Australia Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, June 1997 #9

[Nnbee]

Do we really think they are reading this thread? I don’t know why but I’ve always assumed probably not. Probably only because my parents are of a similar age and I can’t imagine them googling themselves. Then again, they aren’t international criminals.

 

[brjakj]

Do we really think they are reading this thread? I don’t know why but I’ve always assumed probably not. Probably only because my parents are of a similar age and I can’t imagine them googling themselves. Then again, they aren’t international criminals.

They may not be but there kids may.

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

If Maria bore him out of wedlock, a baby would have kept her from finding a husband. Had he been born in wedlock, the family might have taken him in. Perhaps she found Mr. David, who did not want the child and who gave Maria two sons. She then moves on to Mr Wouters, who sees another pair of hands in RB or the son he never had.

Life was cruel to unwed mothers, particularly in a Catholic country.

Well according to him his mothers legs were blown off in a bomb raid snd he was sent to orphanage as no one could

Yes just the houses alone in Vaucluse would set them up. One of them most have sold as two separate titles 55 and 55A. ?

They seem to be able to do a lot on two pensions !

they also well ‘he’ has led an expensive life travelling and wooing various people to then rip them off… eluding that he’s cashed up and reality they should be.. but I’d say he is the one that wasted D’s inheritance

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

Speaking of honest day's work, in the inquest, Mr C speaks of RB working in and for his family's furniture factory as if it were fact. During the 6 year period RB and Diane were not in Australia. It made me wonder if the authorities have proof he was working at that time. And I wondered why on earth his family would hire him for anything after all the time in prison and boatload of charges.

Working or wheeling and dealing?

 

[Belleandsebastian]

Well according to him his mothers legs were blown off in a bomb raid snd he was sent to orphanage as no one could

they also well ‘he’ has led an expensive life travelling and wooing various people to then rip them off… eluding that he’s cashed up and reality they should be.. but I’d say he is the one that wasted D’s inheritance

I’m confused, because he stated that Maria was his mother, but Diane said she was an Aunty...? And if Maria supposedly got her legs blown off and couldn’t look after him, she somehow had 2/3 other kids after that and was able to look after them? Can someone please help me get this story straight in my head

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

Do we really think they are reading this thread? I don’t know why but I’ve always assumed probably not. Probably only because my parents are of a similar age and I can’t imagine them googling themselves. Then again, they aren’t international criminals.

Their Daughter in law and daughter were previously quite active on social media.. so I’d assume someone is on here checking out stuff.. IMO

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

Yep

I’m confused, because he stated that Maria was his mother, but Diane said she was an Aunty...? And if Maria supposedly got her legs blown off and couldn’t look after him, she somehow had 2/3 other kids after that and was able to look after them? Can someone please help me get this story straight in my head

that confuses the heck outta me too

 

[KiwiNZ]

Well according to him his mothers legs were blown off in a bomb raid snd he was sent to orphanage as no one could

they also well ‘he’ has led an expensive life travelling and wooing various people to then rip them off… eluding that he’s cashed up and reality they should be.. but I’d say he is the one that wasted D’s inheritance

Yip, paying for other women’s trips overseas, of course he saw that outlay of cash as an investment but in JO’s case he didnt get a return. Maybe he mostly failed and he ended up spending more on the cons than gaining ? Cause I can’t figure how they seem below average money wise, maybe he is just no good at it. Looks like he spent DH inheritance conning other women

 

[centred]

Yip, paying for other women’s trips overseas, of course he saw that outlay of cash as an investment but in JO’s case he didnt get a return. Maybe he mostly failed and he ended up spending more on the cons than gaining ? Cause I can’t figure how they seem below average money wise, maybe he is just no good at it. Looks like he spent DH inheritance conning other women

yes well he claimed the women were wanton little bewitching belly dancers who loved men and he was the pillar of virtue and ended these charades because he is married with children . So i would suggest he may have been also just a randy lil bugger with a bit of a penchant for embezzlement on the side as well ...
Until he had a prostate operation that is ...I am not sure the when of that was answered as yet ...

 

[gymtonic]

Yip, paying for other women’s trips overseas, of course he saw that outlay of cash as an investment but in JO’s case he didnt get a return. Maybe he mostly failed and he ended up spending more on the cons than gaining ? Cause I can’t figure how they seem below average money wise, maybe he is just no good at it. Looks like he spent DH inheritance conning other women

Gambling problem?

 

[Nnbee]

If the daughter and daughter in-law had been listening to the podcast, I wonder why they didn’t change their names on social media until end of day one of the inquest?

Wouldn’t they know what’s about to happen in court?

 

[mishy66]

Her family came from there.

Possibly Lismore Hospital ?

 

[mishy66]

If the daughter and daughter in-law had been listening to the podcast, I wonder why they didn’t change their names on social media until end of day one of the inquest?

Wouldn’t they know what’s about to happen in court?

I would presume that no one knew just what was about to eventuate at the inquest and we cant presume that he told his children. He is a Master of manipulation as we have seen

 

[mishy66]

I’m confused, because he stated that Maria was his mother, but Diane said she was an Aunty...? And if Maria supposedly got her legs blown off and couldn’t look after him, she somehow had 2/3 other kids after that and was able to look after them? Can someone please help me get this story straight in my head

I dont believe a word that comes out of his mouth if it is SOLELY about him

 

[gymtonic]

I’m confused, because he stated that Maria was his mother, but Diane said she was an Aunty...? And if Maria supposedly got her legs blown off and couldn’t look after him, she somehow had 2/3 other kids after that and was able to look after them? Can someone please help me get this story straight in my head

I doubt that anyone can say what the straight family story is at this moment with the evidence available!
IMO factors including "lost in translation", cultural and family factors, the historical period (WW2 and after) have created a tangled web that again IMO RB uses/ has used to his advantage. For example: The term "parent" in French can mean Mother and Father OR generically "relative" and the French use the same term for In-laws and Step family (English speakers may not understand that and may interpret differently). Also in some cultures "Aunty" can mean "elder person to be respected". Re the historical period pre/during/post WW2 the family dynamics could be very complication due to migration, large extended families, deaths, widows, orphans and even second marriages within families could take place. Maybe RB used "mother" and Aunty interchangeably (either innocently or deliberately) and DW did get confused?

Even doing my own family history has led to me discovering web strands to be untangled and revealed misconceptions e.g. someone I've always thought was a cousin turned out to be not blood related at all as my uncle married my Aunty when she was already pregnant by someone else. Also I had an Aunty who died during the last pandemic at 3yo and my mother was given her exact name. I also had a g-grandmother who apparently married 3 times and 2 were brothers and the other untraceable. Due to interchangeable first and middle names I haven't been able to sort that one out to this day!

 

[mishy66]

So Peggy has listed this address
55 olola Avenue Vaucluse

And D has listed this address
23 Vaucluse Road Vaucluse

hmm

are you thinking what I have been thinking! ?

 

[LouLouSleuth]

I think there’s more to the Ric Blum alias than so far meets the eye as the name was used as a director of his first company. I’m sure more has happened with it in the intervening period.

Yes!! I agree. Was Ric a real person he knew and put in the company directorship? He wouldn’t just invent a name in 1960, then use it again in 2021 and not in between.

 

[vivienbee]

I’m confused, because he stated that Maria was his mother, but Diane said she was an Aunty...? And if Maria supposedly got her legs blown off and couldn’t look after him, she somehow had 2/3 other kids after that and was able to look after them? Can someone please help me get this story straight in my head

If any of his story is to be believed, it's possible that he was conceived out of wedlock, or that his father was killed in the war. It would have been hard for Maria as a single mother with disabilities at that time, especially if she were unable to work. If he was born out of wedlock, it's also possible that her family refused to take him in. I think she then went on to marry or have a relationship with another man and have two children with him, which she could probably care for with his financial and practical support. But who knows?

 

[vivienbee]

are you thinking what I have been thinking! ?

What have you been thinking?

 

[gymtonic]

I may have missed someone else posting this info about the Document that was shared earlier about the Gendarmerie (police personnel) files. I have only just managed to have a good look and found this statement in the introduction: "Seuls les dossiers des personnes nées il y a plus de 100 ans sont librement communicables" which means "only those files of those people born more than 100 years ago are freely available". I also found this statement on the Belgian Archives website when I went to search the archives of Belgian military records.

So basically WW or FD or any of the possible aliases would not be found as those records are locked (for privacy reasons) until 100 years after their birth year.

The introduction also states "l'accès aux dossiers des personnes nées il y a moins de 100 ans est uniquement accordé avec leur autorisation" which means "access to records of people born less than 100 years ago can only be provided with their authorisation".