Australia Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, June 1997 #15

[hoodunnit]

On a separate subject, does anyone know if RB is known to be a sailor? Yachts maybe? He wanted to allegedly buy the boat for him and MC to sail off into the romantic sunset. Did he mention boats or anything such to JO? Is it at all possible that he could have taken Marion out to sea on a vessel?

At some point during questioning AC asked him if he had a boat. He denied obviously.

 

[hoodunnit]

DBM - double post

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Remember when he looked at old, were they abandoned? houses in Bali. Or was it just the one house.

I always get a blood runs cold feeling when I think of that.

We're now in November. I have an alarm set for November 30 on my phone, for the live stream of the Coroners verdict.

 

[KiwiNZ]

Remember when he looked at old, were they abandoned? houses in Bali. Or was it just the one house.

I always get a blood runs cold feeling when I think of that.

We're now in November. I have an alarm set for November 30 on my phone, for the live stream of the Coroners verdict.

yeah, what was Bali all about? clearly not a relaxing stay over, according to JO he only took her to slums lol

 

[gymtonic]

On a separate subject, does anyone know if RB is known to be a sailor? Yachts maybe? He wanted to allegedly buy the boat for him and MC to sail off into the romantic sunset. Did he mention boats or anything such to JO? Is it at all possible that he could have taken Marion out to sea on a vessel?

Not necessarily in answer to your question, but an interesting titbit that plays into the « « Walter Mitty » shades of RB’s life…He was known to admire Jacques Brel (Belgian singer/ actor), who, interestingly, in his later years, bought a yacht and sailed off around the world with his mistress and his daughter! He ended up in French Polynesia and then after a to and fro due to failing health, he died in France but his body was returned to French Polynesia. RB is known to borrow his fantasies and IMO this is the source of his « let’s buy a yacht » Fantasy !

 

[KiwiNZ]

sorry I should have said EPA not POE -

Enduring power of attorney

gives the person appointed as attorney the power to dispose of property, deal with financial affairs, sign documents and make purchases on behalf of the individual and make usual gifts. The attorney does not have the power to make substantial or unusual gifts, or make decisions about personal care and welfare.

You have to wonder about the lawyer who set this up between JO and RB

I know EPA can differ, I appointed my brother-in-law to sell our house when we left the UK, but our Lawyer was well aware of the situation and that I wasn't dead, I was overseas, so I guess the devils in the detail as to what JO signed but would be interested to know if she needed to be dead for RB to act on it

I am all caught up in the Delphi case at the moment, so glad someone getting answers, let's hope MB case will be resolved as well

 

[*juniper*]

sorry I should have said EPA not POE -

Enduring power of attorney ….

You have to wonder about the lawyer who set this up between JO and RB

I’ve gone back to Episode 28 of TLV podcast, where JO talks about her experience with RB. JO says that she did not receive any legal advice regarding the implications of a POA, and from what she said, I don’t think she fully understood what she was signing. The document was witnessed by a JP in Lismore.

JO also said that when they travelled overseas RB took her house keys, the title deeds to her property, the POA, and her birth, marriage & citizenship documents. All of these documents were ‘stolen’ when RB was attacked at a train station In December 1999. Her title deeds were returned, but then disappeared from her house again shortly afterwards, around early Jan 2000.

During the inquest there was evidence that RB opened another bank safety envelope in July 1999, (between when he contacted JO in June 1999 and when he suggested they set up a business partnership in October 1999). This safety envelope was cancelled in August 2000.

 

[mishy66]

I’ve gone back to Episode 28 of TLV podcast, where JO talks about her experience with RB. JO says that she did not receive any legal advice regarding the implications of a POA, and from what she said, I don’t think she fully understood what she was signing. The document was witnessed by a JP in Lismore.

JO also said that when they travelled overseas RB took her house keys, the title deeds to her property, the POA, and her birth, marriage & citizenship documents. All of these documents were ‘stolen’ when RB was attacked at a train station In December 1999. Her title deeds were returned, but then disappeared from her house again shortly afterwards, around early Jan 2000.

During the inquest there was evidence that RB opened another bank safety envelope in July 1999, (between when he contacted JO in June 1999 and when he suggested they set up a business partnership in October 1999). This safety envelope was cancelled in August 2000.

"""JO also said that when they travelled overseas RB took her house keys, the title deeds to her property, the POA, and her birth, marriage & citizenship documents""""....

A masterplan that never changes. This is why I believe he had ALL of Marions documents with him, including her MB passport she got the year before.

He was there at her house helping her pack up, gathering all her MB documents, medicare, old passport ( that she says she lost....), banking, insurance etc. He also has her boxes with clothing, personal items and jewellery etc, a perfect setup for a female close to him to become Marion when needed, I mean, they even had her medicare to get new glasses if need be!

By Oct 1997 SL has filed a missing person report and the Bank informs her money has been taken from her account.

Late 1997 the DeH have moved back to Ballina....

June 1999 - JO falls into the same trap as Marion. JO was told by RB to go see 'his agent' and they would help her get home.....only she didnt do this, she contacted her cousin who saved her from this pig.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

"""JO also said that when they travelled overseas RB took her house keys, the title deeds to her property, the POA, and her birth, marriage & citizenship documents""""....

A masterplan that never changes. This is why I believe he had ALL of Marions documents with him, including her MB passport she got the year before.

He was there at her house helping her pack up, gathering all her MB documents, medicare, old passport ( that she says she lost....), banking, insurance etc. He also has her boxes with clothing, personal items and jewellery etc, a perfect setup for a female close to him to become Marion when needed, I mean, they even had her medicare to get new glasses if need be!

By Oct 1997 SL has filed a missing person report and the Bank informs her money has been taken from her account.

Late 1997 the DeH have moved back to Ballina....

June 1999 - JO falls into the same trap as Marion. JO was told by RB to go see 'his agent' and they would help her get home.....only she didnt do this, she contacted her cousin who saved her from this pig.

I agree with your perception of the pattern. Who was the ‘agent‘ JO was supposed to see about return flights? What I’m trying to work out is what was *supposed* to have happened to JO as that‘s likely to be the same thing

 

[hoodunnit]

From TLV FB page just now -

"Episode 42 is due to drop tonight and episode 43 will drop tomorrow. Why so close in succession? There has been another major development and it's a big one. Thank you all for your patience. It will be rewarded."

 

[Flippitypip]

From TLV FB page just now -

"Episode 42 is due to drop tonight and episode 43 will drop tomorrow. Why so close in succession? There has been another major development and it's a big one. Thank you all for your patience. It will be rewarded."

I just saw this too and came running to this thread!

 

[TootsieFootsie]

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The Coroner was directed to find her death occured after she returned to Australia.

 

[chloborose]

Has anyone got any ideas about this new development ?! So hopeful!!

 

[gymtonic]

This is why I believe he had ALL of Marions documents with him, including her MB passport she got the year before.

He was there at her house helping her pack up, gathering all her MB documents, medicare, old passport ( that she says she lost....), banking, insurance etc. He also has her boxes with clothing, personal items and jewellery etc, a perfect setup for a female close to him to become Marion when needed, I mean, they even had her medicare to get new glasses if need be!

I agree with the MO but a couple of things to query here (and especially for those not from Australia). Where was the information that MB said she lost her passport that she applied for in 1996? I must have missed that. I mean I said earlier that the old passport should have been surrendered, the corner clipped and returned on application for a new passport (this rendering it useless for ID theft) and I speculated that the only thing that could change this was if she said she lost it...but I didn't know there was evidence that she had said she lost it.

Secondly, Medicare does not cover new glasses, that would be private health care (in MB's case TUH where we have no evidence one way or the other for a claim for new glasses). The only optical services claimable under Medicare is an eye test, which is why we know the service claimed in Grafton was an eye test.

I think both these details are vital to the narrative. The first because if MB still does retain an intact passport in the name of MB then it would assist any ID issues, but I don't believe this has been demonstrated has it? The second is that having Medicare ID does not assist in getting new glasses (for impersonation sake).

 

[mishy66]

Who was the ‘agent‘ JO was supposed to see about return flights? What I’m trying to work out is what was *supposed* to have happened to JO as that‘s likely to be the same thing

Well if we knew that, we would have solved a lot of the case.
This is all in JO testimony, RB told her to go to some agent and they would organise a flight home, except she was wise enough to call her cousin instead!

 

[mishy66]

Where was the information that MB said she lost her passport that she applied for in 1996?

.... purely speculating. No one knows for certain WHAT happened to her MB passport that she renewed the year before.

I am saying I put nothing past RB, he is a fantasizer and blatant liar whos only interest is his self gain.

I mean, no one actually has confirmed that her old passport was in fact surrended no?

And it would be very feasible to attend an eye test appointment and then aquire new glasses as a result of, by someone pretending to be MB I would think, given we all know how cunning RB is with ID's...

IMO

 

[Martinie]

There's a new podcast episode tonight and tomorrow! Apparently some new developments, so I'll be listening to those as soon as they drop!!

 

[gwebb9]

I agree with the MO but a couple of things to query here (and especially for those not from Australia). Where was the information that MB said she lost her passport that she applied for in 1996? I must have missed that. I mean I said earlier that the old passport should have been surrendered, the corner clipped and returned on application for a new passport (this rendering it useless for ID theft) and I speculated that the only thing that could change this was if she said she lost it...but I didn't know there was evidence that she had said she lost it.

Secondly, Medicare does not cover new glasses, that would be private health care (in MB's case TUH where we have no evidence one way or the other for a claim for new glasses). The only optical services claimable under Medicare is an eye test, which is why we know the service claimed in Grafton was an eye test.

I think both these details are vital to the narrative. The first because if MB still does retain an intact passport in the name of MB then it would assist any ID issues, but I don't believe this has been demonstrated has it? The second is that having Medicare ID does not assist in getting new glasses (for impersonation sake).

IMO - MB was worried about a 'freckle' she had in one of her eyes - this was in the podcast. An optometrist CAN keep an eye ( no pun intended) on the freckle in case it turns into an ocular melanoma. Because, if it turns into an ocular (eye) melanoma, that CAN be deadly. I know this because in June last year, an optometrist detected a 'change' in my left eye that turned out to be a type of eye/skin cancer in my left eye. Even though it wasn't an ocular melanoma, it was another type, optometrists can play a key part in the observation and detection of eye cancers. And, all of my optometrist appointments were/are covered under medicare as well. Each optometrist appointment now includes a check of the left eye for possible cancerous changes.

So, if MB knew the significance of the 'freckle' in her eye, to me, it makes sense that she would keep seeing the eye dr to track changes. Of course a trip to the opthamologist is needed too, but the optometrist can make that referral.

I hope that makes sense.

 

[gymtonic]

Oh yes, this all makes sense, but in this instance we know the item claimed was for a basic initial eye test (according to the podcast and inquest). If they’ve been able to access Medicare records then it will have told them this through the item number claimed.

 

[gymtonic]

.... purely speculating. No one knows for certain WHAT happened to her MB passport that she renewed the year before.

I am saying I put nothing past RB, he is a fantasizer and blatant liar whos only interest is his self gain.

I mean, no one actually has confirmed that her old passport was in fact surrended no?

And it would be very feasible to attend an eye test appointment and then aquire new glasses as a result of, by someone pretending to be MB I would think, given we all know how cunning RB is with ID's...

IMO

I guess my thinking is that the immigration/ passport records are available and if it was noted that the applicant had not surrendered an old passport and claimed it was lost, not only would this be in the records but it would also be crucial evidence to put before the coroner.