Australia Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, June 1997 #8

[Deleted member 249471]

Are we Heaven’s Gate all of a sudden?

You'll have to explain this to me I'm afraid.

 

[CrowGirl87]

Yes it was the same name I can’t remember either but it was the same.

Pretty sure it was the same name

Burwash

which is right in the area of Tonbridge and Tunbridge Wells, Hastings... All within short driving distance.

My guess is he put her up in a cheap hotel like he did with JO

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

The police "told " him that information

And of course they inform him of details and not her daughter… oh please he put his foot in it as far as I’m concerned.

 

[SLouTh]

I don’t know if he still had it in 97

Would be interesting to know though......Or when it was sold etc ..... IMO

 

[bettyboop]

I think if I was married to him I’d forget things too, you have to or you’d go insane just trying to remember what his name is this week

Lol. So true

 

[StrangerDanger]

Casseldon didn’t really buy into his response about the motel stay and pressed his original question. I wasn’t sure if it was because he didn’t want to discuss that piece of information or because it wasn’t in the brief of evidence.

Who is on the stand after RB? If this is an ongoing investigation, does that mean police won’t take the stand to introduce their own evidence (Eg. Credit card payment linking Marion to Novotel etc??)

 

[CrowGirl87]

thank you!
not sure what I was expecting, but it wasn't this!

 

[caitlincurious]

IMO there is obviously some cognitive issues with D

I do not believe it was claimed the operation and survival was as an adult ....so it well may be a fact that can be proven it happened in childhood ....

I dont quite get how everything he states can be considered a lie IMO

I didn't say he lied about that. I said it was 'convenient' in the sense that it makes it easy for him to claim D's memory is unreliable

 

[SLouTh]

Who is on the stand after RB? If this is an ongoing investigation, does that mean police won’t take the stand to introduce their own evidence (Eg. Credit card payment linking Marion to Novotel etc??

Often Police information is given at a closed court during an inquest, particularly if there is an ongoing investigation....

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

Would be interesting to know though......Or when it was sold etc ..... IMO

A lot of us have tried search but we don’t have a street address and nothing coming up on passé in the area.. I might have another go but hit a brick wall last time.

 

[Deleted member 249471]

On the motel issue...

Keep in mind that Casselden never said Marion was seen upon her return and stayed in a motel for a week. It came from RB's mouth. He could've been embellishing, as he is prone to do. Although it may be true, no, we've never heard that police have evidence of Marion doing such a thing.

We DO know 'Marion' or someone posing as her, wrote on the passenger card upon their return to Australia, that:

• she was married
• her country of residence was Luxembourg
• was returning to Australia as a visitor for 8 days to see family
• staying at Novotel in Brisbane
• her occupation was home duties
• was signed as Florabella.

As you can see, much of this is false, conflicting or unusual. So I am taking the passenger card and what RB said about the motel with a grain of salt. It's in HIS best interest to say that someone saw Marion upon her return, that she wasn't with him, and that she was fine.

In fact, a loooong time ago, I think Gary Sheehan once said they checked the Novotel and they found no evidence of her there? Or maybe it's because too many years had passed. Does someone else remember?

To be honest RB saying this made me think HE wrote the passenger card

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

Casseldon didn’t really buy into his response about the motel stay and pressed his original question. I wasn’t sure if it was because he didn’t want to discuss that piece of information or because it wasn’t in the brief of evidence.

Who is on the stand after RB? If this is an ongoing investigation, does that mean police won’t take the stand to introduce their own evidence (Eg. Credit card payment linking Marion to Novotel etc??)

Or him at Novotel booked in using whatever alias /passport at the time..

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

A lot of us have tried search but we don’t have a street address and nothing coming up on passé in the area.. I might have another go but hit a brick wall last time.

We need a slueth with RP Data in qld lol

 

[Estelle]

One crime that I think they could prove that RB has committed in Australia is security fraud.

I am wondering whether they have been able to prove in the meantime that RB has used

1. fake Australian passports
2. fake Australian driver's licences
3. made dishonest records on the electoral rolls
4. committed social security fraud - were his injuries justified for him to be able to get the disability pension or were the documents he gave to SS faked? His wife said he only had PTSD and scars on his legs. Does that entitle anyone to receive a disability pension?

What if he has been receiving the pension also in other names as well? - hence he changes his address and name almost every year and has different bank accounts for each claim?

What happens if he was receiving the pension while he was overseas with his wife in Luxembourg, Belgium, France and England allegedly working for his family's furniture business for six years and did not advise SS of his change of address and left their names on the electoral rolls to pretend he was here? Is that OK?

Australian legislation requires a person to have a minimum of 10 years Australian residence before they can claim Age Pension or Disability Support Pension (this rule changes if the person becomes disabled after they take up permanent residence in Australia). It also requires you to be an Australian resident and in Australia to claim a pension.

The income and assets tests also apply could still receive only a part pension if their income or assets exceeded the threshold limits.

At one stage, RB and Diane owned three properties so how did they pass the assets and income test as they may also have received income from rent?

I guess forensic Accountants are looking into this.

In Belgium
People living in Belgium can lodge claims for Belgian and Australian pensions at the following offices:

• Salaried workers: National Pension Office (RVP-ONP);
• Self-employed persons: National Institute for the Social Insurance of Self-Employed Persons (RSVZ-INASTI)

Has RB been receiving a pension from Belgium as well using faked documents?

Social Security Agreement between Australia and Belgium - Frequently Asked Questions | Department of Social Services, Australian Government

Proof of identity
Some of the acceptable documents to prove your identity are:

• birth certificate or extract
• current Australian passport
• certificate of Australian citizenship

Proof of Australian residence
Helpful documents that can assist you to prove your current or previous Australian residence include:

• Australian or overseas passport that shows your date of arrival in Australia
• Entry visa
• Australian citizenship papers
• Employment and/or tax records, including group certificates issued by Australian employers

 

[roland625]

In saying this, I don't know that we will ever know Marion's fate. I am very interested to see him be questioned about this, specifically.

NSW police did a deal in the past where there were very limited prospects of a successful prosecution for immunity in return for the location of the body.

 

[centred]

And of course they inform him of details and not her daughter… oh please he put his foot in it as far as I’m concerned.

Well i am guessing that is easily proved by the police sitting in the room and Sally has had access to all this information since JUNE 2021 as she has said she could not speak of it .

He could have just said NO he wasn't aware instead of "putting his foot in it "

IMO he is only obfuscating on the things that can incriminate him "I cannot give you a reasonable explanation " and any other details that may do so as well . It is claiming" no comment " and the onus would be on the prosecutor if it was a court of criminal charges to prove it he is deceitful , it is difficult to prove or disprove with comments such as this and besides this is a coroners court at this stage ....

Most of the rest i think he is being truthful in his understanding of events over time .

I am 65 and have spent a lot of time traveling and residing in many places and i am the type that will remember experiences if i am prompted by friends who were there etc and if i had to recall the month and year in a certain decade of course i would have to think on it to be precise .

Some people have amazing recall for dates and numbers etc but hopeless on details of the experience , not everybody is wired the same way when it comes to memory and recall . so telling the truth as you know it actually helps the person know when they DO need to Obfuscating

IME and IMO

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I doubt it very much.

Most of the rest i think he is being truthful in his understanding of events over time .

 

[MrsWattle]

I'm interested the family business. in the manufacturing of furniture for their stores. Does anyone know where the factory was, who they employed, how many employees, what was the name of his chain stores?

 

[CrowGirl87]

On the topic of RB's disability, does anyone else find it extraordinary that despite these debilitating injuries, he was able to still do work as a wedding photographer AND in security !

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

Well i am guessing that is easily proved by the police sitting in the room and Sally has had access to all this information since JUNE 2021 as she has said she could not speak of it .

He could have just said NO he wasn't aware instead of "putting his foot in it "

IMO he is only obfuscating on the things that can incriminate him "I cannot give you a reasonable explanation " and any other details that may do so as well . It is claiming" no comment " and the onus would be on the prosecutor if it was a court of criminal charges to prove it he is deceitful , it is difficult to prove or disprove with comments such as this and besides this is a coroners court at this stage ....

Most of the rest i think he is being truthful in his understanding of events over time .

I am 65 and have spent a lot of time traveling and residing in many places and i am the type that will remember experiences if i am prompted by friends who were there etc and if i had to recall the month and year in a certain decade of course i would have to think on it to be precise .

Some people have amazing recall for dates and numbers etc but hopeless on details of the experience , not everybody is wired the same way when it comes to memory and recall . so telling the truth as you know it actually helps the person know when they DO need to Obfuscating

IME and IMO

I think definitely there is truth in there but I think his explanations for continual name changes as.. ‘perhaps fantasy or I can’t give you a reason’ are a long way from the truth.. so he’s truthful with basic timeline and admitting to things but let’s face it they have evidence so of course he knows when to be truthful…if they can prove otherwise..
I do think he has the gift of the gab (obviously slowing down nowadays but I can imagine in his prime his stories would be captivating to certain women.