your cheque? If so, what year was that? When did it stop?

Or did he mean he had to collect his Belgium pension cheque? Either way, it's a second bank account!

I can't speak as to Aus, or other parts of Europe, but this is bringing back memories. Here in the UK, pension and unemployment benefits in the 1990s were paid out by receiving a postal cheque that one could take to a post office counter and cash in.

It was a system wide open to abuse and fraud and the checking process was paltry. So it wasn't unheard of for people to intercept other people's mail and cash in their 'Giro' (postal cheque). If that happened, the person who had their Giro stolen would often easily get a replacement issued, so it could be a collaborative effort. People also had whole books of Giros with pre-printed dates for future cashing in. The money didn't have to be deposited into a bank account.

Also the system was wide open for people making claims in multiple names and addresses. It was tied into having a legitimate National Insurance number and a postal address.

I don't know when the system changed but easily this was still happening in the mid 90s to my clear memory and maybe far beyond. Fraud really was a different issue before the widespread use of the internet and mobile phones.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Yep all lies with a dusting of truth when it suits him.

I dont believe anything that comes out of his mouth.

He uses a combination of incidences that he has either read, seen or been a part of to some small degree, to create a story for every questioned that was asked.


JMO

I'm seeing similarities with the way Amber Heard answers questions IMO. Pathalogical liars are pathalogically defensive and their mechanisms are so obvious once one sees it - deflect, distract, detail something off topic, bring in extraneous subjects, imply something dark and devious about the other person - answer the question... NOPE

 

[KateM]

I know
To be honest since the last 2 rounds of the CI I haven’t even gotten through the entire episodes… I scroll..for reasons like the above and because the ‘let’s have actors’ play out the questioning during the inquest has become incredibly hard to listen to.

I end up annoyed and I turn it off.

This has been a long road and TLV deserve a huge acknowledgment for bringing the case to the public’s attention but now IMO if you are reporting on actual court testimony and information then 100% accuracy is not only essential it’s expected.

JMO

I find the actor who is doing RB's voice on the podcast, harder to understand than RB himself...

 

[KateM]

I'm seeing similarities with the way Amber Heard answers questions IMO. Pathalogical liars are pathalogically defensive and their mechanisms are so obvious once one sees it - deflect, distract, detail something off topic, bring in extraneous subjects, imply something dark and devious about the other person - answer the question... NOPE

Yes, both extreme narcissists and probable psychopaths.

 

[KateM]

It has crossed my mind more than once that we could be looking at a serial killer here. JMO MOO.
The compulsion pattern can start when the death of someone means not only does one profiteer but also there can be no comeback. I don't get a sense that RB is necessarily murderously violent so much as addicted to the 'pay off'.

I'd be surprised if Marion was his first.

 

[BonnieB]

I'd be surprised if Marion was his first.

Yes agree. DdH said he's not a violent man; well, perhaps not physically violent..."take a seat my dear, while I brew you a cup of my special herbal tea".

 

[KateM]

Yes agree. DdH said he's not a violent man; well, perhaps not physically violent..."take a seat my dear, while I brew you a cup of my special herbal tea".

Yes agree. DdH said he's not a violent man; well, perhaps not physically violent..."take a seat my dear, while I brew you a cup of my special herbal tea".

 

[KateM]

Yes agree. DdH said he's not a violent man; well, perhaps not physically violent..."take a seat my dear, while I brew you a cup of my special herbal tea".

There's always the first time...

 

[Martinie]

Did that lead in the UK turn out to be false? I hadn't heard anything more about that claim.

 

[KiwiNZ]

Did that lead in the UK turn out to be false? I hadn't heard anything more about that claim.

do you mean the one in the UK paper that said someone was going to claim the reward money ... if so I am surprised (or not really) the article even mentioned it, after a bit of dot connecting we think we worked out who this was they were clearly a few marbles short, a local conspiracy theorist who spend their days writing letters to the police and posting random stuff to Facebook and claiming to have solved the case. all very odd. I hope I am wrong but I don't think it was a true lead

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

Mr Aka stated at the inquest that he was in the South of France for at least a month in 1997. Now I know we can take that with a pinch of salt however he mentioned he stayed at Palavas-les-Forts and more interestingly Saintes-Maries-de-La-mer.

This is a spiritual home for Roma Catholics who converge in large numbers there each May. The fact he mentioned his mother’s funeral was within 3 days of her death leads me to believe Aka is a Roman Catholic.

He also mentioned bull breeding although this wasn’t picked up by AC. He thought he was still talking about his “orses”. Saintes-Maries-de-la-mer is also famous for bullfighting. I very much doubt Aka was riding out with the “gauchos” (aren’t they Argentinian?) unless his horse accident story is rubbish.

Also the mention of also visiting nearby Montpellier & Nice. Nice is of course close to Monaco a great place to hide money. Also if you go south across the Med you end up in Algeria. A country he mentioned to JO.

Are we really believing DdeH thought him gallivanting off over the other side of the world was legit or acceptable? Did they not speak to each other over the phone for months on end? That doesn’t ring true.

 

[BonnieB]

Mr Aka stated at the inquest that he was in the South of France for at least a month in 1997. Now I know we can take that with a pinch of salt however he mentioned he stayed at Palavas-les-Forts and more interestingly Saintes-Maries-de-La-mer.

This is a spiritual home for Roma Catholics who converge in large numbers there each May. The fact he mentioned his mother’s funeral was within 3 days of her death leads me to believe Aka is a Roman Catholic.

He also mentioned bull breeding although this wasn’t picked up by AC. He thought he was still talking about his “orses”. Saintes-Maries-de-la-mer is also famous for bullfighting. I very much doubt Aka was riding out with the “gauchos” (aren’t they Argentinian?) unless his horse accident story is rubbish.

Also the mention of also visiting nearby Montpellier & Nice. Nice is of course close to Monaco a great place to hide money. Also if you go south across the Med you end up in Algeria. A country he mentioned to JO.

Are we really believing DdeH thought him gallivanting off over the other side of the world was legit or acceptable? Did they not speak to each other over the phone for months on end? That doesn’t ring true.

Lol, well it's possible that he wasn't with MB the entire time in 97.
However, I very much doubt any of that fairytale about old mate 'Fonce' and their tripping all over France had even a grain of truth in it. He didn't even think it through!
Apart from the fact that we all know he was with Marion, saying he has a passion and a lifelong love of horses while at the same time draining our social security system for 30 odd years 'supposedly' suffering PTSD from his "orse" pulverisation was NOT even believable!
I think AC & BS just let him ramble on sometimes because he just digs himself into a deeper hole.

IMO, RB hasn't got a religious bone in his body however his family probably were RC's. It wouldn't surprise me if his biological mother also had Jewish heritage.

IMO, DdH probably stopped caring what he was doing overseas a long time ago. As long as the money was in the bank account to take care of the kids, she probably welcomed the months away from him.
I think she was humiliated to learn about his affairs in such a public manner but I'm sure she knew about at least some of his criminal activities and turned a blind eye.

 

[BonnieB]

@Lord Peter Flimsy
On the subject of religion, I'm a firm believer in Karma.
RB was a fraudster and forger his entire life, relying, among other things, on his skill with a pen. To be diagnosed with Essential Tremor is Karma at its finest IMO.

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

I find the actor who is doing RB's voice on the podcast, harder to understand than RB himself...

He does my head in it’s just silly.. would have preferred just one person recapping anything other than the French dude

 

[1965school]

There's always the first time...

Or pour you a glass of wine in the case of GGB

 

[Carovb5]

When i google the company number for Renov Pubs (BE 0858473358)

The 4th hit i get on google is an australian company, mentioned by infobel.be (a Belgian website with info about companies)

JKJ & ASSOCIATES PTY LTD, Sydney, Australia, U 8A 2A REDMAN ROAD, 2099

Find company information, contact details, financial data & company linkages for JKJ & ASSOCIATES PTY LTD of Sydney, Australia.

use.infobelpro.com

I can’t find a link on that site but i find it very weard / suspicious i get a hit in Aus googling a Belgian company…

The two activities this business does are a very special combination…

Main category​

Florists (5992)​

Secondary categories​

Legal Professionals (014126)​

Any ideas on that? Does anyone knows if this is a legit company or if there’s a connection?

 

[BonnieB]

When i google the company number for Renov Pubs (BE 0858473358)

The 4th hit i get on google is an australian company, mentioned by infobel.be (a Belgian website with info about companies)

JKJ & ASSOCIATES PTY LTD, Sydney, Australia, U 8A 2A REDMAN ROAD, 2099

Find company information, contact details, financial data & company linkages for JKJ & ASSOCIATES PTY LTD of Sydney, Australia.

use.infobelpro.com

I can’t find a link on that site but i find it very weard / suspicious i get a hit in Aus googling a Belgian company…

The two activities this business does are a very special combination…

Main category​

Florists (5992)​

Secondary categories​

Legal Professionals (014126)​

Any ideas on that? Does anyone knows if this is a legit company or if there’s a connection?

It appears to be registered to a legal firm on the Northern beach suburb in Sydney​

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Website​

http://www.parisilawyers.com.au​

 

[JayJayJay]

It appears to be registered to a legal firm on the Northern beach suburb in Sydney​

​

Website​

http://www.parisilawyers.com.au​

That firm has since merged with another legal firm.

 

[Liselle]

In light of this forum, I am having distressing flashbacks watching a real life documentary "The Puppet Master" on Nflx. Each episode has more and more converging sequences.