@Estelle
I'm using your timeline here for reference (thanks to everyone who puts these timelines together!!) Because I'm still trying to get my head around RB & DdeH, when they were married & where (I can't remember if there are records for these events - I thought I did see someone post them) Their relationship timeline is so off to me! Could he of been married at the same time to two different women, under different names?
This is the timeline:
1970-02-15 Ilona left Australia on UT2506 from Sydney to Belgium?
1970-02-15 Willy Wouters departed Australia without a re-entry visa on UT2506 to Belgium,
status Divorced (2)
More convictions in Belgium and France, for fraud, attempted fraud, breach of trust, impersonation. Various short prison sentences in France, the longest 4 years, most to be served concurrently.
1970 Ilona married in Budapest Hungary to MJR (Reid?)
1971 Ilona first child born (daughter ER)
1971-6-23 WW.Arrested Rouen, Discharged 21/5/1974
1971-12-09 Willy Wouters Rouen France, sentenced to 4 years prison for fraud, forgery, confidence tricks, giving false identity
1972-01-11 WW sentenced to one month for unsecured cheques in absentia in France.
1972-11-16 Willy Wouters Lille France, 1 years prison (concurrent with previous sentence)
1973-01-23 Willy Waitress Fraud 1 years prison (concurrent with previous sentences)
1973 Ilona second child born (son CR)
1974-01 Willy Wouters App Dousai "checks without cover" 1 years prison
1974-05-21 Willy Wouters discharged from prison. He may have then joined Ilona in Hungary but where he was is unaccounted for.
1976?? Willy Wouters must have returned to Australia but no records can be found say immigration dept. Did he actually return with or before Ilona in 1976 as M J Reid? Did they just separate or divorce or were never really married?
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1977 We know they (he & DdeH) are listed in census docs living in 1/303 Old South West Road, Bondi and he has listed himself as an artist and D as a secretary. (Note D name is spelt here with 1 'N')
and then in
1980 Are listed in living in Military Road, he's listed as a photographer and DdeH is listed as hd = (is this the abbreviation for hand?)
My question and mind keep circling around: How & when did he meet DdeH?! How does she fit in?
I think he really also could be MJ Reid.
IMO In brief, RB met DdH in 1975 but it could have been 1974 as there is no record of his returning to Australia.
Sorry about the length of this but I have updated it and will put my comments in bold to explain how I understand this:
This is the timeline with my interpretations:
WW could not have met DdH on the Chusan in early 1970 (or in 1971) here as he was in Sydney with Ilona who gave birth to their first child in January, 1970. "You cannot be in two places at once" said Casselden.
1970-01 Ilona gives birth to Evelyn Wouters who later became Evelyn Reid
1970-02-15 Ilona left Australia on UT2506 from Sydney to Belgium?
1970-02-15 Willy Wouters departed Australia without a re-entry visa on UT2506 to Belgium,
status Divorced (2)
Note that WW and IW left on the same flight for Belgium even though he states he is divorced. How could they get divorced so quickly if they only married in 1968? Why leave on the same flight as the wife you are divorced from? IMO WW states this as he intends to get rid of the WW name while he is in Europe as WW has a criminal record attached to it which will deny him of re-entry and come back in another name. IMO he faked the first Marriage Certificate to Ilona to get Australian residency then once they got to Europe, maybe Ilona insisted they get married as they were now parents and before they did, he pretended he lost his passport and got another one in the name of Michael J Reid - a name which would be more acceptable in Australia.
More convictions in Belgium and France, for fraud, attempted fraud, breach of trust, impersonation. Various short prison sentences in France, the longest 4 years, most to be served concurrently.
1970 Ilona married in Budapest Hungary to MJR (Reid?)
How could Ilona who has a newborn baby meet and marry someone with an English sounding name the same year that she arrived in Europe to stay with her parents because there was not enough time to get a divorce? IMO WW changed his name to Michael J Reid when he married Ilona in 1970 overseas so that Australian govt would not know when he returned.
1971 Ilona first child born (daughter ER) should be Jan 1970
This is incorrect. Daughter was born in 1970. I have corrected this since as Casselden brought this up at inquest.
RB goes to prison 1971 in France as WW.
1971-6-23 WW.Arrested Rouen, Discharged 21/5/1974
1971-12-09 Willy Wouters Rouen France, sentenced to 4 years prison for fraud, forgery, confidence tricks, giving false identity
1972-01-11 WW sentenced to one month for unsecured cheques in absentia in France.
1972-11-16 Willy Wouters Lille France, 1 years prison (concurrent with previous sentence)
1973-01-23 Willy Waitress Fraud 1 years prison (concurrent with previous sentences)
I think there is enough time here for Michal J Reid (WW) and Ilona to conceive their second child?
1973 Ilona second child born (son C Reid) - exact date of his birth is unknown
1974-01 Willy Wouters App Dousai "checks without cover" 1 years prison
1974-05-21 Willy Wouters discharged from prison. He may have then joined Ilona again in Belgium after leaving prison but where he was, is unaccounted for.
I predict that Ilona has been living with her parents in Belgium (not Hungary) while WW has been in prison. Not sure if she ever knew he went to prison. Maybe he concocted a story or that led to their separation as she returned to Australia alone with her two children and went to live in Melbourne. No record to say he and Ilona ever divorced and she died of a heart attack (not in a car crash as RB claimed) in Melbourne.
Between 1974 and 1975 IMO, Willy Wouters
using a passport in the name of Michael J Reid must have returned to Australia but no records can be found say immigration dept
(this file is not public) as they were unable to link the name WW to Michael J Reid IMO.
Did MJR enter Australia again on his WW Australian passport changed to the name of MJReid so he could enter easily as he had Australian residency on that attached or did MJR get a fake Belgian passport in the name of M J Reid in which case, he would have entered on a Holiday Visa for three months? If he arrived on a Holiday visa, he could not officially work so IMO he could have worked for cash in 1975 at the cafe owned by DdH parents as DdH said he worked for her parents there. IMO this is where they first met.He also lived with her parents at Vaucluse. Did he overstay his Holiday visa or had he used a faked Australian passport and arrived earlier in 1974?
If RB did not get a divorce from Ilona, he could have been married to Ilona and DdH at the same time for one year and thought he could get away with it by changing names. RB married DdH in 1976. Ilona died in 1977-07-13. Bigamy? Or were none of Ilona and RB's marriages registered officially? Perhaps the one in Belgium was to Michael J Reid.
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1977 We know they (he & DdeH) are listed in census docs living in 1/303 Old South West Road, Bondi and he has listed himself as an artist and D as a secretary. (Note D name is spelt here with 1 'N')
He told her he was a Wedding Photographer
and then in
1980 Are listed in living in Military Road, he's listed as a photographer and DdeH is listed as hd = (is this the abbreviation for hand?)
Home Duties
My question and mind keep circling around: How & when did he meet DdeH?! How does she fit in?
I think he really also could be MJ Reid.[/QUOTE]
12 Feb 1976 – WW changes name to FDdH
IMO This is because his M J Reid name is a fake, he has not been divorced from Ilona and WW has a criminal record so he claims he lost his passport.
20 Feb 1976 – FDdH marries DW
23 Feb 1976 – FDdH applies for Aus citizenship
25 Mar 1976 – FDdH Aus citizenship granted and AU passport issued
28 July 1976 – FDdH and DdH depart Aus. DdH claims in the next few years they lived in Belgium,
3 years in Luxembourg, a few months in Bordeaux, France, back to Belgium, UK for 3 years then Aus
1977 We know they (he & DdeH) are listed in census docs living in 1/303 Old South West Road, Bondi and he has listed himself as an artist and D as a secretary. (Note D name is spelt here with 1 'N')
He told her he was a Wedding Photographer
Oct 76 - Feb 77 – FDdH arrested in Luxembourg as Roger Lauzoney from Morocco born 1945
1977-07-13 Ilona died, age 31yo, St Kilda, Victoria of Myocardial ischaemia (heart), The Coroner at Melbourne Mr H.W. Pascoe ordered burial of the body without inquest. What happened to her two children? Was WW/MJR the father?
13 Aug 1978 – FDdH and DdH return to Aus
2 Apr 1979 – FDdH DdH son born in Sydney
1980 Are listed in living in Military Road, he's listed as a photographer and DdeH is listed as hd = (is this the abbreviation for hand?)
Home Duties
6 Feb 1980 – FDdH departs Aus
23 Apr 1980 – DdH and son depart Aus
21 Jan 1980 – DdH and son return to Aus
2 Apr 1981 – FDdH issued Aus passport issued Germany
17 Apr 1981 – FDdH DW daughter born in Luxembourg
18 Nov 1981 – FDdH returns to Aus
4 Dec 1981 – FDdH departs Aus, no apparent re-entry into Aus for 6 years
